Recommended Posts

jer2911tx    1

This question is specifically for PVE.

I know you aren't supposed to block access to pathways and you aren't supposed to block access to artifacts, but is there an actual rule or guideline someplace saying whether or not you can build a base or an outpost and block off a cave that does not have an artifact?

We had some confusion the first day of the new servers. Ran straight for the waterfall cave in the highglands on ragnarok that is the perfect size for a behemoth gate and has no artifact, just 2 metal veins. We threw down thatch foundations at the cave entrance and a couple inside to place a smithie, forge, bed, etc. since that was a safe starting point with minimal building required.

Before we could get a gate up at the entrance, another tribe built foundations behind us in the cave & in front of us at the cave entrance and we were told we couldn't block the cave access with a gate.

We ended up just leaving for a new spot, but now I am wondering about another cave location on the beach that would make a perfect safe parking spot for water dinos for later.

If a cave does not have an artifact, can we block access to the cave in any way (either altogether or just block access to wild water dinos to keep tames safe from other water dinos and leave open air access above the water)?

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
jer2911tx    1

the first cave we were at had a couple of metal veins, that was it.

the beach cave i am wanting to park water dinos in doesn't have anything at all inside it (i don't think), just a nice cave area off the beach that is full of water to park water dinos in safely to keep them from wild water dinos.

i think i could actually place a behemoth gate just off the beach that would block wild water dinos from entering the cave and still leave the cave open for anyone else to walk in or fly in, but would cut off access to anyone swimming in on a tamed water dino...so that isn't blocking access to the cave...just blocking access to the cave to wild water dinos coming in from the channel through the beach area

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Blackwolfe    48

On Ragnarok some caves were basically put there for people to build in.

The cave in the bay near the redwoods they pretty much showed on stream during pax and talked about it being a cool build spot.

Edited by Blackwolfe

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Shadowless28    21

Depending on the people you are playing with some feel they have a higher level or are more entitled to dictate where someone can or can not build.  I understand the objection for some people and where certain items are built they may cause an issue with spawns of certain resources including dinos.  The cave I believe you are talking about in the highlands that has just some metal veins and some water on the inside is being built in on the PvP server I play on.  Probably not the best place for these guys since it is pretty open for being raided but I don't see any issues with someone building there.  The other location you are talking about close to redwoods would be a good place for water dino storage as well.  Blackwolfe is right when saying other people have been shown building in there.  The only issue is the boost in damage you receive when building in caves.  Not sure if that would fall under the same category on PvE considering you should be safe unless someone kites something to your base and you happen to be online. I would say build away where you wanted and if someone tells you that you can't build somewhere simply ask them why not.  If they can't give you a good reason just do it anyways. I would recommend though having some pillars and ceilings to put up rather quickly to stop them from building to close if that is the case. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
HoMeRj613    4
19 hours ago, jer2911tx said:

This question is specifically for PVE.

I know you aren't supposed to block access to pathways and you aren't supposed to block access to artifacts, but is there an actual rule or guideline someplace saying whether or not you can build a base or an outpost and block off a cave that does not have an artifact?

We had some confusion the first day of the new servers. Ran straight for the waterfall cave in the highglands on ragnarok that is the perfect size for a behemoth gate and has no artifact, just 2 metal veins. We threw down thatch foundations at the cave entrance and a couple inside to place a smithie, forge, bed, etc. since that was a safe starting point with minimal building required.

Before we could get a gate up at the entrance, another tribe built foundations behind us in the cave & in front of us at the cave entrance and we were told we couldn't block the cave access with a gate.

We ended up just leaving for a new spot, but now I am wondering about another cave location on the beach that would make a perfect safe parking spot for water dinos for later.

If a cave does not have an artifact, can we block access to the cave in any way (either altogether or just block access to wild water dinos to keep tames safe from other water dinos and leave open air access above the water)?

 

I can almost guarantee that  if you go back to that cave after your foundation timers are up that the tribe that told you that you couldn't build there will have gates at the entrance, sounds like they wanted that cave for themselves, why else would they run straight there too. Pretty much every tribe will secure their base first and only after will they start protecting resources.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ulta    601

No there are no rules against building in caves without artifacts on PVE, even on official. Rag specifically has a bunch of caves made just to house bases. That tribe just didn't want you building in it because they just didn't want you building in it. they wanted it. You broke no OFFICIAL rules...they just decided to exercise their 'higher than thou' status...which is a jerk move imo.

Go ahead and move into this other cave and don't give a dang about what these bigger tribes tell you. Build your new base with griefers in mind in case they decide to be even bigger jerks and try kiting something to you to destroy your work (if that's even doable anymore on PVE. I forget if all PVe officials have ORP to them).

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
jer2911tx    1
56 minutes ago, Ulta said:

No there are no rules against building in caves without artifacts on PVE, even on official. Rag specifically has a bunch of caves made just to house bases. That tribe just didn't want you building in it because they just didn't want you building in it. they wanted it. You broke no OFFICIAL rules...they just decided to exercise their 'higher than thou' status...which is a jerk move imo.

Go ahead and move into this other cave and don't give a dang about what these bigger tribes tell you. Build your new base with griefers in mind in case they decide to be even bigger jerks and try kiting something to you to destroy your work (if that's even doable anymore on PVE. I forget if all PVe officials have ORP to them).

 

that's what i thought, but they have about 6-10 people in their tribe and were dragging our bodies into the water in the cave to kill us after we logged out before we had an enclosed place to log out, and were messing with us when we were trying to tame dinos. from global chat, they appear to be griefing & cussing everyone they come into contact with on the server. it is pretty clear they have no concern over getting into trouble with a GM for anything they say or do.

i'm not going to say anything on our server in global chat or submit another ticket to complain about getting screwed over and cause more griefing from that tribe or their GM friend, but even though i was the first person on the whole server and we started building a base at the waterfall cave before the other tribe put foundations behind us in the cave and in front of us outside of the cave so we couldn't even put down more campfires (which seems like "boxing in a tribe and preventing them from building at their own base" that is explicitly listed as not allowed in the PVE rules), the tribe that boxed us in had a GM remove our behemoth gate to the base at the entrance to the cave. i had already put in a ticket about them boxing us in, and my brother put in a ticket about our behemoth gate disappearing. a GM replied to his ticket and said our behemoth gate was removed because blocking access to caves was not allowed. a different GM replied to my initial ticket and said there wasn't anything he could do in our situation. no response as to the whole "boxing in" thing, just said they couldn't discuss our situation any further.

we didn't want to cause any additional griefing from that big tribe or their GM friend, so i'm not saying anything about it in global chat in our server and i avoid getting involved in the griefing discussions when i do happen to check out what is going on in global chat. we just want to be left alone and recover from how much that set us back with getting off to a quick start before all of the good locations for bases and traps were taken.

we just shifted to a new location in the redwoods that was way less populated than the highlands. the tribe that boxed us in has put in a new behemoth gate to make a base out of the cave we left (even though their GM friend who deleted our behemoth gate there told my brother blocking access to that cave was not allowed). All of the other GMs i've come across have always seemed like they just wanted to be helpful within the limits of what they could do or were supposed to do and i never got the impression they allowed their "friends" to take advantage of their friendship to abuse their power and screw over other players (this was an Official server, after all, not a private server), so all we can do is hope the same tribe, or another tribe with a GM buddy with situational ethics , doesn't decide they want to take over our new base location, as well.

we're just gonna try to lay low and try to survive.

good luck to you

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the GM's have determined that blocking that cave entrance is against the rules, report it and cite your case to get it removed.  While I sincerely doubt there is any "GM friendship" angle to this situation, if similar action isn't taken against the other tribe you can report that as well along with the name of the original GM.  His past actions should be easily verifiable, along with the rest of the details of your report.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
HalfSlabBacon    184
3 hours ago, jer2911tx said:

that's what i thought, but they have about 6-10 people in their tribe and were dragging our bodies into the water in the cave to kill us after we logged out before we had an enclosed place to log out, and were messing with us when we were trying to tame dinos. from global chat, they appear to be griefing & cussing everyone they come into contact with on the server. it is pretty clear they have no concern over getting into trouble with a GM for anything they say or do.

i'm not going to say anything on our server in global chat or submit another ticket to complain about getting screwed over and cause more griefing from that tribe or their GM friend, but even though i was the first person on the whole server and we started building a base at the waterfall cave before the other tribe put foundations behind us in the cave and in front of us outside of the cave so we couldn't even put down more campfires (which seems like "boxing in a tribe and preventing them from building at their own base" that is explicitly listed as not allowed in the PVE rules), the tribe that boxed us in had a GM remove our behemoth gate to the base at the entrance to the cave. i had already put in a ticket about them boxing us in, and my brother put in a ticket about our behemoth gate disappearing. a GM replied to his ticket and said our behemoth gate was removed because blocking access to caves was not allowed. a different GM replied to my initial ticket and said there wasn't anything he could do in our situation. no response as to the whole "boxing in" thing, just said they couldn't discuss our situation any further.

we didn't want to cause any additional griefing from that big tribe or their GM friend, so i'm not saying anything about it in global chat in our server and i avoid getting involved in the griefing discussions when i do happen to check out what is going on in global chat. we just want to be left alone and recover from how much that set us back with getting off to a quick start before all of the good locations for bases and traps were taken.

we just shifted to a new location in the redwoods that was way less populated than the highlands. the tribe that boxed us in has put in a new behemoth gate to make a base out of the cave we left (even though their GM friend who deleted our behemoth gate there told my brother blocking access to that cave was not allowed). All of the other GMs i've come across have always seemed like they just wanted to be helpful within the limits of what they could do or were supposed to do and i never got the impression they allowed their "friends" to take advantage of their friendship to abuse their power and screw over other players (this was an Official server, after all, not a private server), so all we can do is hope the same tribe, or another tribe with a GM buddy with situational ethics , doesn't decide they want to take over our new base location, as well.

we're just gonna try to lay low and try to survive.

good luck to you

It's a Shame when people like this log in to find every alpha dino on the server has been luered to their base while they were off line. 😋

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Jostabeere    720

You are not blocking off any vital ressources or path-, waterways that are important. Nor are you blocking off anyones base entrance or their dinos.

There is no rule that would tell you not to build there.

Edited by Jostabeere

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ulta    601
6 hours ago, jer2911tx said:

that's what i thought, but they have about 6-10 people in their tribe and were dragging our bodies into the water in the cave to kill us after we logged out before we had an enclosed place to log out, and were messing with us when we were trying to tame dinos. from global chat, they appear to be griefing & cussing everyone they come into contact with on the server. it is pretty clear they have no concern over getting into trouble with a GM for anything they say or do.

i'm not going to say anything on our server in global chat or submit another ticket to complain about getting screwed over and cause more griefing from that tribe or their GM friend, but even though i was the first person on the whole server and we started building a base at the waterfall cave before the other tribe put foundations behind us in the cave and in front of us outside of the cave so we couldn't even put down more campfires (which seems like "boxing in a tribe and preventing them from building at their own base" that is explicitly listed as not allowed in the PVE rules), the tribe that boxed us in had a GM remove our behemoth gate to the base at the entrance to the cave. i had already put in a ticket about them boxing us in, and my brother put in a ticket about our behemoth gate disappearing. a GM replied to his ticket and said our behemoth gate was removed because blocking access to caves was not allowed. a different GM replied to my initial ticket and said there wasn't anything he could do in our situation. no response as to the whole "boxing in" thing, just said they couldn't discuss our situation any further.

we didn't want to cause any additional griefing from that big tribe or their GM friend, so i'm not saying anything about it in global chat in our server and i avoid getting involved in the griefing discussions when i do happen to check out what is going on in global chat. we just want to be left alone and recover from how much that set us back with getting off to a quick start before all of the good locations for bases and traps were taken.

we just shifted to a new location in the redwoods that was way less populated than the highlands. the tribe that boxed us in has put in a new behemoth gate to make a base out of the cave we left (even though their GM friend who deleted our behemoth gate there told my brother blocking access to that cave was not allowed). All of the other GMs i've come across have always seemed like they just wanted to be helpful within the limits of what they could do or were supposed to do and i never got the impression they allowed their "friends" to take advantage of their friendship to abuse their power and screw over other players (this was an Official server, after all, not a private server), so all we can do is hope the same tribe, or another tribe with a GM buddy with situational ethics , doesn't decide they want to take over our new base location, as well.

we're just gonna try to lay low and try to survive.

good luck to you

Wow...okay then. I'd like to think favoritism isn't present here, but that sounds very suspicious...

If that tribe put their own behemoth gate up, then report them. AND report what this GM told you since that sounds like some very false info AND favortism. I wouldn't just sit around and survive after that, I'd do some report and demand justice. It sounds like they did a very scummy move and that shouldn't be present in a GM. Cave building is turned off by default on official PVE servers I thought, so any caves that are still build-able should be far game I'd think (I could be wrong on no cave building being active on PVE officials. I don't play on them).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Lothorn    1

All of the facts are not being presented here. A GM did remove a behemoth gate and the reason he did it, was because the entrance to our base was blocked off. The OP didnt mention that we were indeed there first and that they build a thatch wall to block us out. After that, they started laying down foundations and we were unable to build next to our campfires and storage containers outside. A few days after that, they put up a Behemoth gate to completely lock us out of our base.


A GM logged in, checked whatever he needed to and said that he was tearing down their behemoth gate. We said they would just put it up again (which they did) and he said to pillar them off so they cant (we chose not to do this). He said if they do it again, submit another ticket and he will deal with it again. The OP is not telling the truth when he says the GM told him that no cave blocking was allowed, as the gate was not removed for blocking the cave, it was removed for denying us access to our base.

 Furthermore, just to show how dastardly we are, they said they were looking for a new location, we gave them the structures to build half of their new base. On top of that, we escorted them there on our own time during which time they lost some dinos. They assumed they were dead, well we found them for them days later and took them to them. We also gave them a level 74 allosaur saddle, free of charge, made with our materials because they were too low level to make one and had 6 allosaurs.

You have heard false facts and false accusations here today. We have no GM friend. We never said we did. A GM joined our tribe to deal with the situation and then left immediately after he was done. There is no favoritism, only a GM doing what the rules stated. He was taking down their gate because it blocked us in. This was told to the OP and he started to second guess his brother on who was actually there first. The proof is in the pudding, our foundations were in there, they built in front of us. Maybe they knew it, maybe they didn't, either way, the GM looked at the facts and passed judgement.
 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Anarki    42
On 06/09/2017 at 11:45 PM, jer2911tx said:

the first cave we were at had a couple of metal veins, that was it.

 

Well, if there are no other metal veins nearby then it would make it hard for players in the local vacinity to get any. I would refrain from blocking these minerals/resources off, but that is just me. 

I don't believe there are any rules specifically, but if you weren't allowed to build there, it would be red when placing the foundation.

In general though, it is frowned upon and you may upset players if you do this. Also, by building too close to metal veins with foundations - this can stop the metal from spawning.

If your new cave doesnt have minerals, I would just leave a small access route so players can still access it but feel free to put up your behemoth gate for your own access and protection.

Edited by Anarki

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Jostabeere    720
19 minutes ago, Anarki said:

Well, if there are no other metal veins nearby then it would make it hard for players in the local vacinity to get any. I would refrain from blocking these minerals/resources off, but that is just me. 

I don't believe there are any rules specifically, but if you weren't allowed to build there, it would be red when placing the foundation.

In general though, it is frowned upon and you may upset players if you do this. Also, by building too close to metal veins with foundations - this can stop the metal from spawning.

If your new cave doesnt have minerals, I would just leave a small access route so players can still access it but feel free to put up your behemoth gate for your own access and protection.

You can get metal from any big rock though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ragnarok is designed with metal and other resource deposits scattered all over the place, it's not usually concentrated in one small (easy to block off) area.  And the observation that many caves on that map are specifically designed to be built in is quite correct.  While I"m not ruling out that a GM might say some of the caves are off limits, it doesn't really make much sense for the vast majority of them.

This is why I stressed that if everything is as described in the OP, the simple solution is to report it and have it reviewed.  When that obvious solution was avoided, with the reply " we didn't want to cause any additional griefing from that big tribe or their GM friend" the handwriting was on the wall as to how accurate the OP was.

If nothing else, this thread serves as an object lesson in "don't believe everything you read, and save your outrage until you can verify the facts".

Edited by ranger1presents
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
jer2911tx    1
15 hours ago, Lothorn said:

All of the facts are not being presented here. A GM did remove a behemoth gate and the reason he did it, was because the entrance to our base was blocked off. The OP didnt mention that we were indeed there first and that they build a thatch wall to block us out. After that, they started laying down foundations and we were unable to build next to our campfires and storage containers outside. A few days after that, they put up a Behemoth gate to completely lock us out of our base.


A GM logged in, checked whatever he needed to and said that he was tearing down their behemoth gate. We said they would just put it up again (which they did) and he said to pillar them off so they cant (we chose not to do this). He said if they do it again, submit another ticket and he will deal with it again. The OP is not telling the truth when he says the GM told him that no cave blocking was allowed, as the gate was not removed for blocking the cave, it was removed for denying us access to our base.

 Furthermore, just to show how dastardly we are, they said they were looking for a new location, we gave them the structures to build half of their new base. On top of that, we escorted them there on our own time during which time they lost some dinos. They assumed they were dead, well we found them for them days later and took them to them. We also gave them a level 74 allosaur saddle, free of charge, made with our materials because they were too low level to make one and had 6 allosaurs.

You have heard false facts and false accusations here today. We have no GM friend. We never said we did. A GM joined our tribe to deal with the situation and then left immediately after he was done. There is no favoritism, only a GM doing what the rules stated. He was taking down their gate because it blocked us in. This was told to the OP and he started to second guess his brother on who was actually there first. The proof is in the pudding, our foundations were in there, they built in front of us. Maybe they knew it, maybe they didn't, either way, the GM looked at the facts and passed judgement.
 

 

- my brother can't log in from work right now, but he says:
 
- my brother did not begin to second-guess who was there first. i was the first person on the whole server and both of us were both mining metal from the back of the cave and had placed foundations at the entrance to the cave and placed the smithie, forge, etc. before the first person from your tribe showed up. if you'd like to know who it was and ask them exactly who was there first, i can DM you his name for you to ask. i can understand if you want to believe your tribe mate and not us, but ask yourself...if it was the first day on a new server and you were starting off at level 1, if you were at the cave first would you put down thatch foundations at the front of the cave and put your bed, smithie, forge, etc. at the front and plan on parking dinos in the back of the cave and assume nobody would be a jerk and start placing foundations behind you in the 2nd half of the cave, or would you put your thatch foundations in the back half and not place thatch foundations at  the front to indicate the cave was being claimed and worry about putting up a gate later?
 
- since we had planned on it being a short-term spot while we got started, we were fine with moving on and not causing any more conflict. we appreciate your tribe helping us relocate and giving us a saddle, and at the time we assumed it was because your 1st guy there told you we really were there first and you felt bad for boxing us in. we told your tribe we'd be happy to PIN code some thyco traps we would be building in the redwoods nearby if you wanted to use them to show them we didn't want to hold a grudge and just wanted to move on. 
 
- we were fine with moving to a longer-term base location, as we had originally planned and didn't want to cause any additional conflict and didn't join any complaints in global chat about griefing and didn't submit another ticket for a GM to actually look at the logs for who was there first to figure it out. running to the waterfall cave first was just a short-term arrangement for lower levels that required no structure to have a safe spot to start, so if your first guy there had asked if you could use the back of the cave while you got set up and made a more permanent structure, we would have been cool with that, but your first guy there placed structures as close as he could to us and we couldn't even add additional campfires, then you boxed us in like we were the ones who just showed up and boxed you in. like i said, i know you weren't the first in your tribe to get there, and i can't blame you for believing your guy if he still says he was there first.
 
- i can tell you who the first person from your tribe to arrive after us was if you want to know. if he is the only one in the tribe who knows the truth and told the guys who came later to join the tribe that he was there first, i can understand how your tribe would be upset about someone boxing them in and why you were dragging our bodies to the water to drown us while we were logged out. we were upset about having to waste time dealing with the issue on the initial server start. we were a bit surprised someone would start off a new server by pulling that kind of move when we would have been fine sharing access to help others get started off at low levels if he had just asked and been cool about it. with a lot of people in your tribe, you may not worry about what others think or say about your tribe, which is fine. at a minimum, your tribe-mate has no problem flat-out lying to his fellow tribe-mates and has no problem doing things that reflect poorly on his tribe, whether they care or not.
 
- we are fine with moving on and aren't holding a grudge and don't want to cause any additional conflict. we're not talking trash about your tribe in global chat and not pushing the issue and didn't submit a ticket to have a GM actually check the logs to rectify the situation according to the facts. we were planning on relocating to a different spot and just using that as an outpost, anyway. the point of this post was not to call you or your tribe out for what happened, but to not end up in a similar situation with a cave on a beach area at another spot on the map, and to see if it was ok to block access in any way to a cave without an artifact (because the GM who did reply to my brother's ticket he submitted asking about why the behemoth gate disappeared said the cave entrance should remain unblocked). since a couple of your went out of their way to help us relocate and gave us an allo saddle, we were fine with just moving forward and not blaming the entire tribe for 1 person being a jerk. 
 
- it doesn't matter now, but if you really want to know the truth about the matter, you can submit a ticket to a GM and tell the GM they know they are busy, so no rush, but if they do get a chance to check the initial logs and see who was there first (seems easy enough...day 1 on that server...what was the first activity at the waterfall cave in the highlands at 18.3 78.8?), you'd like to just know if the guy from your tribe was flat-out lying or not to at least know whether or not you can believe your tribe-mate and know to expect more conflict from his actions in the future. if i was in a big tribe and knew i could trust another guy from a tribe more than a tribe-mate and my tribe-mate was doing things that reflected poorly on my tribe, i'd at least want to know.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ChunkyMonkey    15

after reading the reply about the GM ide report them for the same thing blocking access  and while doing that just move to another server sounds like your life on that server will be just a pain in the ass dealing with people like that, ide just start my own server or go to a private server with proper GM/Admin 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now