Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted February 27, 2017 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2017 i would like to hear others experience regarding our new water friend, the eel. this is ours. we found them for the first time last night when we went out to tame one of the nice Mosa we had located the day before. we were out with the current Mosa crew: 1. Proteus-lvl 234, 31000 health, 420 melee, asc 80.5 armor 2. Miss Mosa-lvl 200, 26000, 379, mc 77.8 armor 3.Grimace-lvl 131, 27500, 248, ap 45 armor we located and begin tranqing the mosa we were there for, everything was going swimmingly (had too) when the mosa, like all do, tried to run. we gave chase, following our general rule of "only one shooter after it runs" and in this instance i was that guy. the mosa ran back the way we had come from, heading west along the north boundary wall. i got a lucky long shot on it and it was down between a tall rock and the boundary wall, just west of a crate location(7.9/80.2). the spot actually looked ideal (i thought)--map edge on one side, mosa totally blocked by the rock on the island side. "sweet" i say to myself as i throw on a couple stacks of narco. then across discord comes an anxious announcement regarding a jellyfish and being unmounted. they are on top of the rock the taming mosa is blocked by, no biggie i thought, the other mosa was going to assist. another dismount call amidst "these arent jellyfish" "wtf?!?" etc so i bring Proteus to the fight. i see the "lightning" consuming both the other mosa but cannot see what is doing the business. i approach with "jelly technique" (approach very slowly biting constantly) and kill one when i am then also dismounted. what a fustercluck. there is nothing to shoot at as the now identified eels are inside of the mosa, so the mosa takes the shots. they eventually mange to eat the eels and we are all somewhat amazed but mostly relieved. everyone parks to guard and the tame proceeds normally. its a little boring so there is discussion about the several spots of pearls we see and how we are in need of some. it is decided that it will be okay to gather, but not to wander far to avoid aggro/respawn and to stay close to help, the tame is of course the priority. Miss Mosa and Grimace move out to gather pearls, i am watching the tame. they do not stay together as i assumed they would, generally not a big deal because...they're on Mosa, the God of the Oceans and Rulers of the Deep....right? it takes maybe three minutes before there is a call across discord, "dammit im dismounted again". its Grimace's rider (newest to underwater play) so i send Miss Mosa over to assist, thinking the mate boost and added teeth will put an end to things fast enough. i spam another 100 narco and get on Proteus just in case. true panic ensues as discord becomes overlapping cries for help, Miss Mosa is in the fray, rider dismounted and " oh god, Grimace is dying". in about 8 seconds i am on scene, and it is bad. 3 plesi have joined in to what looks like at least 7-8 eels and the obligatory stupid mantas. Grimace is wearing full blood and i am sure he is dead, the riders are trying to kill the plesi with their newly nerfed Xbows. i am able to kill 2-3 eels before being dismounted. i whistle passive & all follow and swim for the roof--they are not/cannot follow but have seemed to have moved a bit. whistle them neutral again and in a few bites they kill the remaining eels and then, like normal, the plesi are no issue. we all mount up and go back to the tame, fill Grimace with all the meat available and so begins the spamming. out of 27500 health, he is below 4000. the entire incident lasted maybe two minutes, definitely not much longer. remember, these are eels, not alpha mosa. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=873379414 we all stay by the tame and finish up, we now have Ahti, perfect tame to level 202, we agree we are done and swim home to park. i decide to swim around solo for a bit to make sure there are none of our new "friends" spawning close to where the mosa park. we have them near the surface in open water following a passive critter at about 14/41. night falls as im gathering pearls on the bottom a bit east of camp, still looking for the new beasts when i spot glowing far off to the east. it doesnt look like jellies. to my amazement once scoped it is 6-7 of the new eels. i had biotoxin in my zero slot but after seeing how many there were i gave up the idea of trying a tame. then oddly enough they seem to be getting closer, scope them again and holy crap--they have aggro'd on me from just inside scope distance??? at any rate we get them dealt with, all but one, which swims off. i throw all my good stuff on the mosa that came out to eat the group of eels and try to tame the last one. female, lvl60. i get 5-6 biotoxin in her before she kills me, had her at about 50% tame. look for my bag for a bit (turns out i had decent scuba pants on) but give up and its time to log out. ------- so what has your experience been with the new eel? tamed any? lost critters to any? notice the same crazy aggro range? sorry for the long read...once i started i had to get it out be careful out there--the water is not safe! 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heiser Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Great read! Haven't seen them yet, and now I know that if I do I will be running the other way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted February 27, 2017 Author Volunteer Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 minute ago, heiser said: running the other way this is the currently advised tactic lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayne1973 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Being on xbox i havent had to deal with the eels yet but they appear to be a real pita. Im guessing they aggro anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted February 27, 2017 Author Volunteer Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Shayne1973 said: Im guessing they aggro anything? im assuming so, if they aggro on a mosa... it isnt even that they aggro to a mosa, its the crazy distance at which they will aggro. im not sure exactly what the range is for the spyglass, but i could barely see them through it and they aggro'd on me from there. reminds me of the crazy megladon aggro of yesteryear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacejam Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 sounds like ells are they dilo of the sea but can actually back up theri small man syndrom with hits. This makes me sad as the underwater caves now are going to be stupid hard with these bloody things floating around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraken Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I found a whole heap as I swam around on Olivia, my best Basilosaurus. I ate them all and laughed at their impudence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracul Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Eels are pretty aggressive and come with taht pesky jellyfish stun which is getting way overused already. They use angler AI and have itchy (wild) speed, if you injure them enough they will get into a 'flee and return' loop like anglers do but at the moment best way to deal with them are basils and squids, I spent quite awhile trying to find them the fist day and when i did they impotently tried chain stunning my deep sea god Cthulhu, with 51k health and 580% melee swatting them like flies it became more of a game once they started running away and returning only to flee again over and over, occasionally putting in a zap before returning to their loop. My tribe is still wittling down our overclocked dino count but once thats done I'll see about taming some of these pesky things, they seem like they should be quite a challenge, or at least annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted February 27, 2017 Author Volunteer Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Kraken said: Olivia, my best Basilosaurus. cant find any of decent level or one would be in the pack so hows that whale work on alpha mosa/alpha squid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted February 27, 2017 Author Volunteer Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Dracul said: sea god Cthulhu assuming this is a squid? will tame one of those as soon as i'm over almost losing a mosa to one in the east cave. they are currently on the "all must die list" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nim Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I accompanied some allies to the east ocean cave the other day. 2 high level mosas, 2 high level plesis. It was bad. I was in front on a plesi as we went down the hole near the artifact. Immediate dismount, I passed out after that, my plesi died after that. In the span of a few seconds my plesi with 10k health died. That tiny crevice was really rough. My allies found a mosa they'd lost in the cave before and unclaimed it so I wouldn't die. We almost died anyway, as we found many more eels on the way out along with squids and mosas to back them up. By the time we got back to the exit, all the dinos were really bloody and 2 almost dead. My mosa had 300 health left out of I don't even know how much. Eels are the worst thing in the sea. Not mosas, not squids, not alphas, not even jellies. At least jellies die easily. I can kill them with a primitive crossbow and stone arrows, no problem. But eels... demons in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloddstar Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 This has been basically my experience as well. I can't figure out a way to combat these things effectively with a mosa. This isn't a huge problem a lot of the time - you just peg a few crossbow bolts into the eels stunning your mount and mop up the rest but if anything else shows up things go downhill quickly. Hopefully this isn't their intended goal for these little bastards- they've made my underwater trips since the patch a lot more frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted February 27, 2017 Author Volunteer Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, bloddstar said: you just peg a few crossbow bolts into the eels stunning your mount from our experience most if not all of the eels end up "inside" of the mosa(s) being shocked and the mosa itself gets hit with the bolts. i agree tho, the underwater world just got a whole lot more trying for mosa riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtheralBorealis Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I like the addition of this creature but I don't like the passive-aggressive taming you have to do with creatures like these, its quite annoying especially with an animal that shocks you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracul Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 hours ago, ThzNutz said: assuming this is a squid? will tame one of those as soon as i'm over almost losing a mosa to one in the east cave. they are currently on the "all must die list" Not just a squid, 'the' squid. 150 wild male tamed out at lvl224 with 349.2% melee. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=839758287 And this is why I recommend squids for Caverns of Lost Hope above everything else - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=847500435 (especially now that there are eels) stuff hides in the walls and pops out when you get in aggro range, so even if a way LOOKS clear, you get ambushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reach1989 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The ocean is a ridiculously hostile place to be right now! While i havent seen any eels yet (thankfully) we lost a 145 tame mosa today to the overspawning anglers and jellyfish that follow you for miles. They ended up inside the mosa and couldn't be killed. Almost lost two more fighting an alpha when we got swarmed by 500 anglers and 10 jellyfish. Might keep them parked for a while until this ends, or I tame a squid. Our lot of turtles and vault of black pearls is egging me on Side note, ended up taming another good mosa and plesi tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraken Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 On 27 February 2017 at 10:04 PM, ThzNutz said: cant find any of decent level or one would be in the pack so hows that whale work on alpha mosa/alpha squid? Olivia was a 110 kibble tame, highest I've been able to find yet. I've taken down lvl 15 and 20 Alpha Squids with her with relative ease. She tanks well enough to only need a couple of quick trips to the shallows to heal. The hardest part is actually chasing them when they ink and run because she's not that quick, but luckily they both decided to run into rocks and got stuck. Alpha Mosa's she just doesn't do enough damage to make it viable, I think you'd need a whole pod against one. At the moment though with Jelly's and Eels around, the Basilo really is the premier aquatic mount. I literally only use my Mosa to take down Alpha Mosas, and I'll use him to tame a Squid when I find a high enough level one, but I won't take him out without at least one of my whales as a bodyguard, which is a strange state of affairs really. There really does need to be a major overhaul of sea creature AI. Specifically the only thing that should be targeting the big 3 of Mosa Squid and Plesi is other members of the same, and Jellies really need to just be drifting aimlessly rather than aggressively targeting players and tames, amongst other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_ Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Yup Mosa's are old news. Basil and Squid are the new kings of the deep. Having a whale and knowing how esily they dispatch jelly's (my high whale is named "Jellen Like A Fellon") I new that was the right eel taming mount. Tamed a lvl 5 without too much issue. Eel comes in shocks, I quickly dismount and spam "e" to feed the eel, then remount. Took around 5 bio-toxin to tame a level 5. But I play PvE....not sure what to do with it now lol. Maybe it can help tame things....we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted March 1, 2017 Author Volunteer Moderator Share Posted March 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, Midnight_ said: Yup Mosa's are old news here's hoping more folks think this--that will leave all the good mosa for me to tame. i can admit a nice whale or squid added to our current mosa pack is needed to deal with the eels, but that hardly makes the mosa irrelevant. the killing power of 3 or 4 ridden mate boosted mosa is a wonder to behold, and mosa will always be my "go to" alpha killers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_ Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 You are correct. And ya was not saying they are "irrelevant" only no longer the top. I am speaking in terms of being able to roam unafraid of other dinos. They have to fear jellys and eels. But the whale and squid fear nothing. (the whale fears the deep.....so is not as good as squid). I have not yet tamed a squid (all set with pearls and turtles, just have not done it yet) but from what I have read it is the new king of the oceans. (in that it can roam with the least fear of other dinos.) And more to the point that you made is that YES added just one whale or squid to your pack WILL make (once again) an unstoppable group. I think that is the goal they were going for and it makes sense. Diversity of dinos = greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted March 1, 2017 Author Volunteer Moderator Share Posted March 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, Midnight_ said: I think that is the goal they were going for and it makes sense. Diversity of dinos = greatness. totally agree--maybe lessen the aggro range on those eels tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracul Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, ThzNutz said: here's hoping more folks think this--that will leave all the good mosa for me to tame. i can admit a nice whale or squid added to our current mosa pack is needed to deal with the eels, but that hardly makes the mosa irrelevant. the killing power of 3 or 4 ridden mate boosted mosa is a wonder to behold, and mosa will always be my "go to" alpha killers. Squids are king for me, especially for alphas I pit mine 1 on 1 nose to nose against this guy http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855986789 Now I have a female (was 130 wild so kinda low) so I could in theory boost them, but I reaaaally want to breed them on a side note I did confirm today: basils can get into the Caverns of Lost Faith with minimal damage (gets hurt going down to the cave and a little bit inside till it can ascend some) making them superior to even squids for that cave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtmorris Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Haha that's awesome. I love what the Jelly fish have done to my sea trips. I don't like the giant aggro range though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ThzNutz Posted March 1, 2017 Author Volunteer Moderator Share Posted March 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, Dracul said: Squids are king for me, i can see that, everyone will have their preferences. i have loved the mosa since it was put into the game and just guessing but would estimate i have around 700 hours on the back of a mosa, probably more, so yes i am little biased. beast of a squid you have there and congratz on the kill. really looking forward to the water/amphibious breeding too, cant wait to see a baby mosa hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracul Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 36 minutes ago, ThzNutz said: i can see that, everyone will have their preferences. i have loved the mosa since it was put into the game and just guessing but would estimate i have around 700 hours on the back of a mosa, probably more, so yes i am little biased. beast of a squid you have there and congratz on the kill. really looking forward to the water/amphibious breeding too, cant wait to see a baby mosa hehehe I was basically the same but in the plesio camp instead, iv been scraping along the deep with them sense about the time claiming was added (spent more time under water than a lot of people have even been playing) but always wanted a squid sense they were originally announced. Was just dumb luck that the second one I found was 150, and that wildcard has repeatedly put in stuff that makes plesios too risky to use most of the time. Nearly lost my favorite plesio to jellyfish a few weeks ago so now she and all her other cohorts (none below 120, couple of 150s waiting for breeding) sit around with their ASC platform saddles pretty much negated by jellyfish and eels the power creep is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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