Wipe Official Servers

[NoOneBtw]

After almost 2 years of constant breeding, every larger group now has incredibly mutated dinos that are nowhere close to what the game was originally balanced around. This means that dinos like Rhinos or Therizinosaurs deal much more damage and are much harder to kill than they were 1.5 years ago when the game released. Politically, the game is currently very stale, with alliances constant, no big conflicts and many people leaving the main cluster for others clusters or other games for a fresher and more exciting experience. A wipe would easily reset breeding back to its original state and bring these dinos back down to what they were originally, and bring back many players that have left over the last year.

 

edit: im talking (mostly) about the Official PvP network, non-legacy, main cluster)

Edited April 23, 2019 by NoOneBtw
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[JSpenceGlass]

I have to leave ark after every new large update.  The kibble rework, the structures, any new maps.

Why do I do this? Because I expect console crashing bugs.  But after enough time passes where I feel like you took the major bugs, I return to the game and have to relearn it.

I would come back into the game with server wipes. . . There's simply nowhere good to build a base in extinction or scorched earth servers (with water access.)

It would be nice to see 1 of each map wiped once a month.  I think that would keep it running.

[BigChungus]

Personally I think small tribes needs to wipe the map but keep characters since to even have a chance to win pvp  is if u both have mutated tames and people without them have to just hide and can’t win or do anything

[Aylana314159]

Sounds like you needs some friends and breeding projects.

[LaugherOutLoud]

So I've seen a lot of activity around this topic and I thought I would post my opinion cause why not. I'm going to break this down into three parts. Reasons for a wipe, What to do before a wipe, and what this should achieve. 

REASONS FOR A WIPE:

Many people are agreeing that the Official servers have become stale and are pretty much just a playground for tribes in the big alliances. Dino breeds have become suuper strong - good job breeders - but have gotten so strong that they remove competitiveness for smaller tribes. most servers are either getting griefed every day or have huge tribes built on them with heaps of spam. I am making these comments as someone who has played in mega tribes, started in a smaller tribe recently and am currently playing in a alpha tribe in one of the alliances. Also grand scale PvP is pretty horrible abused by DDoS attacks and server capping.

the official cluster also has some pretty major points of inequality between new and old tribes. things such as the new kibble system where older tribes benefit from A) still having working old kibble that is much easier to make then new kibble and B) having already got a lot of tames such as griffins and rock eles with the easier kibble system for them

 

NOTE: I believe this should only effect PvP, I do not play on PvE servers and can not speak for them.

WHAT TO DO BEFORE A WIPE:

It is important that things change before a wipe is even considered otherwise everything just goes back to where it was before.
1) limit Tribe size to 20 player tribes
2) Rework alliances to not be two ways and instead be given to individual players who have normal alliance perks within the tribe.
3) make tribes exist across all servers. example: if I was in tribe X on server 1 and then joined server 2 I would still be in tribe X with all the same people.
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4) rework the necessity for foundation spamming. foundation spamming is a pretty fundamental and defining part of ark pvp. it contributes to the unique war scenarios where you see tribes pushing against each other to gain ground. It is important to keep this fun PvP style alive but remove the server lagging foundie spam that creates it. I suggest introducing an item that has a lot of hitpoints and locks enemies out from building in the area around it, this area should be 5X the size of a single foundation. 
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5) cap out a dinosaurs mutations at 20. currently there are ways to endlessly mutate dinos. 
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6) reduce the cost of crafting ARBs.
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7) hard cap the player speed at 150%. 
im sure there are more changes that could help make ark more fun post a wipe.
 

WHAT THIS SHOULD ACHIEVE:

1, 2, 3) These changes will shrink the sizes of tribes and a tribes effective player count when PvPing. this should almost entirely wipe the competitiveness of mega tribes and would also cap the extreme growth rate that you see some of the tribes achieving. This should hopefully also stop the Slot capping meta and without that hopefully also reduce the need for DDoS attacks. 
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4) this should clear up lag on servers whilst also retaining the fun style of PvP that foundation Spam produced. I would think that the item that protected an area would also have the ability to be powered to further increase its hitpoints. 
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5) this would be a soft cap on the dino stat growth rate. it would still be possible to have competitive stats as you can find wild dinos with better base stats but it would also stop any dinos from becoming too strong. 100Khp paracers come on.
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6) this should hopefully counter offline raids a bit more, offlining will always be meta as it is the easiest way to wipe a base.
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7) this shoud just make true PvP without dinos a little more interesting, we really don't need little women with underbites running around faster then any dino in the game. 

Edited May 6, 2019 by LaugherOutLoud

[Jacira]

All your reasons for a wipe are exactly the reasons it will never happen.

Do you think all the players who have devoted all this time and effort to getting all that stuff you listed above would see this as a positive thing? Moreover, do you think they'd continue playing if all their hard-earned work was just wiped clean because people who came to the game later couldn't compete?

Wont happen, and if it did it would be a momentous mistake from Wild Card.

[LaugherOutLoud]

5 minutes ago, Jacira said:

Do you think all the players who have devoted all this time and effort to getting all that stuff you listed above would see this as a positive thing? Moreover, do you think they'd continue playing if all their hard-earned work was just wiped clean because people who came to the game later couldn't compete?

I've been playing the official servers since it was released and before that played on what is now legacy. Ive had a pretty rounded experience of the game and am currently enjoying it but the way I see it is official servers are ruled, run and ruined by alpha / mega tribes. even if your tribe (like ours does) lets smaller tribes build up they just get taken out by a tribe from another server. the truth of the whole situation is that official servers are losing its player base. without a successful game and strong player base these servers wont be supported anyway. 
so whilst I am enjoying my time breeding and making good lines of Manas and such I also recognise that if a wipe doesn't happen at some point or the game doesn't go through some pretty major meta changes there wont be official servers for me to enjoy my tames on.

also a lot of the stuff about it being a mistake and killing the game was also said the first time around.  yet it didn't it reinvigorated the game.

Edited May 6, 2019 by LaugherOutLoud

[Jacira]

2 minutes ago, LaugherOutLoud said:

I've been playing the official servers since it was released and before that played on what is now legacy. Ive had a pretty rounded experience of the game and am currently enjoying it but the way I see it is official servers are ruled, run and ruined by alpha / mega tribes. even if your tribe (like ours does) lets smaller tribes build up they just get taken out by a tribe from another server. the truth of the whole situation is that official servers are losing its player base. without a successful game and strong player base these servers wont be supported anyway. 
so whilst I am enjoying my time breeding and making good lines of Manas and such I also recognise that if a wipe doesn't happen at some point or the game doesn't go through some pretty major meta changes there wont be official servers for me to enjoy my tames on.

That is the nature of Ark PvP unfortunately, and the amount of people they would piss off by wiping the servers just to "stem the tide" is not even worth thinking about the idea.

In my opinion, the best way to play Ark PvP is on unofficial anyway.

[Aylana314159]

WC could release some servers with breeding turned off. Not sure how popular they would be, breeding is one of Ark unique gameplay mechanics.

[LaugherOutLoud]

Just now, Aylana314159 said:

WC could release some servers with breeding turned off. Not sure how popular they would be, breeding is one of Ark unique gameplay mechanics.

breeding is a really cool part of the game I just think they need to keep it good and worth while but also limit the endless nature of it. it should be capped

[Aylana314159]

Just now, LaugherOutLoud said:

breeding is a really cool part of the game I just think they need to keep it good and worth while but also limit the endless nature of it. it should be capped

Then maybe a no mutations set of servers.

[LaugherOutLoud]

idk its too small a change to be worth giving a new server type and too big a change for people to want to play imo.

[dodogal]

turning off breeding in conquest servers would be a great idea (if not done already)

and asking for plain wipe of all servers just makes you sound like some loser who got wiped and wants revenge through some obscure political schemes on the forum, so stop it, it won't happen

if the servers are not fun anymore let them get bored of the game routine till their dinos starve to death, on my server there were spammers from asgard tribe asking us to join their server, and we all know why, they're looking for slaves to feed their dinos, just let them get sick of it

Edited May 6, 2019 by dodogal

[Aylana314159]

3 minutes ago, LaugherOutLoud said:

idk its too small a change to be worth giving a new server type and too big a change for people to want to play imo.

The devs have already stated their stance in wipes. No wipes.

[Maxiluke]

Pls dont delete servers?

[Jacira]

On 4/24/2019 at 7:20 AM, NoOneBtw said:

After almost 2 years of constant breeding, every larger group now has incredibly mutated dinos that are nowhere close to what the game was originally balanced around. This means that dinos like Rhinos or Therizinosaurs deal much more damage and are much harder to kill than they were 1.5 years ago when the game released. Politically, the game is currently very stale, with alliances constant, no big conflicts and many people leaving the main cluster for others clusters or other games for a fresher and more exciting experience. A wipe would easily reset breeding back to its original state and bring these dinos back down to what they were originally, and bring back many players that have left over the last year.

 

edit: im talking (mostly) about the Official PvP network, non-legacy, main cluster)

The game is balanced around whatever the game allows people to do. breeding up OP dinos is apart of that.

All I hear in this thread is people crying because they get pooped on when trying to build up in PvP. Well hello? Have you ever really played Ark PvP if you didn't understand that was going to happen in the first place? And this issue is not isolated to new players remember, even alpha tribes get wiped by another alpha eventually, such is the nature of chaos.

All that will happen if Wild Card wipe is that they will lose half of the player base they currently have now with people not wanting to start over, and then the very same people crying for a wipe in this thread will quit too, once the people playing now (that do stick it out) breed up their OP dinos again.

This is just a stupid discussion.

Play unofficial, it requires less devotion and has more frequent PvP opportunities if you find a popular one.

[mudplayerx]

On 5/1/2019 at 11:01 AM, Quilleute said:

The only ones , that want a wipe its the damn kids that always are winning about something , instead of playing the game. I play the game for 3 years and dont have any problem with my evolution and i still have much to work for

. Just because , you are too lazy to work for your stuff and want everything for yesterday , i dont have to be punished by all that posture of yours.

My server is constantly with 20+ people on, and everyday new players start on my server, 1 out of 10 succed and keep playing, cause all the others only know beg and ask for stuff, and we dont support that kind of attitude .

Yeah, those "damn kids winning"

[Gizmo7777]

On 5/2/2019 at 1:56 AM, Quilleute said:

wanna reaaaally bet ?

Do you really think people don’t want a wipe after nearly 2 years?? Your delusional 

[Arlie87]

I'm sure smalltribes servers are/will be dying. Normal official servers have been dead for a long time thanks to megatribes. The biggest issue at the moment is that any server you see maybe has 35/70 people online, but once you join you wont find any bases. You know why? Because everyone has mesh bases everywhere. There are actual mesh wars going on where people are trying to find the mesh bases of the people who meshed their mesh base. That is how the game is right now. 

We need official server wipes AFTER meshing is fixed to get everyone out of the damn walls, so the game can be played as it was intended OR we need new servers like Classic PvP. I'm confident that ALOT of people will come back to play. I know at least 10 people in my list alone who would be back to play and i'm only 1 person. 

[Aylana314159]

The problem is that meshing will likely be an ongoing problem. It will probably never reach 100% fixed.

[ThePryBar]

Just NO, why should we loose all our hard work on small tribes? Why should the current PvP community be wiped, this is a horrible idea that will kill the game. 

 

Maybe you should learn to read the community crunch, the developers have already stated that wipes will not be happening on any of the official clusters. 

 

@Arlie87

[bannedbybirth]

Everyone that wants a wipe, start you a new character and start over, simple solution for you.  If the people you complain about are better than you, guess what? they still will be.  They will just be "inconvenienced" for a bit with a wipe.  They will still own you and you will still fail.  WE/THEY/YOU - ALL started at the bottom and will rise according to effort/skill levels.   Everyone at the top isn't at the top because they started on a "fresh server".  And for the "whaaa, it's boring at the top", "the game is stale" crybags - throw your tames in the ocean and start over, if that's what you choose for YOURSELF.  

[Kazul]

Wiping years of work? Sound stupid as hell. There's ARKpocalypse servers that wipe every month. Just play one of those.

[Arlie87]

Honestly it has NOTHING to do with the strong tames or how big the tribes are that you're facing as a new player, it's ark... get good. THE ONLY DAMN PROBLEM are the mesh bases. They are still all there and their are enough of them. I've found several on ps4 just on 1 server myself and just watch the youtubers... they also keep finding them.

Now let's say meshing is fixed - like no more ways to get behind walls. Those bases will still be there with all their OP stuff. Now you come as a new player and get built up and they just wipe you and there is nothing you can do about it because meshing is fixed right? We need a way to get them out of the walls and back into the normal map. The only way I see that being possible is to wipe the servers. Sure... It sucks. I'd also have alot to lose like most other people, but we need to do something about these "empty" servers. (Not really empty everyone is just in a DAMN wall) 

They can take all your loot back to their base too via teleporter or even just dropping a lootbag outside the Wall, spawning at a bed and taking it from inside the mesh. You can even popcorn it all outside and whip it from the inside. Getting tames in is simple now thanks to cryopods. You can cryopod a dino from inside too. 

What other options do we really have to get it back to the way it was before meshing?? I'd like to hear from you.

Edited May 15, 2019 by Arlie87

[TR4C3RPS4]

I agree that servers should Servers should be wiped because the game is getting really stale 

[David164]

I agree ark official servers need a wipe