CosmicSkeleton

I'm well aware of that. It's part of the post you quoted my guy.

Been holding my tongue on the new vote since it won't affect me in baseline ASE but I'm inclined to agree with this here, if only because it gets tiring seeing OPs make over the top suggestions they likely know fullwell won't make it in but throw on anyway for the hype. Looking back on it that practice started and should have ended at dinopithecus using guns. Most people aren't going to take into account to the fact that suggested abilities will more than likely be cut. They'll just see the super flashy ideas and pictures and vote only to later be upset that the acid spitting, super damage sponge beetle with two different mounted turrets they thought they'd get just turned out to be a tanky dung beetle you can ride that might get a single gun like the andrew.

For officials most definitely. Hope ya got a few hundred bucks sitting around to buy a ps5 and the game that you already own but tweaked to look nice, elsewise you'll have to join us unofficial players.

Kinda reminds me of another title that dropped while using a big name actor to garner attention. One that was also delayed multiple times and came out an incomplete buggy mess with most of the things promised never introduced to the game. Even recently released an animated series hoping to win back people's attention. It was set in the far off year of 2077. Now what was it called? Failurepunk? Cyberflop? Oh, right! Cyberpunk. Wildcard and snail games are basically doing a cyberpunk on us. Only without the actually trying to fix their game for free even if it is a bit late bit. Figures they'd ape the failures of cdprojekt red without also bothering to mimic the attempts to fix their mistakes free of charge.

We did. That's how supply and demand works. They work hard to make something, we give them money because we like that something. We aren't owed their free time by any means, but when they're on the clock pumping out a product we are absolutely owed an even exchange of value between said product and the money we work hard to earn. If a restaurant slops down a raw half, eaten but well seasoned steak medallion on your table after you ordered a medium rare ribeye and tells you they'll get it right if you pay again do you think it fair?

Maybe because trying to charge for dinosaurs doesn't work in a game that allows trades and you shouldn't charge people for improvements and fixes to your product that was defective at launch.

You seem to be basing the idea that they'll earn more on the assumption people will just buy ark 2 en masse. Chances are any profit they make after this little stunt they've pulled will be negligible, certainly not nearly enough to put them in the black.

Actually I am. Now rather than being able to BS numbers by throwing the package deal numbers on a spreadsheet wildcard and snail games will have to hope ark 2 can stand entirely on its own merits. Now people can choose to just not get ark 2 if they don't want it rather than having it hang onto the product they actually want like a leech on the nethers of ASA.

As much as I'd prefer not to, on this one thing I'll play devils advocate for these buffoons. That fault there lies on Sony's part for not securing rights for a same day release.

Everyone knew that already. The issue isn't that they're being shutdown, that was inevitable. Its that they're being shutdown to be immediately resold to people, some of whom lack the resources to get it even if they wanted to. It's essentially forcing the issue in an incredibly hamfisted way. The fact that I as someone who plays unofficial can see that while people I presume are official players cannot is worrying. I can tell if ignorance on the matter is genuine or willful.

But is the upside worth condoning and supporting a bad faith practice that may embolden more bad faith practices? Had it gone through, had they sold off a preorder of A2 with ASA and it turned out to be an absolute trash fire they could easily have saved face with investors and share holders by saying it was a hit by showing those bloated numbers from players that bought ASA and couldn't get a refund without sacrificing the game they wanted

Paying for an added product we know next to nothing about with the few things that are known being largely disliked is beyond foolish. Why pad their sale numbers on a product we haven't even seen in action?

I can almost forgive the ASA thing for bundling the dlc and removing A2, but let's not pretend that this is some little oopsie and you just misjudged things while having good intentions. You people know full-well that it was about being able to fudge sale numbers and you would have let it ride if a majority of the community hadn't come down on you like a hammer. Call me jaded but hiking up the price by ten dollars just smacks of trying to squeeze out an extra penny since the original plan fell flat. While I'm happy for players that actually have the ability and interest to get ASA, the new creature vote really doesn't excite me this time around either seeing as it's something that not everyone will get to enjoy unless we've all been good little consumers and shelled out cash, be it for a new console, the game itself, or both. The sensible thing would've been to make it something to release for both parties, if only to act as a balm to soothe tempers and remind everyone that this is a community. This just turns it into a case of the haves and have nots. I suppose if nothing else I'll give you lot credit for not meeting my abysmally low expectations and making rhynio exclusive to ASA.

They could weasel out of it by pointing out official and SP still work

The funniest thing about that guy's argument is saying "I want to start from scratch and experience it all over again". Like what? My brother in Christ, you can do that with baseline AsE if you just delete your character. He's so npc brained that he both forgot that's an option and failed to realize not everyone wants to just build from zero, especially if they've had the same setup for a while. A lot of players that have been on since the game came out were likely younger and had more free time at their disposal then that isn't available now.

Not so mucha slap as a hard finger flick to each one. Flicks hurt far worse than any slap or punch

Honestly the issue is still finding the damn things. Somehow two years later scalpers still have a stranglehold on the things in my neck of the woods

Valve is acceptable, granted it'd mean we'd never get an ark 3

But if they do that how can they milk you for more money? Honestly this is one of those things the big ark content creators should be blasting onto the web to screw over the greedy bastards. It's too late for those that missed the window for a refund but every coin not added to their coffers from this point on hurts them. After all it can't have been cheap to hire on Vin as a VA, may as well make the process of paying him even harder.

I don't tackle all of your points because you're posting walls of text whereas I being the criminally lazy goon I am prefer quick and concise points focused on the things I pipe up on unless something really vexes me into dragging it out. I skim for the points of interest and generally disregard everything else unless explicitly necessary to address. Some people will quit and likely move to unofficial or simply drop the game but not all of them will. If even one person stays put then it's still a net positive, if the people that choose to quit miss the window for a refund then why should wildcard care? They have your money, they clearly don't care about proper server maintenance, consumer satisfaction, or bugs so why should they care about a low player count? The Timmy point doesn't show anything about my mentality, it's to highlight the issue that while some are getting up to speed with beginner basics the alphas will already be halfway through the metal era. The funny thing in all this is I don't even play official, I run my own unofficial server cluster. I just really dislike the idea of people losing their work and being told to double dip into their wallets to get the dubious privilege of doing it all again from zero. It's nothing like building up a base and having an alpha steamroll it since you can at least attempt to fight back and walk away knowing you tried, it's more akin to watching a meteor the size of New Mexico barreling at you and knowing you can do nothing. The thought of it disgusts me.

*plays bass boosted "you are a pirate" with devious intent*

Wait you fail to take into account is that not everyone just up an quits after getting crushed on a server. Some simply move to a different server or try again because its part of the game's mechanic or simply out of sheer spite. You're using your frustration at a practice that existed long before ark (rookie crushing) to say that it's a contributing factor when in truth it's not; wildcard has simply always been run by incompetent buffoons. New servers with everyone is essentially reset to zero won't change the issue you harp on because eventually they're either going to build back to where they were before or someone else will. The difference you fail to take into account there between those alphas and Timmy the new kid is that the alphas will know exactly what to rush to get back up to speed while Timmy will still just be learning you have to forcefeed narco berries to things to keep torpor.

The more I think on it the more I realize that this is why companies shouldn't love their customers but instead be absolutely mind numbingly afraid of them. A company that knows that their consumer base will metaphorically (or literally) burn their entire enterprise to the ground if they get out of line is a company that strives to keep its playerbase happy. No one in their right mind would bother using that knowing that it will all go poof in about four months.

That's a lot of anger for someone with such a pathetically poor understanding of the issue. It sounds like you're mostly just mad at alpha tribes wiping you and projecting the idea that everyone upset is part of that alpha group rather than people that hate the fact that 7 years (if you can't into math that's roughly 2,556 days, 61, 349 hours, or 4,504,800 minutes including a leap year) of work will go down the drain with no way to fight it while being told to re-purchase the product they already own to start from zero.

There's humor…just at the sheer absurdity of the situation and the gall of this half baked company to pull a stunt like this.