spacejam Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Scrymgarr said: oh so were just supposed to accept things when they change them? not discuss them and explain our point of view on why we think this change will do more harm to the game we love then good? at least they are trying something. they could just sit back and do nothing, you gotta remember they are GOD they can do damn well what they please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodlez Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, spacejam said: at least they are trying something. they could just sit back and do nothing, you gotta remember they are GOD they can do damn well what they please Not really, people will say get lost, they have no people on the server so no reason to pay for empty server and the game closes. Who's the god then? *Sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkintellect Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, spacejam said: you gotta remember they are GOD they can do damn well what they please Not much of a deity with this level of success regarding this long standing issue. They can do what they please, but apparently not what works. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrymgarr Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Wodlez said: Not really, people will say get lost, they have no people on the server so no reason to pay for empty server and the game closes. Who's the god then? *Sigh* King/Queen is a better analogy i would say cause your peasants can always rise up and revolt...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enio Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I have to post again.. Such a Raptordilo idea! That most arrogant Tribe on our PvE now just put a ceiling on their pillars covering while blue ob area, effectively ruining the whole reswource spawns. WC, wth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodlez Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Scrymgarr said: King/Queen is a better analogy i would say cause your peasants can always rise up and revolt...... King before the queen? Sexist much!! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrymgarr Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Wodlez said: King before the queen? Sexist much!! ?? honestly alphabetical but if you wanna call me one sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotix Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 So basically you can just add a ceiling to your pillars to prevent 12H demo. Just adding an extra step to claiming land. Sucks to lose resource spawns though. I will say, I saw maybe 10+ Stegos, Brontos, Trikes all spawning in one spot lol it was a herbivore party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkintellect Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Rotix said: So basically you can just add a ceiling to your pillars to prevent 12H demo. Just adding an extra step to claiming land. Yes, but if you want a more low profile and not delete spawns and resources in the area by doing that, fence foundation + pillar still works the exact same as double pillars but has normal decay and is the same height as a single pillar. I personally have no idea why players did double pillars when pillar+Fence foundation was better anyway but I stopped questioning people's build choices a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotix Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Interesting, I seem to be misreading comments or simply failing to understand. So double pillars does in fact prevent the 12H demo as well as the fence + pillar? I thought pillars without spawn blocking structures gets the 12 hour decay, and fence isn't spawn blocking? Sorry for the confusion, I'm confused too lol. I've tried playing on a PVE a few times and never had a chance to build. When this new map came out, I finally was able to pillar land for myself, spent hours doing it yesterday. Wish I could keep land without losing spawns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkintellect Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rotix said: Interesting, I seem to be misreading comments or simply failing to understand. So double pillars does in fact prevent the 12H demo as well as the fence + pillar? I thought pillars without spawn blocking structures gets the 12 hour decay, and fence isn't spawn blocking? Sorry for the confusion, I'm confused too lol. I've tried playing on a PVE a few times and never had a chance to build. When this new map came out, I finally was able to pillar land for myself, spent hours doing it yesterday. Wish I could keep land without losing spawns Pillars alone regardless of how many are stacks poof. Pillar + fence foundation = 8/12/15 day timer depending on the material. Anything on regular foundations also applies to the same decay as I detailed. This was as of a few hours ago when I noticed one of my neighbors lost about 70-80 double pillars. My Pillar + Fence foundation were unaffected so I went to another guys who did the same, their pillar + fence foundation combo were at 11 day 13 hour timer (stone is a 12 day decay). That's what you have to do now if you want to prevent resource and spawn denial, Pillar + fence foundation. The thing is, it shows WC didn't think this plan through and regardless of what they do, this methodology just doesn't work. Expect Pillar + fence foundation to get nerfed, then they will make only foundations work in which say goodbye to spawns as players established will prefer to do this over letting players build. This is why I detailed my method on page 2. I have gone through every possible permutation, solution and mechanic and only that seemed to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotix Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Interesting, looks like I have work to do lol thanks for the input Darkintellect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted June 14, 2017 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Darkintellect said: That's what you have to do now if you want to prevent resource and spawn denial, Pillar + fence foundation. THe thing is, it shows WC didn't think this plan through and regardless of what they do, this methodology just doesn't work. Double pillars still shows regular timers as well. I believe they implemented it the same way as dinos/bases deletion; when it is rendered, if timers is lower than 12 hours it gets deleted. So the timers you see on fences + pillars might not be the actual timer as Jat stated: 17 hours ago, Jat said: Lone Pillars that are connected to non-spawn blocking structures will be destroyed on Official Servers after 12 hours.Decay time And since fence are non-spawn blocking structures, pretty sure they are included and you will have some surprises on connect soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkintellect Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, invincibleqc said: Double pillars still shows regular timers as well. I believe they implemented it the same way as dinos/bases deletion; when it is rendered, if timers is lower than 12 hours it gets deleted. So the timers you see on fences + pillars might not be the actual timer as Jat stated: And since fence are non-spawn blocking structures, pretty sure they are included and you will have some surprises on connect soon enough. All I know is every double pillar on my server has poofed, all that remains are pillar + fence foundations. When I check the decay timer, they all read the same as stone base structures, 12 day timer minus however long they were offline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted June 14, 2017 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Darkintellect said: ALl I know is every double pillar on my server has poofed, all that remains are pillar + fence foundations. When I check the decay timer, they all read the same as stone base structures, 12 day timer minus however long they were offline. Maybe fence are blocking spawns but in a lower radius than actual foundations? Who knows. Just saying that no matters what we build, it will get screwed. For instance, a base I built with pillar walls: Pretty sure the middle ones that are not linked to ceilings are now gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkintellect Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, invincibleqc said: Maybe fence are blocking spawns but in a lower radius than actual foundations? Who knows. Just saying that no matters what we build, it will get screwed. For instance, a base I built with pillar walls: Pretty sure the middle ones that are not linked to ceilings are now gone. Not sure honestly, I do know this change and the ambiguity with it all is a recipe for detrimental PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted June 14, 2017 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Darkintellect said: Not sure honestly, I do know this change and the ambiguity with it all is a recipe for detrimental PR. Yeah, this is a rushed fix so bobs and joes can have their thatch huts on the new map, will cause more harms than good on the long run that is for sure. Officials are getting garbage anyways. And now that they are done adding content, I believe the future of being entertained on ark are mods on unofficials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkintellect Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, invincibleqc said: Yeah, this is a rushed fix so bobs and joes can have their thatch huts on the new map, will cause more harms than good on the long run that is for sure. Officials are getting garbage anyways. And now that they are done adding content, I believe the future of being entertained on ark are mods on unofficials. If that's the case, I'm officially done honestly. I can't do unofficial with PVE anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidalblade Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I have a huge base built using pillars as foundations for ceilings(don't have to connect the pillars to the ceilings for them to be built) so I hope this doesn't bring that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted June 14, 2017 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, tidalblade said: I have a huge base built using pillars as foundations for ceilings(don't have to connect the pillars to the ceilings for them to be built) so I hope this doesn't bring that down. If it was 12 hours expired when game updated, it probably is all gone. Let us know, the more people sharing stories about how it screwed them the better for devs to realize the non-sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidalblade Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I'd love to check, but i'm locked outta the game cause of server caps, another great aspect of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidalblade Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Well it looks like this method of building is still viable, my big dino pen survived when my double pillars around my base did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkintellect Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, tidalblade said: Well it looks like this method of building is still viable, my big dino pen survived when my double pillars around my base did not. Likely because those pillars are chain linked. They operate on a different mechanic since that mechanic is required to float ceilings, something I know about quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidalblade Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 yea, I was worried, because some of the earlier pics looked like they were doing the same thing, and those pillars went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeeta Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Second worst design choice after the flyer-nerf. Great job WC. RIP my water pen. Really threw the baby out with the bathwater on this one. I want my 500+ stone pillars reimbursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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