Liljagare Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 The process right now is: • Create a new steam account for your server • Buy a second copy of the game on that account (the 1st copy is the one you want to play on) The future: • Create a new steam account for every single map expansion they release for ASA • For each of these accounts, buy a copy of ASA So based on their current design, ultimately we are looking at 12 additional steam accounts and 13 total purchases of the game (your main steam account + 12 servers) The Island, Scorched Earth, Aberration, Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, The Center, Ragnarok, Valguero, Crystal Isles, Lost Island, Fjordur OR Pay Nitrado an OUTRAGEOUS amount of money per server because they have a global monopoly on commercial server hosting. This is just... wierd? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyBear Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, darkradeon said: they don't care they need to honor the nitrado deal to not leat the publisher to fail. this is not about bugs or performance, this is about a business choice. It seems more like a boa constrictor around the neck of this game franchise. I can't see this ending well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkfields Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Would be good to get some information on how to run the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkradeon Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, GrumpyBear said: It seems more like a boa constrictor around the neck of this game franchise. I can't see this ending well. than let's help the boa to suffocate from his greedy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liljagare Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, GrumpyBear said: It seems more like a boa constrictor around the neck of this game franchise. I can't see this ending well. It's a business model I guess, but, noway anything good is coming out of this, unless they are willing to keep forking over tons of money to streamers, but that will kill the profit anyway. Not having high hopes on Ark 2 anymore, nor the continued existance of the franchise. There is wanting to make money, and then there is just pure stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arambourgiania Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Kaprosuchus said: does non dedicated still do the tethering thing? That's what I haven't had the opportunity to test yet but in theory A:SA's localized rendering feature should help with the tethering issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnethicalOctopus Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Maelmir said: The ram requirements alone are ridiculous to run a single server, is this really just an Unreal 5 engine problem or is it a Wildcard problem? Lmao the steam reviews are referring to AsA as a powerpoint slideshow right now Edited October 26, 2023 by UnethicalOctopus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkHeavy Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Petition: Stop hosting exclusivity for ARK: Survival Ascended Unofficial server hosting will not be possible! Either server teams are not allowed to host servers, or they are forbidden to make money with the server license. As a result, servers can no longer be paid for, and server teams will work hours to end up financing the servers themselves. We have to stop this, sign the petition now.https://www.change.org/p/stop-hosting-exclusivity-for-ark-survival-ascended 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkradeon Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ArkHeavy said: Petition: Stop hosting exclusivity for ARK: Survival Ascended Unofficial server hosting will not be possible! Either server teams are not allowed to host servers, or they are forbidden to make money with the server license. As a result, servers can no longer be paid for, and server teams will work hours to end up financing the servers themselves. We have to stop this, sign the petition now.https://www.change.org/p/stop-hosting-exclusivity-for-ark-survival-ascended it's not about financial status. you can, in fact, ask for tips, using esclusive join AND ask money to cover server hosting. it's in eula. we cannot however running more than 1 server per machine and per account. and this also doesn't allow admins to tests stuffs quickly without having 2 machines and 2 licenses in 2 different steam accounts. another bad point is asa server api is forbidden, which means less tools for admin, less deep integration of mods on server side. beside an unofficial cluster we are running, I also used to play with a friend a small server as a better alternative than non-dedicated session: more settings, more freedom, better performance, this is also no longer possible. Edited October 26, 2023 by darkradeon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liljagare Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, ArkHeavy said: Petition: Stop hosting exclusivity for ARK: Survival Ascended Unofficial server hosting will not be possible! Either server teams are not allowed to host servers, or they are forbidden to make money with the server license. As a result, servers can no longer be paid for, and server teams will work hours to end up financing the servers themselves. We have to stop this, sign the petition now.https://www.change.org/p/stop-hosting-exclusivity-for-ark-survival-ascended Signed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybat Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Definitely looking for some sort of self-hosted same-machine server get up. While I'm not totally opposed to paying for a server, I would prefer to run my own, easier to manage if I want to make special changes. I will likely pay for a server for a month and see what comes up about self-hosting on the same machine. I see people doing SteamCMD stuff, though I don't have much experience there. If someone here is experienced, could you link or post a guide on the ASA set up? Assuming it is working in such a short timeframe from the release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero064 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 45 minutes ago, GrumpyBear said: It seems more like a boa constrictor around the neck of this game franchise. I can't see this ending well. Perhaps somebody has done the math and has figured out Snail can survive without the unofficial crowd, or maybe they're hoping enough of us will pay up anyway. In any event, the more I think about it, the less inclined I am to buy ASA until we get something clear from WC on what private servers and clusters will look like. I can live with all sorts of game glitches (my kids and I have played Ark for years), but this is a deal-breaker for me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGlass Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) Just making sure I have this right: I cannot run a dedicated ASA server on machine #2 and play on it from machine #1 without buying the game twice. Can someone verify this for sure? Also, if that's true: Can I run a server on machine #1 and play from machine #1 without buying a 2nd license? Edited October 26, 2023 by MrGlass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornsby49 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) So I have my unofficial dedicated setup, but CANNOT play it because it registers me running the app in steam and makes me close it prior to opening ASA, Straight up Wildcard and Nitrado LIED and are still Lying on their Webpages now! Edited October 26, 2023 by Thornsby49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctug Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 This is why i have not bought ASA and will not buy it until they let more hosters host besides nitrido, They are way over priced and their customer service really is very bad. I have no idea why they are also not letting be host their own servers, other then to toss more money at nitrido for some stupid reason that i will not and can not be a part of at all. Why in the world would you only let one company host your game is beyond me and quite made tbh. Maybe all the other hosting companies should ban together and do something about wildcard/snail, what ever that might be. For that matter all the people that run privet servers as well. I say no one should buy the game until they give more answers to this stupid stun that they have pulled 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallerMJ31 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Go watch this and like and share. Neddy and others are standing up for server owners: https://youtu.be/AGvF3IQVXEw?si=CmllxB-bF-O9XYtU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizza Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 There's also a petition on change . org but i guess i can't post it here, over 1500 signatures already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator Joebl0w13 Posted October 27, 2023 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Luizza said: There's also a petition on change . org but i guess i can't post it here, over 1500 signatures already. Why can't you post it here. It's already posted in this thread up above. Edited October 27, 2023 by Joebl0w13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzalicious Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 NOT BUYING ASA UNTIL THIS CHANGES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewLB Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Not getting a dime from me until this is changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minena Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I would never pay to play on an unofficial server, but I would like to run my own so I and a friend in another state can play together. If the fact is, that you can only host an unofficial server on Nitrado and pay them, that's a big giant nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealNomad Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 hours ago, zero064 said: Perhaps somebody has done the math and has figured out Snail can survive without the unofficial crowd, or maybe they're hoping enough of us will pay up anyway. In any event, the more I think about it, the less inclined I am to buy ASA until we get something clear from WC on what private servers and clusters will look like. I can live with all sorts of game glitches (my kids and I have played Ark for years), but this is a deal-breaker for me. unofficial servers are where the majority of the playerbase plays. Screwing unofficial players and making them quit is very unwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipinghot Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Liljagare said: This is just... wierd? It's not so much weird as greedy. We've known since March that ASA is nothing more than a naked cash grab, this is just one more link in that chain of greed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipinghot Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 5 hours ago, zero064 said: No, I completely get that I'll have to buy a copy for each map if I do this. Not happy about that at all, especially given all the money I've spent buying Ark for me and my kids over the years. I'm not sure about the clusters. Again, some clarity from WC would go a long way here. If clusters are out, I'll be leaning heavily toward skipping ASA. Vote with your dollars. There are a bunch of other survival games on the market now, it's not like things were when ARK was new. Support a company that doesn't screw its players over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faderide Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) Someone on the Ark reddit figured out how to run a dedicated server for ASA, and connect with a seperate pc on same network without guying a second copy of ASA. He hasnt tried connecting from the same pc, the server is running on though. Edited October 27, 2023 by faderide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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