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15 minutes ago, GP said:

Yes, that's where my confusion was it seems, I had PC hosting stuck in my mind as a PC server with backend access and access to the INIs etc as PC hosting is normally. So that confusion my end is my mistake. Glad it's cleared up though.

Not only you, your fellow mod joeblow - but it's no big deal. I was just a little concerned you had 'new/secret' info is all

I always expected the exact same version as I have on the Xbox, because after all that is pretty much what Play Anywhere is. I'm not quite clear yet as to what Jen meant where she mentions the 'second copy' - I mean I know you get a digital version for both platforms but whether you can use both at the same time? I imagine not, so in order to host a server I expect I'll still have to use my second Live account that hosted my Xbox server. That's not an issue at all though because I already have it plus a second copy of the game anyway. We'll find out soon enough!

20 minutes ago, Jatheish said:

You will be able to host a player dedicated server using your home computers via Xbox Play Anywhere, it will be identical to how Player Dedicated servers are hosted on your console right now (meaning you won't be able to see the server's "console"/the backend is hidden/there's no feedback from the server to the host unlike regular PC hosted servers).

*high five*

Thank you very much for the clarification.

15 minutes ago, GP said:

Ok lets take a look at that quote.

The part you bolded doesn't state home hosting, that would relate to provided hosting for example with Nitrado where you wouldn't need an extra copy of the game or a second console to do it.

This seems to be your take on it. I on the other hand put it with the other available information (see my 2nd edit) from over a year of asking about Play Anywhere and conclude differently.

As I said, there are 3 options and I sincerely hope (with all due respect!) that it is option 1 and you are just mistaken.

45 minutes ago, GP said:

As far as I understand you will not be able to host on a home PC next month. I can't recall what has been posted before, but my recent understanding is that to use PC hosting for Xbox will only be through game server providers, currently Nitrado, and in the future i'm sure will be others like PS4.

I suspect at some point in the future home hosting will be possible, but it is very unlikely that it will be next month when PlayAnywhere/CrossPlay is released.

In regards to "unofficial" we refer to EVERYTHING that is not an official server run by Wildcard hosted on Nitrado servers that is supported by Wildcard.

OK, I'll go back through various news/crunches now and dig out the quotes - because either 1) you understand wrongly, 2) you have been told something that the rest of us haven't or 3) WC have completely led us up the garden path for over a year regarding Play Anywhere. It has been explicitly asked and confirmed multiple times that we could just replace hosting a player dedicated server on a second console with the Windows 10 version. Given you can already host a home server using a second console and I see absolutely no reason for the Windows 10 version to differ from this in any way.

Edit: here's a good example of what I'm saying:

On 8/24/2017 at 4:33 AM, Jen said:

While I have you here, I have some Xbox news to share as well!

Originally our plan was to go out with Play Anywhere on our launch day but unfortunately that has now been pushed back until mid-September. However I do have some exciting news to share: with the use of Xbox and Windows 10 PC Crossplay (UWP) you can host your own server without needing an extra copy of the game or a second console to do it! (Though it is important to note that you will still be able to host a Player Dedicated server this way.) If you own ARK on Xbox, you get the Windows 10 PC version as well as the Xbox One X version for free and you can play with all your Xbox friends from your PC or either console. 

I'm not sure how that can be read as anything other than what I've said previously in this thread, but if it is not the case then some official, final, categorical confirmation from Wild Card staff would be good. I know people (myself included) who have sold their second consoles in anticipation of this Play Anywhere release because it seems crystal clear from the above that we can use our Windows 10 PC's.

Edit 2: and another recent example, from @Jatheish:

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ARK Play Anywhere!

This is just a brief update on ARK: Play Anywhere, as we know a lot of you are excited about it (as are we!). It will be entering final submission this week for Xbox One (OneX) and Windows 10. We are expecting to complete the cert process in December for a release alongside Aberration. Alongside this, we plan to launch some Official Servers which will support CrossPlay but will not be enabling it for our entire network, due to anti-cheat mitigations. Unfortunately, TruePlay is not quite ready yet but we are hopeful that BattlEye will be able to make it onto the platform, until then we won't be doing much crossplay on our Official Servers, however, players will have the option to enable crossplay on their servers, be it hosted on an Xbox, PC, or rented through Nitrado.

Again - seems pretty clear to me.

43 minutes ago, invincibleqc said:

Just want to point out that you are talking 'future" while Joebl0w13 is talking "present".

You're kidding, right?

Because I'm sure that if you went back a page and saw Aednat's original question (the one that starts with "will" implying future) that I responded to (to which Joebl0w13 then responded to) and the following posts, and put it all into the context of the original post that we're responding to... Then I really doubt a mod would be as unhelpful as to not say "not right now, but in just under 3 weeks you can".

4 hours ago, Joebl0w13 said:

Not on your own PC. Only hosted through Nitrado at the moment. 

Dude, are you still going to keep on with this without even addressing what I brought up earlier? What exactly are you defining as "unofficial" here?

If Aednat means "can I use the Windows 10 Play Anywhere version of the game to host a server that Windows 10 and Xbox players can connect to" then as I stated - what @Jen, @Jatheish etc have posted numerous times already makes this as clear as day - the answer is yes. It'll be no different to having a 2nd Xbox and hosting a server on that.

1 hour ago, Aednat said:

Dangetttttt. Thank you. 

20 minutes ago, GP said:

If you are wanting to run your own unofficial server then yes you will need to rent from a Host like Nitrado.

So whether you consider the feature is free or not depends on how you look at it. But I don't believe it was ever stated that you can self host on a home PC

What is the difference in terminology here between 'unofficial server' and 'self host on a home PC'? It's confusing - surely both are unofficial?

It absolutely, categorically was stated that you'll be able to "self host on a home PC" - albeit in slightly different terms to your sentence. With the Windows 10 version, you just host a server on that and other Windows 10 and Xbox clients can connect to it. This is the "cross play" element although as I stated earlier, it's only kind of cross play because it's really technically all on the same (Microsoft) network. A PC running the Windows 10 version is no different to having a second Xbox and hosting a server that way.

15 minutes ago, ElCobrito said:

But why would I not be able to have a dedicated server on a linux box and have it serve both win10 and xbox users? Nitrado servers are no different than dedicated steam servers, so what's the matter? What I'd like to do is host my own xbox/win10 server on my own linux machine (or pc, whatever, but I don't want to have a PC on 24/7 when I've already got a linux server for that)...

Well, this is the result of a specific benefit that Microsoft has created - the Play Anywhere initiative - which publishers can choose to take advantage of. It basically means you buy the game on the Xbox or Windows 10 Store and you can play it on either operating environment. Essentially, it's the same game code as the Xbox is just a heavily customised Windows PC underneath it all so releasing the game on both platforms is easier. "Cross Play" isn't really true cross-platform play in this instance (like it would be between Xbox and PS4, or Xbox and Steam for example) because the games are essentially the same* - although there are of course differences in the Windows version because of the user's ability to be able to run additional programs which is impossible on the console, hence the anti-cheat stuff.

What you're proposing may be possible if you want to run a Win 10 VM on your Linux box? No idea if VM's are good enough thesedays (in terms of graphical power etc) to handle it mind. I don't think you can just visit the Windows 10 Store from your Linux web browser, sign in with your Microsoft account and install ARK though - pretty sure it's all heavily tied into Windows 10. That's why you need to use the app from the Store to even order a Nitrado Xbox server. I have no idea how the official servers are run in terms of their server configuration (although you'd safely assume they're not the same as the Nitrado servers that we can rent ourselves!), but the option to run one simply isn't possible any other way for consoles.

3 hours ago, Joebl0w13 said:

Only if it’s hosted on the Nitrado servers. 

You won’t be able to host an Xbox cross play server on your own PC. 

Er... what? Are we talking at cross-purposes here, or are you saying that when I get the Win 10 version on my PC and fire up a server, I cannot connect to it from my Xbox?

Because if you are saying the latter, that is explicitly not what has been proposed numerous times by Jen (e.g. towards the end of this post) etc. You even quote it yourself!

If you're talking about something else, then ... explain?

12 hours ago, Aednat said:

Will we be able to host an Xbox dedicated server on a pc when anywhere is released? From reading other things I am thinking yes but. After reading this, I'm not so sure. Can anyone provide some info on this? Pretty please?

You will be able to host an unofficial server on the PC using the Windows 10 Store version of the game. This does not involve Steam in any way. From the OP:

On 11/21/2017 at 11:35 PM, Jen said:

Xbox Play Anywhere

In addition to the Aberration update, barring any cert issues, Xbox will receive the Play Anywhere update on December 12th. This update will allow crossplay between the Windows 10 version of ARK and the Xbox version. Survivors will be able to choose to allow crossplay on their unofficial servers or non-dedicated sessions with a simple checkbox on the host menu. 

This essentially says that you will be able to allow Windows 10 users (again, NOT Steam users!) and Xbox console users to play on your server if you so wish.

50 minutes ago, BTrickshot said:

People need to stop overreacting about the servers i mean whats so important about it, the way i see it, is that servers are a place where jerks and trolls hang out to ruin people's day. P.s love aberration cant wait for it, I understand delaying it we dont want a bunch of bugs and glitches in a DLC that people payed money for.

The way you see it is simply one way of looking at it. The reason many people want servers is because we want to host our own, with friends. One of the (many) benefits of this is it'll be away from the trolls (and lag, tame caps etc) of official servers.

Many of us aren't even playing the game now, we're just waiting for the servers to become available.

Given that the Nitrado ones are delayed, I don't even want to think about what impact this will have on the Play Anywhere version

14 hours ago, All8iversons said:

Are we only going to be able to rent servers or will we be able to host a dedicated server for our Xbox from our PCs?

You should be able to do the latter when the Play Anywhere version releases in the Win 10 Store. @Jat hasn't committed to a release date for that yet though, just said that they'd have more news when it's ready.

14 minutes ago, seXikanac said:

I'm not asking about moving from old to new, I'm asking will all new servers be in one large CrossARK cluster or they will be made of clusters that will hold 4 servers each and you can't move from one cluster of 4 servers to another. As if they will be in one large cluster within a month it will be same situation as on old servers or it will kill on site as on current  Ragnarok servers

Yes I know what you're asking. But because you can't move from old/new then you have to expect that the large majority of the new servers will be free to move among. As for smaller clusters, it has been sort of answered already by Jat - they aren't sure if there will be more 'small cluster' batches in the new server set as yet, they haven't decided completely how they'll be provisioned.

8 minutes ago, Toto said:

I don't want to be the one complaining, but I have holidays and still can't play on my favorite ark server (Scorched earth official 818). The server is down for 4 days now and when I check websites it is still on v262.12. I know you are already working on it, but I'm a little bit disappointed, that is takes you 4+ days to update a server. When there is a different problem let me know, I don't want to do false accusations.

and yes I already submitted a server report about 2 days ago

This isn't the thread for server reports. Tried submitting an outage report?

50 minutes ago, seXikanac said:

From State of the Game, I didn't had clear answer. Will those new servers all in one cluster with CrossARK enabled but separate from old (Legacy), or we will have 4 servers in they own clusters and people will not be able to move from those 4 clusters to another 4 clusters?

It's stated in several answers that there will be no ability to move between 'new' and 'legacy'. So that looks to be the only defining characteristic, otherwise the 'new' servers will just be the same in that you can transfer between them as you can now - you just cannot move to the legacy ones (or vice versa). Think of it as a separate network segment if you like, with a firewall rule between new and legacy preventing communication.

Whether the new servers will also include Primitive+, PGM, Extinction, No-Tame and all the other varieties has not yet been answered. Although in the case of the Extinction/PGM servers I doubt there's a need for 'new' ones for those, given they reset every 30 days anyway.

I really don't understand the negativity around this move, seems to be a lot of tinfoil hat nonsense in here.

There had to be a fresh environment for the game's launch because it not only made sense (coming out of EA, implementing all the various code fixes for dupes etc), it would be fair to the people paying full price for the game! You can't expect someone coming home from the store with their $60 game to have to complete with an established alpha tribe who've got where they are by cheating and duping stuff. I mean, they still can take that route if they want by joining a server from the legacy pool, but that'd be reserved for the pure sadists, surely

Once you accept that, there are surely only 2 options - wipe the servers completely, or do what they've done here. They're even going beyond what I'd have expected with regards to offering up the saved games from the servers that will get re-purposed in case people want to use them.

9 minutes ago, mphelan49 said:

Thanks for the update, much appreciated. @Jat can you confirm if the new servers will allow transfer from legacy servers? I am hoping not as this would defeat the point of a new server, as the mega dupers can just come across with there hundreds of duped gear/dino's and establish themselves straight up. I very much look forward to starting on a new server with Alphas/Mega tribes that have gained there status through fair means, and having the real PVP element of the games intact. This will also allow for genuine Alpha's/Megas to support new players/solo players without the pain of worrying about dupers.

It states in the article dude:

where players will get to have a fresh experience on the ARK; across all four maps with no influence from any of the previous servers

3 hours ago, tydar said:

So if I buy the Xbox version and I get a Windows 10 copy with it, can I use that PC version to play with people that are playing on windows computers using the Steam version that they bought during the Early Access?  Is that also considered PC version?

Been answered multiple times already, but no - "Windows 10 Store Version" is probably what it should be referred to, as it will be obtained through that with your Microsoft account which is, of course, the account you use on your Xbox which is how you're able to own both versions. You'll be able to play with other Windows 10 Store and Xbox gamers.

Steam is an entirely separate delivery system and nothing to do with the Windows 10 Store, or Cross Play/Buy.

15 hours ago, brynandtoby10000 said:

Yeah on my xbox i have all those stuff seagull titanosaur redwood in center and everything try again looking

I'm assuming this is sarcasm rather than just plain lies...?!

6 hours ago, DanteOrbit said:

Dude, the Titan, Pelagornis and Redwood biome are already on Xbox!!!

Check if you have the lastest updates.

4 hours ago, Wolfeman said:

Bro we have all of those Dino's, apparently your not a true ark survivor so please don't hate when you don't know what your talking about

4 hours ago, Dustycrow333 said:

Uhhh idk what upsets me more the fact you posted this or that 3 people liked it. We've had this for months. Have you tried updating?

He's clearly talking about the fact there is no Redwood biome yet on The Center, no Pelagornis on that map either and Titanosaur's are currently invisible.

6 hours ago, Mcredstoner said:

will the Tapejara Be comeing to scorched earth

According to @Jeremy Stieglitz on twitter, yes!

Thanks for answering a couple of my questions - pleased that we'll get a simple "eat all" button for XB1