SmokeyB Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 So since that big ant eater thing came out I find that Dire bears don't get much use anymore. The anteater is better for a berry and fibre run, it even gets mad thatch and chitin too while your out without even trying. That was the bears main use The anteater has better weight than the bear so is a better transport Dino too, it's even small enough to use in your Base and fits through a small Dino gate. Easier tame than the bear, they have slower torpor more health and are way more common to find. Better cave runner than the bear, they are similar size so the anteater fits most caves the bear does and with the bug buff and extra health it is far more deadly in a cave. Plus the anteater has other uses like killing death worms and fighting brood mother and collecting chitin. Plus it's a beast on scorched as most things are bugs, it collects mad organic poly. The anteater is not op, it sort of fits it's role well, it's just I love bears and no one wants to bother with them anymore, better to breed anteaters now. Buff the bear, give it a unique role again and make it a vital tame like it was before. Maybe give it a special ability or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraken Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Bear gives insulation, and can sprint for miles very quickly using very little stamina, also has a much better turning circle than sloths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palenor Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 50 minutes ago, Kraken said: Bear gives insulation, and can sprint for miles very quickly using very little stamina, also has a much better turning circle than sloths. DItto that, and MOST importantly Dire Bears are much more of a damage dealer against NON-bugs, which is pretty much everything outside of caves and SE. Heck, they even out damage T-Rexes. On Legacy I have a pair of bears that kill Gigas easily, can a pair of sloths do that? Doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Palenor said: DItto that, and MOST importantly Dire Bears are much more of a damage dealer against NON-bugs, which is pretty much everything outside of caves and SE. Heck, they even out damage T-Rexes. On Legacy I have a pair of bears that kill Gigas easily, can a pair of sloths do that? Doubt it. Mate boosted imprinted sloths with asc saddles and a bug boost will kill anything a bear can just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDash Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Sloths are like twice the size of bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipinghot Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, SmokeyB said: Mate boosted imprinted sloths with asc saddles and a bug boost will kill anything a bear can just the same. Are you comparing that to "mate boosted, imprinted bears with asc saddles and a bug boost", or are you just comparing to "I have a bear"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 Just now, Pipinghot said: Are you comparing that to "mate boosted, imprinted bears with asc saddles and a bug boost", or are you just comparing to "I have a bear"? Well he did say a pair of bears so I guessed mate boosted, and they are not going to kill a giga without imprint and asc saddle so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifina Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I still run around on my bears best way to land travel between bases their stamina keeps going and going and going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChargingParacerParacer Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Wildcard is really good at giving new content an old gimmick & making old content irrelevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowgirl Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 The sloth is pretty weak when it doesn't have a bug boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthaNyan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 47 minutes ago, Cowgirl said: The sloth is pretty weak when it doesn't have a bug boost. Sloth without bug boost is about as strong as bear per hit, just a little bit slower attacks, but sloth's rightclick attack has better AoE. As a combat mount Sloth is better - it is counted as Large animal and pretty much ignored by everything smaller than rexes. Bear's only redeeming factor is speed if only sprint didnt reset on each and every bump. Also i wish for bears' sprint to be affected by improvements to speed stat (currently it is not). Oh and baby bears are the cutest things ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomiDarko Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Ever been attacked from behind while riding a Dire Bear? Well... good luck if you're in the forest or a tight place. I abandoned bears after several Terrorbirds and Direwolves stuck in my bear's butt and I wasn't able to hit them or turn around until I went off the bear and let the AI do the job. Megatherium by fare has a better AoE, especially with right-click. The only thing the Direbear is better is faster attacks, as far as I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaypak Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Bears still rock and look way better than that lazy slouched looking wombat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palenor Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 12 hours ago, SmokeyB said: Mate boosted imprinted sloths with asc saddles and a bug boost will kill anything a bear can just the same. OK, sure they can, just good luck in stopping the Giga/TItan from killing the bug you have following you around. Might last one or two attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorjesus666 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 15 hours ago, Palenor said: DItto that, and MOST importantly Dire Bears are much more of a damage dealer against NON-bugs, which is pretty much everything outside of caves and SE. Heck, they even out damage T-Rexes. On Legacy I have a pair of bears that kill Gigas easily, can a pair of sloths do that? Doubt it. lol a pair of bears that can kill gigas easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palenor Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 6 hours ago, DarthaNyan said: Sloth without bug boost is about as strong as bear per hit, just a little bit slower attacks, but sloth's rightclick attack has better AoE. From the Wiki under "Damage" Base Damage for each: Megatherium 32 Since the WIKI does not show the Left Trigger Attack - which is called SLAM and is Base Damage of 49 That second number is the Dire Bear Left Trigger attack/Swipe in place. Direbear 50 65 See that difference? Not even close. And when you figure in the time for attack swing, DIRE bear is over Double the Sloth. Now check this next one out Rex 62 Now, who does more damage? For more information concerning damage, see the following: https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/forums/topic/228285-the-definitive-dino-dps-guide/&do=findComment&comment=1327638 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorjesus666 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, Palenor said: From the Wiki under "Damage" Base Damage for each: Megatherium 32 Since the WIKI does not show the Left Trigger Attack - which is called SLAM and is Base Damage of 49 That second number is the Dire Bear Left Trigger attack/Swipe in place. Direbear 50 65 See that difference? Not even close. And when you figure in the time for attack swing, DIRE bear is over Double the Sloth. Now check this next one out Rex 62 Now, who does more damage? the theri, who is a better fiber and bery collector then both sloth and bear it gathers better meat then both rex and giga has better damage then rex, bear and sloth has more health then sloth and bear can gather wood, fiber, meat, berries, organic polymer and all the hides theri also best mutton gatherer need more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthaNyan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, raptorjesus666 said: need more? theri cannot be healed with meat. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorjesus666 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just now, DarthaNyan said: theri cannot be healed with meat. Nuff said. if you have to be healed, then you are using a bad dino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palenor Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, raptorjesus666 said: has better damage then rex, bear and sloth 1 Not exactly true. See the following. https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/forums/topic/228285-the-definitive-dino-dps-guide/&do=findComment&comment=1327638 Lots of people mistake Base Damage numbers mean better DPS, not always true. It all depends on time for each hit Or (RPS) Repetitions per Second for the attack. NAME RPS DPH DPS Direbear- Secondary Attack 1.2 65.0 78.0 Rex - Primary 1.2 62.0 74.4 Therizinosaurus - Both Primary/Sec 1.2 52.0 62.4 Megatherium - Secondary Attack 0.8 49.0 39.2 Megatherium - Primary Attack 1.2 32.0 38.4 Dire bear is the CLEAR winner of DPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorjesus666 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just now, Palenor said: Not exactly true. See the following. https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/forums/topic/228285-the-definitive-dino-dps-guide/&do=findComment&comment=1327638 Lots of people mistake Base Damage numbers mean better DPS, not always true. It all depends on time for each hit Or (RPS) Repetitions per Second for the attack. NAME RPS DPH DPS Direbear- Secondary Attack 1.2 65.0 78.0 Rex - Primary 1.2 62.0 74.4 Therizinosaurus - Both Primary/Sec 1.2 52.0 62.4 Megatherium - Secondary Attack 0.8 49.0 39.2 Megatherium - Primary Attack 1.2 32.0 38.4 Dire bear is the CLEAR winner of DPS you forget one tiny IMPORTANT factor using the "swipe" makes the direbear immobile being immobile is a major disadvantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorjesus666 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 not to forget, a megalosaurus during night time outdps a direbear by a mile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDarKStaRx616 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Time to breed some BOSS BEARS at least they'd take up less room at the base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palenor Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just now, raptorjesus666 said: not to forget, a megalosaurus during night time outdps a direbear by a mile True, but only for like 20 game minutes per day. All of these other special bonuses for Megalosaurus and Megatherium are situational at best. As far a the swipe attack, it can be a slight issue, until you get used to it, then it is no problem at all, just takes a little practice. Point is Direbear is King of DPS for ridable land dinos, that are usable everyday/all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palenor Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, xDarKStaRx616 said: Time to breed some BOSS BEARS at least they'd take up less room at the base We are working on just that, 19 Direbears for Monkey. Not that we need to, we are killing Medium Monkey easy enough with Rexes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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