JustAnotherBeachNoob Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Nerfing/redoing Alpha Predators? Before you all tell be to “get gud” or whatever, here me out. I understand that alpha predators are great for high level players to farm for xp and prime, but they can be a pain for low level players. I feel like they either need a nerf to their speed (to allow players without insane movement speed to kite them away from their base) or have their spawn locations fixed (look at the locations that alpha raptors can spawn). What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanicCracker Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Alphas are pretty easy to kill even for low levels. I would suggest looking up videos on how to do so because you can go from 1-70 in a hour just killing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldster Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 At lower levels an alpha is little different from a saber pack, allo, or troodons at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampeh Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I love alphas personally and wish they'd add more types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerg1988 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 As a low level player alpha raptors are an excellent resource and easily killable by taming a pack of dimorphs or other early game tames. Its not a get good* thing its a learn the flow of the game. Different alphas have different difficulty, huge difference between an alpha raptor - rex or alpha shark to mosa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowgirl Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I just wish they had never nerdfed the XP drop. They used to be worth the kill, now, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerg1988 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cowgirl said: I just wish they had never nerdfed the XP drop. They used to be worth the kill, now, not so much. I think they are still worth it until a point, at later level id stick to killing titanosaurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMP Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Even an hour-old player can stand on a rock and safely dispatch an alpha raptor with spears/arrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipinghot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 hours ago, JustAnotherBeachNoob said: Before you all tell be to “get gud” or whatever, here me out. It's not so much a matter of "get gud", it's more a matter of learning the game. Yes, alpha raptors are a big pain in the neck at first, they are also part of the process of learning to be alert at all times while playing ARK. This game is supposed to be dangerous compared to other games, you're supposed to be concerned, alert and maybe a little nervous every time you go out. There's a reason characters in this game are called "Survivors", you have to learn what is needed in order for you to survive the various threats in the game. It would be nice if there was an area on each map that didn't have any alpha raptors, but if they did that then there would be lots of people permanently building in those areas, and then new characters would have to start somwhere else. The best thing you can do is learn how plan and prepare for alpha attacks as part of your regular game play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodking194 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 i would just make a spike walls around my base, while having stone watch towers in the corners, if i saw am]n alpha i would bow shoot them. remember you can bola the raptors, carnos and rexes are rare for me. raptors are my problem. once i get a rifle or some kind of firearm i always go alpha hunting. i do think they need an update, but to make more of them and make them cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowgirl Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Zerg1988 said: I think they are still worth it until a point, at later level id stick to killing titanosaurs. That works for only a few dinos though. Like you wouldnt have a good time trying to kill a titan with an owl, or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerg1988 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 52 minutes ago, Cowgirl said: That works for only a few dinos though. Like you wouldnt have a good time trying to kill a titan with an owl, or something like that. if your leveled to that point you should probably have the dinos needed for the task at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemcrystal Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Every new player complains about the alphas. My first posts were being angry about them. But ark is about finding the counter action to every action. It's how the game is played. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymas Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Tame a decent level trike, never worry about alpha raptors again. You can time the trike's attack to continually knock the raptor back, killing it without ever getting hit yourself unless you run out of stamina. Honestly I've killed an alpha carno with the trashiest trash argent ever tamed, all you have to do is get in front of it and use the air brakes to keep yourself from moving, the talons knock the carno back just enough that it can't really hit you, and even if it does just fly off and kill something, regen, make another pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenTheReaper Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Nearly every alpha can be extremely easy to dispatch without super tames. Raptor: Get a trike. Sit uphill from it and aggro it. Continuously knock it down the incline/hill and watch as it never damages you. Carno: Get an argent and sit on the fine line just above its aggro height where you can still hit it and beat it to death Rex: Same as Carno. Shark: Ok, this one is kinda just a stats game unless you can lure it into shallow waters where it can't hit you near the shore. Used to be able to kill any alpha shark with any ichthy, running circles around it and kiting but now most of your hits hit but do no damage and you need a bit better speed. Probably still possible with enough patience and maybe a crossbow on an ichthy. Mosa: Sit just above max aggro depth and it won't attack you. If you're careful you can drive it into a corner and get it stuck. Squid: Same Deathworm: Oil jars and an argent sitting just above its attack range Wyvern: Trap and bows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mausery Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Thanks for the tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAnotherBeachNoob Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 One of things that annoys me is when an alpha raptor aggros on to you when I am on a pteradon way in the air far from my base. I don’t want to take risks with what rocks the raptor can climb on. The other bad thing is that they can smash down stone structures. I have found that raptors can sometimes see through walls. I have had normal raptors Afro onto me through stone walls. One time I was sitting in my metal 1 by 1 with stone walls around it, and the alpha raptor just started smashing down my stone walls. Thanks for all the tips so far though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymas Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Build your perimeter walls out further, if they're surrounding your immediate base then yes it is easy for them to still aggro. If an alpha aggros you while you're on a bird, just fly away from it? They tend to lose aggro quite fast, just lead it over to a para or something and as long as it can't reach you it should start eating the para instead. Or fly out of render to guarantee losing aggro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engerland Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I for one wish they would add more types of alphas SE needs more then just the alpha wyverns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1nk Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, Engerland said: I for one wish they would add more types of alphas SE needs more then just the alpha wyverns. It also has Alpha Deathworms, raptors, carno and rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowgirl Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Zerg1988 said: if your leveled to that point you should probably have the dinos needed for the task at hand. I am referring to purely for XP, for leveling dinos. Alphas used to be worth it but now they aren't really. I spent about 45 minutes once killing a 135 alpha rex after they nerfed the XP you get from it, my Q didn't even get a level, or if she did it was just one. You used to get more xp killing one on a 1x day than you do these days on 2x, they nerfed the gain too hard IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldster Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Kodking194 said: i would just make a spike walls around my base, while having stone watch towers in the corners, if i saw am]n alpha i would bow shoot them. remember you can bola the raptors, carnos and rexes are rare for me. raptors are my problem. once i get a rifle or some kind of firearm i always go alpha hunting. i do think they need an update, but to make more of them and make them cooler. Alpha Raptors are immune to bolas. It would be too easy xp for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipinghot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 13 hours ago, JustAnotherBeachNoob said: One of things that annoys me is when an alpha raptor aggros on to you when I am on a pteradon way in the air far from my base. I don’t want to take risks with what rocks the raptor can climb on. The other bad thing is that they can smash down stone structures. I have found that raptors can sometimes see through walls. I have had normal raptors Afro onto me through stone walls. One time I was sitting in my metal 1 by 1 with stone walls around it, and the alpha raptor just started smashing down my stone walls. Thanks for all the tips so far though. Yeah, agreed, they're very scary at first, so let's talk about how to get past that point. A big part of ark is learning how to build your base so that it's safe from wild animals (and not just alpha raptors, there are bigger threats coming eventually). * In addition to your building(s), make sure you have a fence/walls that are at least a few tiles away from your building as a buffer zone. You want walls that are at least 4 tiles high (the height of a dino gate) if you are on flat, level ground, or maybe even 5/6 tiles high if your base is on uneven ground. An alternative this method is to build your perimeter out of pillars, this can give you protection from anything big wandering in, gives you good visibility all around your base to see what's out there, and allows you to put Plant-X inside your courtyard that can still fire through your pillars to stuff that's outside. Just be warned, building a pillar perimeter takes more thought, it's easy to place pillars poorly and allow wild animals to wander into your protected zone. Also, spike walls are your friend, and they're cheap. You can put multiple layers/rows of spike walls on the ground around your perimeter and you'll almost never have to worry about anything getting to you. * You can kill anything with a pteranodon, if you're patient enough. As long as you can tame a ptera of at least Lvl 50, you can kill alphas raptors and alpha carnos. Technically you could probably also kill an alpha rex but it wouldn't be worth the time. You should practice by killing things that are not much of a threat. Dive at them using the spinning attack, make sure you watch your stamina and go recover as often as you need to, rinse, repeat. It can take as much as 30 minutes to kill a Lvl 50-75 alpha raptor, but as long as you make sure that you have a safe place to perch and regain stamina it can be done. This is an important and under-rated skill in the current "meta game". Lots of people think that ptera's are trash and only good for scouting, but if you have a new'ish character on a new server you can accomplish a lot by learning how to be a skilled pteranodon pilot. * Any carnivore (including alpha's) can be lured into the ocean by carrying a prey animal in your claws. Go pick up a dodo, fly around he alpha until they notice you, then maintain an altitude slightly above their head and fly slowly towards the ocean (if you have a low/medium level ptera be careful not to use speed boost, you really need to save your stamina). They might get distracted and run away from you if something shows up that they like to attack, but be patient. After they kill the other stuff they'll come back to you. Gradually lead them out to the ocean until they start swimming, look how far you are from the shoreline and then keep flying out until you're twice that distance from shore. Then angle up about 45 degrees and climb until you see the predator stops looking at you. Drop you dodo (which may lure it even further out) and fly back to shore. This will almost always cause the predator to just sit in the ocean until it drowns. Land animals are either swimming or drowning, they don't tread water, so if they're not following/fighting something they will end up drowning. I used to play on the Ragnarok map, in the Highlands area which was a giga spawn point, when I first started I used pteranodons to lure giga's out into the ocean 2-3 times per week. Once you practice the skill it becomes pretty easy. * This gets even easier once you have an argy. They have so much stamina that you can easily lure anything out to sea and you should never have any fear of running out of stamina during the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodking194 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 really, i swear at one point they were able to be bola. might have been a while ago. i do remember when they first came out we bola them and kill the for XP, might be because to many people were killing them, anyway they need a few cool new abilities. like maybe they can call their own kind to fight for them. that would be cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudplayerx Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 9:50 PM, FizzyArchAngel said: On 6/16/2019 at 9:45 PM, SMP said: Even an hour-old player can stand on a rock and safely dispatch an alpha raptor with spears/arrows. Sure, if it's a low level one and he/she has about 500 arrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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