Community Crunch 428: Club ARK Steampunk Ascent Expansion

[hazelnutter]

You want to tell me WC is continuing to fail their players and therefore is running out of money (even with the P2W DLCs) so they need to shut down a bunch of servers? Shocker..

[aikkam]

I see a lot of people complaining about losing thousands of tames, advanced structures and much more. Really?! The mega tribes that killed the servers are complaining that WC will close the servers they killed? It's incredible, you complain about losing thousands and thousands of tames and various items when you are the ones who chased away all the smaller tribes making the server a desert, you complain that WC doesn't want to maintain a server just for you and your group?

The only madness here is that tribes that can potentially fill an entire server are still allowed to exist. The mega tribes, the biggest evil of ark, are complaining about the death of the servers, incredible.

WC wake up, it's simple math and logic, in servers of 70 people there shouldn't be groups with more than a dozen people, otherwise it's obvious that the smaller groups are eliminated and the server sterilizes itself, why would anyone start playing on a server where a tribe with 30 40 50 or more people has established itself? what's the point of playing on a server like this? why would anyone in their right mind want to buy the game now and then have to compete with such large groups? WC did you also realize the problem and opened the small tribe servers but you didn't add the orp functionality to these servers making them useless for their purpose how can a group of 2 3 4 people defend their base all day without dedicating their whole life to the game, something that no sane person would do for obvious reasons or do you want to force your players to sacrifice their whole life to the game also ruining their physical and mental health? fortunately the players have patched the problem by creating alliances to defend themselves but in doing so they have recreated surrogates of the mega tribes, making the small tribe servers fail in their purpose.

The same mega tribes once dominated a server, rightly have no more incentives and must invade other servers however, for fear of losing everything they have obtained with the commitment of many people they hardly fight each other creating a stalemate where only the mega tribes remain, driving away many players and preventing the entry of new ones.

At the risk of repeating what should be logical, mega tribes are not sustainable for a game that wants to maintain a good number of players. 

To all the players who might feel offended by my clear and logical speech I want you to know that I am absolutely not blaming you players but WC who allowed this insane mechanism to be established in the game because he was unable to predict the consequences of his choices. 

[MasonZX10]

Sort out plant z. Wilds aren't giving seeds, and the range on plants are awful. They stop nameless to make it easier to build in blue so you reduced the range from 7 to 2. It's like you want people to spam build and put more pressure on the servers. 

[davetherave]

So the server I've been working on for months is getting deleted GG wildcard if you go ahead with this decision I will be requesting a refund for game and bobs tall tales 

[JUN111]

Our server currently has four or five small tribes playing together, but our server is still on the list to be deleted. So, may I ask about the wildcard? Could you please let us know the basis for your deletion? Otherwise, even if we establish a tribe on the new server, we still cannot avoid being deleted.

[kellevandosII]

12 hours ago, aikkam said:

I see a lot of people complaining about losing thousands of tames, advanced structures and much more. Really?! The mega tribes that killed the servers are complaining that WC will close the servers they killed? It's incredible, you complain about losing thousands and thousands of tames and various items when you are the ones who chased away all the smaller tribes making the server a desert, you complain that WC doesn't want to maintain a server just for you and your group?

The only madness here is that tribes that can potentially fill an entire server are still allowed to exist. The mega tribes, the biggest evil of ark, are complaining about the death of the servers, incredible.

WC wake up, it's simple math and logic, in servers of 70 people there shouldn't be groups with more than a dozen people, otherwise it's obvious that the smaller groups are eliminated and the server sterilizes itself, why would anyone start playing on a server where a tribe with 30 40 50 or more people has established itself? what's the point of playing on a server like this? why would anyone in their right mind want to buy the game now and then have to compete with such large groups? WC did you also realize the problem and opened the small tribe servers but you didn't add the orp functionality to these servers making them useless for their purpose how can a group of 2 3 4 people defend their base all day without dedicating their whole life to the game, something that no sane person would do for obvious reasons or do you want to force your players to sacrifice their whole life to the game also ruining their physical and mental health? fortunately the players have patched the problem by creating alliances to defend themselves but in doing so they have recreated surrogates of the mega tribes, making the small tribe servers fail in their purpose.

The same mega tribes once dominated a server, rightly have no more incentives and must invade other servers however, for fear of losing everything they have obtained with the commitment of many people they hardly fight each other creating a stalemate where only the mega tribes remain, driving away many players and preventing the entry of new ones.

At the risk of repeating what should be logical, mega tribes are not sustainable for a game that wants to maintain a good number of players. 

To all the players who might feel offended by my clear and logical speech I want you to know that I am absolutely not blaming you players but WC who allowed this insane mechanism to be established in the game because he was unable to predict the consequences of his choices. 

little genius. Who will play this game then if not us?
you 2 hours on weekends a week in your rat hole?
we are the main timer on the servers breeding, building, wars.
on my server play little guys but I see that they come for an hour a day
while on my base to feed the dino takes 2-3 hours of time
not we killed this game and when WE are gone there will be no one here at all

[MMaas]

1 hour ago, kellevandosII said:

little genius. Who will play this game then if not us?
you 2 hours on weekends a week in your rat hole?
we are the main timer on the servers breeding, building, wars.
on my server play little guys but I see that they come for an hour a day
while on my base to feed the dino takes 2-3 hours of time
not we killed this game and when WE are gone there will be no one here at all

To be fair, you would be surprised how many people would rejoin PvP again if there was a bit more balance in favour of smaller tribes.

Edited September 29, 2024 by MMaas
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[aikkam]

2 hours ago, kellevandosII said:

piccolo genio. Chi giocherà a questo gioco se non noi?
Tu 2 ore nei weekend a settimana nella tua tana di topi?
Noi siamo il timer principale sui server di riproduzione, costruzione, guerre.
Sul mio server giochiamo con i piccoli ma vedo che vengono per un'ora al giorno
mentre sulla mia base per nutrire il dinosauro ci vogliono 2-3 ore di tempo,
non abbiamo ucciso questo gioco e quando NOI non ci saremo più non ci sarà più nessuno qui

are you serious? tell me how many games force players to form huge groups to play? there are many examples practically all successful games lead to forming groups of 3, 4 people at most you get to 8, maybe because the majority of human beings do not want to play together with 50 strangers they have never seen before, damn even palword although inferior in many aspects has sold 100 times more than ark 

[aikkam]

2 hours ago, kellevandosII said:

piccolo genio. Chi giocherà a questo gioco se non noi?

What's the point of this question? ARK in this state only allows you to play, if it changed many more people would play.  You are the only ones playing because others can't, and the pitiful numbers of players is the irrefutable proof. 

[aikkam]

2 hours ago, kellevandosII said:

Tu 2 ore nei weekend a settimana nella tua tana di topi?

no, the millions of players who don't play this game now because it is so unbalanced 

[aikkam]

2 hours ago, kellevandosII said:

Sul mio server giochiamo con i piccoli ma vedo che vengono per un'ora al giorno

are you complaining that people play an hour a day if you are serious? how much should a person play in your opinion? 3 4 5 hours? don't you understand that almost no one can do that? who can play so much only those who do nothing from morning to night or those who after finishing school or work sit in front of the playstation / xbox or pc for the rest of the day, I don't think it's necessary to remind you but I'll do it anyway, it's not a very healthy behavior to encourage. 

[aikkam]

2 hours ago, kellevandosII said:

Tu 2 ore nei weekend a settimana nella tua tana di topi?

I never talked about time spent. Let's take an example, you and 3 or 4 other friends have a lot of time available to play, now I ask you, would you play on a server where a mega tribe with 50 or more people has its main base and no matter how much you and your friends can commit, the mega tribe will always crush you by exploiting its number of players or would you prefer to play on a server where there are no mega tribes?  

[aikkam]

3 hours ago, kellevandosII said:

Noi siamo il timer principale sui server di riproduzione, costruzione, guerre.

1 I don't understand what you mean when you talk about reproduction, if you're talking about mutations what do you want me to tell you? Obviously you're the only ones who could use such a sick mechanic? Spend thousands and thousands of hours to get the desired mutations, maybe if the mutation system was different for example if a creature could only have 20 mutations as it was thought at the beginning of Ark maybe even smaller groups could use them 

2 construction: are you referring to all the pillars that mega tribes use to cover entire msppe? 

3 wars: what wars are you talking about? most raids are against offline and smaller bases. 

[kellevandosII]

56 minutes ago, aikkam said:

are you serious? tell me how many games force players to form huge groups to play? there are many examples practically all successful games lead to forming groups of 3, 4 people at most you get to 8, maybe because the majority of human beings do not want to play together with 50 strangers they have never seen before, damn even palword although inferior in many aspects has sold 100 times more than ark 

literally every mmorpg
 

 

26 minutes ago, aikkam said:

I never talked about time spent. Let's take an example, you and 3 or 4 other friends have a lot of time available to play, now I ask you, would you play on a server where a mega tribe with 50 or more people has its main base and no matter how much you and your friends can commit, the mega tribe will always crush you by exploiting its number of players or would you prefer to play on a server where there are no mega tribes?  

i physically can't bring more than 6 people because these are small tribes
4 people can defend a spot, even one if he's not an idiot
the game is unbalanced towards defense

[aikkam]

3 hours ago, kellevandosII said:

piccolo genio. Chi giocherà a questo gioco se non noi?
Tu 2 ore nei weekend a settimana nella tua tana di topi?
Noi siamo il timer principale sui server di riproduzione, costruzione, guerre.
Sul mio server giochiamo con i piccoli ma vedo che vengono per un'ora al giorno
mentre sulla mia base per nutrire il dinosauro ci vogliono 2-3 ore di tempo,
non abbiamo ucciso questo gioco e quando NOI non ci saremo più non ci sarà più nessuno qui

However I do not want to deny that some may like to play in very large tribes, ark would have the possibility to satisfy everyone by making various types of servers that allow everyone to play in the best possible way. 

for example: servers with 100 seats like in the old ark where large tribes can compete with each other creating large clashes, 70-seat servers similar to the small tribe servers with the orp functionality to actually allow playing in small groups, pve servers and then you could add the hardcore, no-tek and other versions to add variety to the game, allowing a huge number of players in ark as it should do since it practically has no rivals ark except palword which, being inferior in everything, has sold much more  

[aikkam]

3 minutes ago, kellevandosII said:

4 persone possono difendere un posto, anche uno solo se non è un idiota
il gioco è sbilanciato verso la difesa

against 50?  

[aikkam]

5 minutes ago, kellevandosII said:

letteralmente ogni mmorpg

if I remember correctly it's not a game that's very popular lately, and in any case the successful ones can be counted on the fingers of one hand and Ark is not among them 

[kellevandosII]

17 minutes ago, aikkam said:

1 I don't understand what you mean when you talk about reproduction, if you're talking about mutations what do you want me to tell you? Obviously you're the only ones who could use such a sick mechanic? Spend thousands and thousands of hours to get the desired mutations, maybe if the mutation system was different for example if a creature could only have 20 mutations as it was thought at the beginning of Ark maybe even smaller groups could use them 

2 construction: are you referring to all the pillars that mega tribes use to cover entire msppe? 

3 wars: what wars are you talking about? most raids are against offline and smaller bases. 

1 so now you want to tell me that it's my fault and that I'm preventing you from playing using game mechanics?
yes, I want dinosaurs stronger than the others have, this is a game about dinosaurs and they decide a lot here
2 are we really talking about smalltribes? no one here covers the entire map with foundations. only strategically important places
3. we play 24/7 my last fob was 5 days and yes there are many people here who sit on fobs for days on 1x it can last even longer. This is again the mechanics of the game which I understand you also blame ME for

and we come to the conclusion that you do not know how to play the game and do not know how to negotiate and therefore my server should disappear. but you know what the problem is there will be no place for you in this game anyway.

[aikkam]

15 minutes ago, kellevandosII said:

il gioco è sbilanciato verso la difesa

1: with a mutated and equipped stegosaurus you can make the towers useless, not to mention the co-penetration of the structures on the platforms that allow you to use explosives to hit people, tames and structures behind the walls and these are just 2 examples 

2If I remember correctly, besieging a fortress is not an easy thing, defending it should logically be easier. 

[aikkam]

4 minutes ago, kellevandosII said:

1 quindi ora vuoi dirmi che è colpa mia e che ti sto impedendo di giocare usando le meccaniche di gioco?
sì, voglio dinosauri più forti degli altri, questo è un gioco sui dinosauri e qui decidono molto
2 stiamo davvero parlando di piccole tribù? nessuno qui copre l'intera mappa con fondamenta. solo luoghi strategicamente importanti
3. giochiamo 24 ore su 24, 7 giorni su 7 il mio ultimo fob è durato 5 giorni e sì ci sono molte persone qui che stanno sedute sui fob per giorni su 1x può durare anche di più. Questa è di nuovo la meccanica del gioco per la quale capisco che tu dia anche la colpa a ME

e giungiamo alla conclusione che non sai come giocare e non sai come negoziare e quindi il mio server dovrebbe scomparire. ma sai qual è il problema non ci sarà comunque posto per te in questo gioco.

sorry but I absolutely would not allow myself to blame you for anything, as I wrote in one of my last messages ark would have the possibility of satisfying everyone  

[aikkam]

8 minutes ago, kellevandosII said:

e giungiamo alla conclusione che non sai come giocare e non sai come negoziare e quindi il mio server dovrebbe scomparire. ma sai qual è il problema non ci sarà comunque posto per te in questo gioco.

I played ark solo for years my tribe was called daigurren on an official ps4 orp server, I had my base in the crystal islands in the swamp area with the floating islands, I beat the bosses of the island on medium level and others like the queen of the wyverns and the manticore on easy level, I often chatted with other tribes all without having to hide in any rat hole while I was studying for my degree and I trained in acrobatic gymnastics and parkour dedicating an hour and a half to ark almost every day. avoid talking about my skills as a player when you don't know me  

[aikkam]

3 ore fa, kellevandosII ha detto:

3. giochiamo 24 ore su 24, 7 giorni su 7 il mio ultimo fob è durato 5 giorni e sì ci sono molte persone qui che stanno sedute sui fob per giorni su 1x può durare anche di più. Questa è di nuova la meccanica del gioco per la quale capisco che tu dia anche la colpa a ME

Sicuramente la cosa più sana che puoi fare 

a day is made up of 24 hours, 8 hours are spent sleeping, another 8 working/studying, another 8 are left if you and your companions really play all 8 hours of free time or more sacrificing sleep or work/study then you should worry about the grave that you will soon fill not ark. But I can't care but encouraging this style of living is crazy plus if you die it's obvious that the servers empty. 

Edited September 29, 2024 by aikkam

[aikkam]

21 minutes ago, kellevandosII said:

2 stiamo davvero parlando di piccole tribù? nessuno qui copre l'intera mappa con fondamenta. solo luoghi strategicamente importanti

no I have almost never talked about small tribes, the only time I did it was to comment on their uselessness without the orp function 

[aikkam]

24 minutes ago, kellevandosII said:

e giungiamo alla conclusione che non sai come giocare e non sai come negoziare e quindi il mio server dovrebbe scomparire. ma sai qual è il problema non ci sarà comunque posto per te in questo gioco.

since you can't argue with what I say, you try to offend me by saying that I don't know how to play? In the meantime, many people in the forum ask and complain about the pillars, the blocking of caves, the obelisks, the absence of orp and other special servers like hardcore, the possibility of disabling foliage, shadows and more and many other aspects of the game that make it unplayable for 95% of people who lead a normal life at the same time the number of active players is always decreasing so much as to allow WC unfortunately to close some servers because they are abandoned or almost 

[Grewa]

19 hours ago, aikkam said:

I see a lot of people complaining about losing thousands of tames, advanced structures and much more. Really?! The mega tribes that killed the servers are complaining that WC will close the servers they killed? It's incredible, you complain about losing thousands and thousands of tames and various items when you are the ones who chased away all the smaller tribes making the server a desert, you complain that WC doesn't want to maintain a server just for you and your group?

The only madness here is that tribes that can potentially fill an entire server are still allowed to exist. The mega tribes, the biggest evil of ark, are complaining about the death of the servers, incredible.

WC wake up, it's simple math and logic, in servers of 70 people there shouldn't be groups with more than a dozen people, otherwise it's obvious that the smaller groups are eliminated and the server sterilizes itself, why would anyone start playing on a server where a tribe with 30 40 50 or more people has established itself? what's the point of playing on a server like this? why would anyone in their right mind want to buy the game now and then have to compete with such large groups? WC did you also realize the problem and opened the small tribe servers but you didn't add the orp functionality to these servers making them useless for their purpose how can a group of 2 3 4 people defend their base all day without dedicating their whole life to the game, something that no sane person would do for obvious reasons or do you want to force your players to sacrifice their whole life to the game also ruining their physical and mental health? fortunately the players have patched the problem by creating alliances to defend themselves but in doing so they have recreated surrogates of the mega tribes, making the small tribe servers fail in their purpose.

The same mega tribes once dominated a server, rightly have no more incentives and must invade other servers however, for fear of losing everything they have obtained with the commitment of many people they hardly fight each other creating a stalemate where only the mega tribes remain, driving away many players and preventing the entry of new ones.

At the risk of repeating what should be logical, mega tribes are not sustainable for a game that wants to maintain a good number of players. 

To all the players who might feel offended by my clear and logical speech I want you to know that I am absolutely not blaming you players but WC who allowed this insane mechanism to be established in the game because he was unable to predict the consequences of his choices. 

U r rigth!