Therizinosaur Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I've reached the mutation limit on my male Therizino named Greg, (52/20 Matrilineal - 30/20 Patrilineal) so I went and tamed a wild female so I can continue getting mutations. I mated the recently tamed wild female who obviously has no mutations, with Greg who has the 52/20 Mat and 30/20 Pat mutations. The baby comes out a female with 0/20 Mat and 82/20 Pat. Now I needed a male with 0/20 Mat, so I bred Greg with the wild female until I got my male with the desired stats. I mated the 0/20 Mat female with the 0/20 Mat Male, but the baby from those two comes out 82/20 Mat and 82/20 Pat. I don't understand what is going wrong, and would appreciate any suggestions or advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted January 3, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2018 This is normal. When you have a male with 52 matrilineal and 30 patrilineal markers, its babies will have 82 patrilineal markers because the dad had a total of 52 + 30 = 82/40. The side the markers are doesn't matters, they are stacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted January 3, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2018 I explained how I was mass mutating there: And there: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthaNyan Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 You cannot reset mutation score. But you can continue to mutate if you get a 82 marker male with lots of unmutated (0 mutation markers) females and hope for mutation on the stat you want and it gets inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therizinosaur Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, invincibleqc said: This is normal. When you have a male with 52 matrilineal and 30 patrilineal markers, its babies will have 82 patrilineal markers because the dad had a total of 52 + 30 = 82/40. The side the markers are doesn't matters, they are stacking. That makes sense now that I see that, so what exactly am I supposed to do at this stage of breeding? keep taming wild theri's and hope that the baby mutates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted January 3, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Therizinosaur said: That makes sense now that I see that, so what exactly am I supposed to do at this stage of breeding? keep taming wild theri's and hope that the baby mutates? Tame as many of clean females (0/40 markers) as possible and mate your male with them and every 590 eggs you should mutate the stat you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therizinosaur Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, invincibleqc said: Tame as many of clean females (0/40 markers) as possible and mate your male with them and every 590 eggs you should mutate the stat you are looking for. So at this point, inbreeding won't get me anywhere, and taming is the only way to continue to get mutations? Blegh. Thanks though, appreciate the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therizinosaur Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, DarthaNyan said: You cannot reset mutation score. But you can continue to mutate if you get a 82 marker male with lots of unmutated (0 mutation markers) females and hope for mutation on the stat you want and it gets inherited. So I am assuming that the female I recently hatched with 0/20 82/20 will not work as a breeder anymore if I am looking to mutate further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted January 3, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Therizinosaur said: So I am assuming that the female I recently hatched with 0/20 82/20 will not work as a breeder anymore if I am looking to mutate further? No, it won't. If you have a male with 82/40 markers, you need to mate it with females that have less than 20/40 markers because there is a 50/50 chance a new mutation roll on the dad or the mom and if the selected parent has > 20/40 markers the roll is nulled. In conclusion, you have to breed your dirty male with clean females. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthaNyan Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Therizinosaur said: So I am assuming that the female I recently hatched with 0/20 82/20 will not work as a breeder anymore if I am looking to mutate further? It will work for mutations but only if mated with at most 19/40 male. A good planned breeding for mutations should have an unmutated male and a large stock of females to make the process easier/faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris73 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 They need to fix this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted January 3, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, AngryChris73 said: They need to fix this Fix what? It is clearly working as intended. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris73 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, invincibleqc said: Fix what? It is clearly working as intended. ? My cousin bred spinos that got a total of maybe 6-8ish mutations but because of this system he couldnt get more, u should be able to get a total of 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsman Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 anyone else notice there is usually a melee stat mutation (increase) when breeding 2 new tames for the first time but it doesn't increase the mutation marker (still shows 0/20 on both sides)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris73 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, Woodsman said: anyone else notice there is usually a melee stat mutation (increase) when breeding 2 new tames for the first time but it doesn't increase the mutation marker (still shows 0/20 on both sides)? Yes i dont remember wat causes it but it has a logical explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryChris73 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Like my first two rexes i bred together the baby had a 2% melee damage increase but no mutation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted January 3, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2018 I explained it there: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted January 3, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2018 And it doesn't only applies for Melee, but for any stats that gets a % multiplier applied upon taming (melee and food for most species). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger1 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 29 minutes ago, AngryChris73 said: My cousin bred spinos that got a total of maybe 6-8ish mutations but because of this system he couldnt get more, u should be able to get a total of 40 I can't agree with that I'm afraid. The power gap between bred and unbred tames is larger than it really needs to be already. Diminishing returns is a thing in most games for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted January 3, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2018 You already can exceed 40 mutations anyways. Like I explained into the link I gave above, you can get up to 255 pts into a single stat; there is no limit for mutations as long as you breed a mutated male with clean females. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthaNyan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 hours ago, invincibleqc said: Fix what? It is clearly working as intended. ? Fix stat mutation that doesn't get inherited but still increases mutation count - If nothing has changed did the mutation really happen? (And i do think that color change is just an indication of mutation, a byproduct of sorts.) This should also fix prevent infinite mutation stacking and the process of getting 40 mutations on one stat will become a bit more complicated: you get 20 from pat side with a stock of clean females, then you'll have to create a stock of mutated females and mate with a clean male. Scratch that, stats will be limited to 20 mutations by that single change. Then "ultimate" dino will be defined as "20 mutations on each relevant stat". Oh, that and one parent shouldn't mutate other parent's stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmE Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 hours ago, invincibleqc said: You already can exceed 40 mutations anyways. Like I explained into the link I gave above, you can get up to 255 pts into a single stat; there is no limit for mutations as long as you breed a mutated male with clean females. Should still be noted that the mutation system is still broken, and presents an extremely counter-intuitive user experience. It's still on the laundry list six lightyears long of things that should probably be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campi Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Therizinosaur said: So at this point, inbreeding won't get me anywhere, and taming is the only way to continue to get mutations? Blegh. Thanks though, appreciate the help. You only need to tame 1 clean male and 1 clean female. Then you can breed those 2 together to get more clean 0-mutation-counter females to breed with your mutated male Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahlea Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Ranger1 said: I can't agree with that I'm afraid. The power gap between bred and unbred tames is larger than it really needs to be already. Diminishing returns is a thing in most games for a reason. 9 hours ago, invincibleqc said: You already can exceed 40 mutations anyways. Like I explained into the link I gave above, you can get up to 255 pts into a single stat; there is no limit for mutations as long as you breed a mutated male with clean females. This I would say the mutation mechanic needs fixing: I'd prefer if you could only have 10 mutations on either side, but only the transferred mutations are counted in the offspring - that way the de facto maximum would be 20 mutations (or hey! make it less if that's better!) and it would be a lot more intuitive. Personally, although I believe I'm pretty alone in thinking that , I would prefer a decoupling of the stat and colour mutations as I find the colour mutations to be horrendously ugly most of the time (such unnatural, wierd colours). I'm also not a fan of mutations happening in a stat that is not picked for the offspring - rather reduce the chance of a mutation, but if it happens, it should be in a stat that's used. If I understand correctly, with the current system, there is a possibility for endless mutations as long as you keep breeding with one "clean" parent? That seems a bit too OP even if it does take a very long time: with the longevity of the servers people will eventually get there and with egg trading they will spread fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarki Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Campi said: You only need to tame 1 clean male and 1 clean female. Then you can breed those 2 together to get more clean 0-mutation-counter females to breed with your mutated male If this is correct, please confirm my theory below? Ive a male 310 Ptera with 18/20 mutations on both mat and pat sides. I have a female 304 Ptera with 16/20 on both mat and pat sides. I have tamed a clean female and male set of Pteras to clean the mut stat counter. If I breed m 310 with clean female, and the f 304 with the clean male - get the luck and the stats follow over to both babies - these babies should be effectively clean? If I am again lucky and get a male and female baby and breed these - I should with any luck get a 0/0 mut stat counter - is this correct? Thanks Anarki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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