HolyPoly1026 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 7 hours ago, xackbelle said: I think the reason we aren't seeing eye to eye here is because you seem to be playing the game with a completely different mentality than I am. You said: In my view, this mentality has the potential to reduce the appeal of nearly every creature of the game. You're saying it's not worth taming TO YOU. But to me, it's still worth taming. Abilities are going to overlap over time, but the dinos and creatures in ark are all still unique in their own right. I don't sit around going "why would I tame a ice wyvern when their breath attack is objectively less useful than a lightning or fire wyvern?" They may have similarities in their abilities, but the creatures themselves are very different. The ice and poison wyverns look cool, and are fun to use, therefore I want to use them. I don't care if there is a "stronger and better option," I'm going to play the game in the way that is most fun for me. Like you won't catch me going "oh no an iguanodon is faster and can carry a bit more than a parasaur, so I guess im done taming parasaurs." If a dino looks cool, and has fun abilities, then I don't care if it overlaps with another dino. To me, the idea of a budget Ferox that can throw grenades instead of boulders is genuinely really fun. I am more interested in the creature as a whole, rather than how "useful" or "unique" it's abilities are. Sure shadowmanes are strong, and they may be a hodgepodge of several creatures mixed into one, but more importantly, they're insanely cool. I use deinonyschus AND thylas, because they're both fun to use. I don't stop using another dino simply because another one is more useful or more meta. And so im not going to stop using a thyla or a deinonychus once the baboon comes out, because I want all of them. If you don't want to use it because you don't want it to "replace" your other dinos, then that's on you. Me? Imma be swinging through the trees throwin poop at sarcos while being happy as heck! The other thing you aren't considering, is that dedicating one or two unique abilities per dino but then not reusing those abilities again later for other new dinos can potentially leave the game feeling stagnant. Like, if I want a dino that can do a fear roar, I only have 2 options between the rex and yuty. What's wrong with wanting extra options between my mounts? Everything is going to have a niche anyways, since no dino is EXACTLY the same, and that leaves certain dinos completely useless when compared to others no matter what you do. So me personally, I enjoy visual diversity in my game and having only 2 or 3 dinos that climb? To me THAT is what's boring and, in your words, "makes the variety worse or makes creatures people really like not a necessity". I want TONS of climbing dinos, even if they're relatively the same at the end of the day. Just remember, everything in ARK is going to have a niche anyways, since no dino is EXACTLY the same. None of the climbing mounts are arguably the "best" if you were to ask me, becasue each fills very different purposes. -I have a climbing mount that can be fairly tanky and can bleed enemies like crazy, while also staying hidden in the trees where I can pounce on prey : the thyla -I have a small and nimble pack hunting climbing mount that can jump onto the back of larger dinos and takes no fall damage : deinonyschus -I have a cute little fuzzball that I can carry on my shoulder until I feed it element, where it then becomes a powerhouse of a climbing mount that can then throw giant boulders from afar: ferox -And now I will have a mid sized pack hunting climbing mount that can throw grenades and disable tek: dinopithecus You can try and come up excuses such as "well this dino is bad because another dino does it better" all day, but I'm sorry, I just don't think any of these are going to replace any of the others. They all have their own unique uses and if you think the baboon is going to make others useless, or that it by itself will be useless, I just think you lack creativity. People can tame what they want, but there's a meta, and people do replace other dinos when new and better ones are released. I've never seen anyone talk about the Spino since Shadowmane came out. Yes, every creature has their own niche, but it's not hard to remove at least part of that niche when a new dino gets the same ability. For example, Megalania isn't downright useless and can still do things others can't, but once a player has access to a Rock Drake, their Megalania becomes much less useful when you have access to a better option. Of course that Megalania can still be used, but it won't benefit you as much when compared to a Rock Drake. The case with Dinopithecus is a bit different though. Ferox can be used for both power and mobility, but requires element to be used. Dinopithecus comes out, and it's more mobile than Ferox and doesn't require element. You have both of these creatures, and both are still useful, but one does a specific job better than the other, therefore your Ferox won't be used as much, since one of its niches have been replaced. Both are still usable, and you may like the Ferox more, but Dinopithecus will benefit you more in terms of transportation. People can play the game how they feel, and almost every dino has a scenario where they can best be used, but niches can be stolen by other creatures, like the Rock Drake did to Megalania. Now Megalania is your midgame free climber, but Rock Drake is the stronger, lategame dlc climber, and therefore will be used more once you have access to both. There's also nothing wrong with loads of climbing dinos if they all are unique in a different way, but the fastest climber would be the creature you would use specifically for climbing. The Thyla can still climb, but that wouldn't be the main reason they tame it if they have the best possible climber. Maybe they need a small enough cave mount that can take out large groups on enemies, in which case that best climber wouldn't be as useful for. So every creature isn't useless, but once you have access to all creatures, some will be used more than others because they do a specific job better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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