DirkInSA Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CatInFire said: They had MONTHS to be ready for this. The launch got delayed from August to October and they still managed to fail. I think it can be understandble why people are frustrated... The level of incompetence of that team is unbelievable. Well strictly speaking they did not really fail - they fulfilled the contract that brought them some $ to go on with. But from a wanna be online player perspective sure in life, it is a fail! Edited October 26, 2023 by DirkInSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnethicalOctopus Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Yeah, this isnt incompetence. This is greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkradeon Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) for those asking proof: link to EULA: https://store.steampowered.com/eula/2430930_eula_0 test by youself: cannot instal the server in anon mode in steam cmd, even if you install using credentials you are UNABLE to run more than 1 server instance, even launching manually from installation path. This means no more clusters on unofficial except for those paying nitrado. also no reverse engineering allowed, so no more server API that was used to create and run amazing mods on server side that were used to support complex mods on servers and clusters. This means unofficial is dead, which means ASA is a heavy elephant with shiny pants to play just in single player. Edited October 26, 2023 by darkradeon 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharro Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Due to the Server Exclusivity Arrangement, I have refunded my copy of ASA and recommended my entire server community to due the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkfields Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 ERROR! Failed to install app '2430930' (No subscription) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizza Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 So, just read this https://server.nitrado.net/en-GB/news/ark-survival-ascended-server-hosting-exclusivity-news We all know Nitrado bought the rights to commercial servers, but we assumed non-commercial little servers would be able to run. But they are not. You need to apply for a free license and for that you need to have a community of at least 10,000 members. That's to host your own NON-COMMERICAL Ark server, even if it's from your own house - rip all those little friendly unofficials which never charge a bean, ever, for using their servers. No kits, no donations, no whitelisting, no subs, no patreon, etc, etc. You'd think those large content creators "buy a sub and get access to my servers" could afford to pay the Nitrado fees anyway, but we know why that bar is so high and they are getting it for free - possibly to keep them quiet about all the little guys being pushed out? The I'm alright Jack mentality. Honestly, makes me sick this is so anti new people getting started with a server, and stifling the Ark community. Someone please tell me I've read this wrong and people will still be able to set up small clusters on their own systems in their own homes and allow others to join. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkradeon Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 if it was just for paid slot.. you cannot run more than 1 server = map on same steam account = system. this means no damn clusters outside nitrado (where a month of basic rant almost costs like the game). also no server api. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkInSA Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, darkradeon said: 1 server per account you cannot run multiple steam account in same system even if you but x copies of asa, it's a steam limitation. clusters are just on nitrado. they killed unofficial dead game in 1 day. gg snail, gg nitrado. So in linux there are ways around this with just one physical server - BUT given the way it is right now, I will bet dollars that a linux version (server or otherwise) simply does not release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardO Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Larkfields said: ERROR! Failed to install app '2430930' (No subscription) You have to log into steamcmd with the account you purchases ASA with. Right now looks like its just Windows server files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnethicalOctopus Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) Well at least for the time being I can still play the original on unofficial... Wonder how long that is going to last? Edited October 26, 2023 by UnethicalOctopus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkradeon Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, DirkInSA said: So in linux there are ways around this with just one physical server - BUT given the way it is right now, I will bet dollars that a linux version (server or otherwise) simply does not release. linux or windows doesn't matter. the server is bound to your account purchase. that's a backdoor to not allow you to run more than 1 instance. you would say: "I buy x copies and I run x VM of steam".. except you are going to post your ip address on the nitrado backdoor and cluster is not gonna work anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkInSA Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, UnethicalOctopus said: I still think it funny that 10k people would be required to get a license. The server caps gonna love that. YouTuber exclusivity? Chinese megatribe exclusivity is more like it... Yeah and your 10k people gets you a TEMPOROY license ....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero064 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, mindless2831 said: Clearly you know nothing about me to even say that... I have been running a cluster since 2016 in ASE, but I don't see what that has to do with what I said. I'm going to redo the configuration for ASM now that I have the app id's for everything and will report back when I have it working. I think people need to calm down, it hasn't even been out for 24 hours and they had a huge issue with official servers due to people becoming admins. Cut Wildcard a little slack. If somebody can figure out how to make it work I'll be thrilled. We'd all much rather be setting up our servers right now than being here complaining about the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkInSA Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Just now, darkradeon said: linux or windows doesn't matter. the server is bound to your account purchase. that's a backdoor to not allow you to run more than 1 instance. you would say: "I buy x copies and I run x VM of steam".. except you are going to post your ip address on the nitrado backdoor and cluster is not gonna work anyway. If it now validates against Nitrado rather than steam - then yep thats also a dead duck. With steam, I can run a chroot copy of the game with its own steam login - and I should be good to go. But its academic without a linux version posted somewhere .......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkradeon Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) going better, admins cannot play while hosting they need 2 license, 2 steam account, 2 different machines to host AND play this means even admin tests are dead GG nitrado give us more, kill the snail! Edited October 26, 2023 by darkradeon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkInSA Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, darkradeon said: going better, admins cannot play while hosting they need 2 license, 2 steam account, 2 different machines to host AND play LOL yep - given the posts - that is exactly what I would expect. Bugger this is really a bye bye ASA ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator Joebl0w13 Posted October 26, 2023 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted October 26, 2023 28 minutes ago, Luizza said: Someone please tell me I've read this wrong and people will still be able to set up small clusters on their own systems in their own homes and allow others to join. At this time, you cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnethicalOctopus Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, darkradeon said: going better, admins cannot play while hosting they need 2 license, 2 steam account, 2 different machines to host AND play Five bucks says the console version doesn't even allow unofficial servers. Just because of game sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkInSA Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 46 minutes ago, mindless2831 said: I'm going to redo the configuration for ASM now Mmmmm I just read this properly - Good luck with ASM as well I do not assert it (not having bought into the money grab), but I would expect that ASM no longer is working thing either ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkradeon Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) now if someone at WC before seeing their company getting closed would be so kind to patch ASE and restore full events like grove street game did in switch, we will love you. Edited October 26, 2023 by darkradeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkInSA Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 minute ago, UnethicalOctopus said: No bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero064 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Joebl0w13 said: At this time, you cannot. Is that the official word from WC? So far I haven't seen anything from them on the subject. I'm sure they're having a busy day, but it'd clear things up a bunch if somebody were to pop in and say "Sorry, this is supposed to work but it's broken." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkradeon Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, zero064 said: Is that the official word from WC? So far I haven't seen anything from them on the subject. I'm sure they're having a busy day, but it'd clear things up a bunch if somebody were to pop in and say "Sorry, this is supposed to work but it's broken." there is nothing to ask nitrado DRM will not allow you. as well the license. Edited October 26, 2023 by darkradeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero064 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, darkradeon said: there is nothing to ask nitrado DRM will not allow you. There is though. I read the Nitrado agreement, and it specifically allows us to run non-commercial servers. I also think that WC should tell us what's going on regardless, even if it's a lame "Sorry, this was a difficult business decision, and we hope to make this available in the future." With all the years we've been players (not to mention paying) they owe us that much. Edited October 26, 2023 by zero064 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkInSA Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Luizza said: So, just read this https://server.nitrado.net/en-GB/news/ark-survival-ascended-server-hosting-exclusivity-news We all know Nitrado bought the rights to commercial servers, but we assumed non-commercial little servers would be able to run. But they are not. You need to apply for a free license and for that you need to have a community of at least 10,000 members. That's to host your own NON-COMMERICAL Ark server, even if it's from your own house - rip all those little friendly unofficials which never charge a bean, ever, for using their servers. No kits, no donations, no whitelisting, no subs, no patreon, etc, etc. You'd think those large content creators "buy a sub and get access to my servers" could afford to pay the Nitrado fees anyway, but we know why that bar is so high and they are getting it for free - possibly to keep them quiet about all the little guys being pushed out? The I'm alright Jack mentality. Honestly, makes me sick this is so anti new people getting started with a server, and stifling the Ark community. Someone please tell me I've read this wrong and people will still be able to set up small clusters on their own systems in their own homes and allow others to join. As it seems to be right now - No, private small clusters are no more a viable thing. Sure, possible but at enormous expense compared to how ASE was. No one here has yet tried to run 2 instances of the only released map on a LAN (like I ran a cluster of a bunch of different maps). So far it seems given a Windows server, It is not possible to run ASA "twice" on one box (Not even a "Host the game" and a "Play the Game"). So at a minimum one needs to run VM's or separate physical servers for each map instance. What is not yet verified is if that source public IP address of servers has any impact on "multiple copies". In other words can I host two bought copies of ASA on 2 VM's (or even 2 separate physical servers in my LAN) through the same public IP address. And then still be able to play the damned game on MY server(s) on MY public IP address? Edited October 26, 2023 by DirkInSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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