Community Crunch 349: ARK 2 Carnotaurus Concept, EVO Extension, and More!

[BigDodo27]

On 2/18/2023 at 2:33 PM, Hellx87 said:

Love the Carno's body (one of my favorite dinos), but not the horns, they are freakin ridiculous in this size imo. From the concepts so far, it looks like you are exaggerating certain key features of dinos, please don't do that, stick with more realistic proportions, there is still plenty of room for stylizing/creativity when it comes to other details that are less known to science.

This couldn't be more true, but the only problem with a realistic carno, for the people who aren't as into the historical accuracy, they might leave the game and then ARK would lose funding.

[Maria064]

On 2/20/2023 at 11:48 PM, CosmicSkeleton said:

Pretty sure most fossils that come out of china at this point are either real and end up in some rich dudes private collection or fake and reconstructed out of multiple different fossils or materials. That aside weren't maniraptorians one of the few groups that we knew had species that were feathered?

Most likely not. Here more info.
Birds Did Not Evolve from Dinosaurs, Say Evolutionists
Oregon State University scientists have released a new study debunking the alleged evolution of dinosaurs into birds.

Oregon State University scientists have released a new study debunking the alleged evolution of dinosaurs into birds.
Birds did not evolve from dinosaurs: what creationists have been pointing out for years is now  buttressed by new research.
The study focuses on the relationship between birds’ leg and pelvis anatomy and their breathing system, and notes the
absence of that relationship in dinosaurs. This is only the latest volley in the debate over bird evolution.
 Expect to hear either a sharp, vocal response from other evolutionists—or total silence.

Background The research hinges—almost literally—on the femur (upper leg bone) of birds. Unlike other walking creatures, a bird’s femur does not move significantly, and birds instead articulate the lower portion of their leg to walk or run. Quick’s surprising discovery is that this “knee running” anatomy, with nearly fixed femur bones and musculature, is crucial in preventing a bird’s air-sac lung from collapsing whenever the bird takes a breath.

Quick explained, “This is fundamental to bird physiology. It’s really strange that no one realized this before. The position of the thigh bone and muscles in birds is critical to their lung function, which in turn is what gives them enough lung capacity for flight.”

Dinosaurs lack this fixed femur, however, and that includes the theropod dinosaurs from which birds supposedly evolved. Oregon State zoologist John Ruben, a coauthor on the paper, commented, “Theropod dinosaurs had a moving femur and therefore could not have had a lung that worked like that in birds. Their abdominal air sac, if they had one, would have collapsed. That undercuts a critical piece of supporting evidence for the dinosaur-bird link.”

He continued, “It’s really kind of amazing that after centuries of studying birds and flight we still didn’t understand a basic aspect of bird biology.” Ruben added that the appearance of birds before dinosaurs in the fossil record is a “serious problem” that is ignored by those who advocate dinosaur-to-bird evolution “That’s quite possible and is routinely found in evolution. It just seems pretty clear now that birds were evolving all along on their own and did not descend directly from the theropod dinosaurs, which lived many millions of years later,” 

[loudplatipus]

On 2/17/2023 at 4:43 PM, Cancan001 said:

Thick44 rest easy legend! We need a statue with thick44 and cooter to remember them, and now they fly together and forever in our hearts 

We should have a statue of him on the island or rag in his honor.

[loudplatipus]

i dont understand how you can choose this

over this

 

[CosmicSkeleton]

2 hours ago, Maria064 said:

Most likely not. Here more info.
Birds Did Not Evolve from Dinosaurs, Say Evolutionists
Oregon State University scientists have released a new study debunking the alleged evolution of dinosaurs into birds.

Oregon State University scientists have released a new study debunking the alleged evolution of dinosaurs into birds.
Birds did not evolve from dinosaurs: what creationists have been pointing out for years is now  buttressed by new research.
The study focuses on the relationship between birds’ leg and pelvis anatomy and their breathing system, and notes the
absence of that relationship in dinosaurs. This is only the latest volley in the debate over bird evolution.
 Expect to hear either a sharp, vocal response from other evolutionists—or total silence.

Background The research hinges—almost literally—on the femur (upper leg bone) of birds. Unlike other walking creatures, a bird’s femur does not move significantly, and birds instead articulate the lower portion of their leg to walk or run. Quick’s surprising discovery is that this “knee running” anatomy, with nearly fixed femur bones and musculature, is crucial in preventing a bird’s air-sac lung from collapsing whenever the bird takes a breath.

Quick explained, “This is fundamental to bird physiology. It’s really strange that no one realized this before. The position of the thigh bone and muscles in birds is critical to their lung function, which in turn is what gives them enough lung capacity for flight.”

Dinosaurs lack this fixed femur, however, and that includes the theropod dinosaurs from which birds supposedly evolved. Oregon State zoologist John Ruben, a coauthor on the paper, commented, “Theropod dinosaurs had a moving femur and therefore could not have had a lung that worked like that in birds. Their abdominal air sac, if they had one, would have collapsed. That undercuts a critical piece of supporting evidence for the dinosaur-bird link.”

He continued, “It’s really kind of amazing that after centuries of studying birds and flight we still didn’t understand a basic aspect of bird biology.” Ruben added that the appearance of birds before dinosaurs in the fossil record is a “serious problem” that is ignored by those who advocate dinosaur-to-bird evolution “That’s quite possible and is routinely found in evolution. It just seems pretty clear now that birds were evolving all along on their own and did not descend directly from the theropod dinosaurs, which lived many millions of years later,” 

You're using quotations but I need a link to a source dude. As an aside convergent evolution is a thing. Animals evolve similar features all the time despite not actually being related. Take for example anteaters and pangolins, two entirely different animals from entirely different ecosystems who's only connection is that they're both in class mammalia. In spite of they they've both evolved forelimbs and tongues designed for digging up ant/termite mounds to devour the occupants. Feathers may not necessarily be a sign that one became another, they may just be something that came about because for one reason or another they made the animal with them more successful and thus got passed on to future generations. 

Edited February 23, 2023 by CosmicSkeleton

[Joebl0w13]

33 minutes ago, loudplatipus said:

 

We already have a Quetz.

Edited February 23, 2023 by Joebl0w13

[loudplatipus]

20 hours ago, Joebl0w13 said:

We already have a Quetz.

But the quetz is very outdated and has little to no uses. And they are just a standard knockout tame.

[Joebl0w13]

3 minutes ago, loudplatipus said:

But the quetz is very outdated and has little to no uses. And they are just a standard knockout tame.

I wish they would retool it. Make it useful again.

[loudplatipus]

1 hour ago, Joebl0w13 said:

I wish they would retool it. Make it useful again.

Yea i hope they do a huge tlc overhall.

[Maria064]

22 hours ago, CosmicSkeleton said:

You're using quotations but I need a link to a source dude. As an aside convergent evolution is a thing. Animals evolve similar features all the time despite not actually being related. Take for example anteaters and pangolins, two entirely different animals from entirely different ecosystems who's only connection is that they're both in class mammalia. In spite of they they've both evolved forelimbs and tongues designed for digging up ant/termite mounds to devour the occupants. Feathers may not necessarily be a sign that one became another, they may just be something that came about because for one reason or another they made the animal with them more successful and thus got passed on to future generations. 

Modern birds found with dinosaurs
https://creation.com/modern-birds-with-dinosaurs

Theropod Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds? Not Likely, Says Study
https://www.science20.com/news_articles/theropod_dinosaurs_evolved_birds_not_likely_says_study

Fossil shows birds evolved before dinosaurs
https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2000/06/23/142745.htm

Why birds are NOT descended from dinosaurs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1192019/Why-birds-NOT-descended-dinosaurs.html

More Proof That Dinosaurs Lived with 'Later' Creatures
https://www.icr.org/article/more-proof-that-dinosaurs-lived-with
 

[Joebl0w13]

36 minutes ago, Maria064 said:

Modern birds found with dinosaurs
https://creation.com/modern-birds-with-dinosaurs

Theropod Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds? Not Likely, Says Study
https://www.science20.com/news_articles/theropod_dinosaurs_evolved_birds_not_likely_says_study

Fossil shows birds evolved before dinosaurs
https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2000/06/23/142745.htm

Why birds are NOT descended from dinosaurs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1192019/Why-birds-NOT-descended-dinosaurs.html

More Proof That Dinosaurs Lived with 'Later' Creatures
https://www.icr.org/article/more-proof-that-dinosaurs-lived-with
 

Most of that is credited to Carl Werner’s "work". Which isn't scientific research at all. He's a religious hack who wanted to sell DVDs and Youtube videos. He hasn't contributed a single thing to the scientific community. Nothing presented for peer review. 

That's a long way of saying, most of those sources are not based on scientific research. 

[CosmicSkeleton]

47 minutes ago, Maria064 said:

Modern birds found with dinosaurs
https://creation.com/modern-birds-with-dinosaurs

Theropod Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds? Not Likely, Says Study
https://www.science20.com/news_articles/theropod_dinosaurs_evolved_birds_not_likely_says_study

Fossil shows birds evolved before dinosaurs
https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2000/06/23/142745.htm

Why birds are NOT descended from dinosaurs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1192019/Why-birds-NOT-descended-dinosaurs.html

More Proof That Dinosaurs Lived with 'Later' Creatures
https://www.icr.org/article/more-proof-that-dinosaurs-lived-with
 

Gonna have to side with Joe on this. It's more or less equivalent to trying to defer to Jack "the Rex was whack" Horner for information regarding the lifestyle of tyrannosaurus. Lots of speculation but without someone to back it, it's hard to just take it at face value.

Edited February 24, 2023 by CosmicSkeleton

[Haumea]

On 2/23/2023 at 8:35 PM, Maria064 said:

Most likely not. Here more info.
Birds Did Not Evolve from Dinosaurs, Say Evolutionists
Oregon State University scientists have released a new study debunking the alleged evolution of dinosaurs into birds.

Oregon State University scientists have released a new study debunking the alleged evolution of dinosaurs into birds.
Birds did not evolve from dinosaurs: what creationists have been pointing out for years is now  buttressed by new research.
The study focuses on the relationship between birds’ leg and pelvis anatomy and their breathing system, and notes the
absence of that relationship in dinosaurs. This is only the latest volley in the debate over bird evolution.
 Expect to hear either a sharp, vocal response from other evolutionists—or total silence.

Background The research hinges—almost literally—on the femur (upper leg bone) of birds. Unlike other walking creatures, a bird’s femur does not move significantly, and birds instead articulate the lower portion of their leg to walk or run. Quick’s surprising discovery is that this “knee running” anatomy, with nearly fixed femur bones and musculature, is crucial in preventing a bird’s air-sac lung from collapsing whenever the bird takes a breath.

Quick explained, “This is fundamental to bird physiology. It’s really strange that no one realized this before. The position of the thigh bone and muscles in birds is critical to their lung function, which in turn is what gives them enough lung capacity for flight.”

Dinosaurs lack this fixed femur, however, and that includes the theropod dinosaurs from which birds supposedly evolved. Oregon State zoologist John Ruben, a coauthor on the paper, commented, “Theropod dinosaurs had a moving femur and therefore could not have had a lung that worked like that in birds. Their abdominal air sac, if they had one, would have collapsed. That undercuts a critical piece of supporting evidence for the dinosaur-bird link.”

He continued, “It’s really kind of amazing that after centuries of studying birds and flight we still didn’t understand a basic aspect of bird biology.” Ruben added that the appearance of birds before dinosaurs in the fossil record is a “serious problem” that is ignored by those who advocate dinosaur-to-bird evolution “That’s quite possible and is routinely found in evolution. It just seems pretty clear now that birds were evolving all along on their own and did not descend directly from the theropod dinosaurs, which lived many millions of years later,” 

I might be wrong but if you look at Archeopteryx and early cretaceous birds (which still have many non-avian fearures, such as claws), you can see the femur slowly retreating as we go forward. Dinosaurs and Birds did live together, becouse they split during the late Jurassic period. But again, i might be wrong since i did not do as many research as you did, but it's also hard to find information about Cretaceous Bird Femurs.

[CosmicSkeleton]

1 hour ago, Haumea said:

I might be wrong but if you look at Archeopteryx and early cretaceous birds (which still have many non-avian fearures, such as claws), you can see the femur slowly retreating as we go forward. Dinosaurs and Birds did live together, becouse they split during the late Jurassic period. But again, i might be wrong since i did not do as many research as you did, but it's also hard to find information about Cretaceous Bird Femurs.

That's the trouble with paleontology. We have so little to work with; so few intact specimens, so many eons of evolutionary shifts yet undiscovered, so much land to cover, fossils swallowed or simply tossed about by the depths of an ever rising and falling sea and crushed to shale beneath its weight and tides. The land issue is particularly troublesome since spots containing fossils could very well have been uprooted and destroyed for the march of civilization. Who knows how much we've lost because farmer brown needed more land for crops or big daddy gubmint decided that some random patch of land would be the perfect spot to pave a new road that'll just be filled with potholes within the year because the ground was never stable enough for it.

[Maria064]

20 hours ago, CosmicSkeleton said:

That's the trouble with paleontology. We have so little to work with; so few intact specimens, so many eons of evolutionary shifts yet undiscovered, so much land to cover, fossils swallowed or simply tossed about by the depths of an ever rising and falling sea and crushed to shale beneath its weight and tides. The land issue is particularly troublesome since spots containing fossils could very well have been uprooted and destroyed for the march of civilization. Who knows how much we've lost because farmer brown needed more land for crops or big daddy gubmint decided that some random patch of land would be the perfect spot to pave a new road that'll just be filled with potholes within the year because the ground was never stable enough for it.

The big problem is also that so may scientist and  paleontologist refer to the Archaeoraptor as the missing link. to be the proof the dinosaurs became birds.
But they cant and should not  refer to it for it was proven to be a fake made by humans under the 90s.   but how can thy sit there and say its the missing link and proof for it  when it wasn't even a real animal? it never existed for its put together by different animals. one small land animal and some other things cant remember the name of it

Another link to it.  https://crev.info/2019/03/why-is-china-the-leader-in-feathered-dinosaur-fossils/

[CosmicSkeleton]

7 hours ago, Maria064 said:

The big problem is also that so may scientist and  paleontologist refer to the Archaeoraptor as the missing link. to be the proof the dinosaurs became birds.
But they cant and should not  refer to it for it was proven to be a fake made by humans under the 90s.   but how can thy sit there and say its the missing link and proof for it  when it wasn't even a real animal? it never existed for its put together by different animals. one small land animal and some other things cant remember the name of it

Another link to it.  https://crev.info/2019/03/why-is-china-the-leader-in-feathered-dinosaur-fossils/

Again it's hard to take that link at face value with Werner being a cited source

[Haumea]

12 hours ago, Maria064 said:

The big problem is also that so may scientist and  paleontologist refer to the Archaeoraptor as the missing link. to be the proof the dinosaurs became birds.
But they cant and should not  refer to it for it was proven to be a fake made by humans under the 90s.   but how can thy sit there and say its the missing link and proof for it  when it wasn't even a real animal? it never existed for its put together by different animals. one small land animal and some other things cant remember the name of it

Another link to it.  https://crev.info/2019/03/why-is-china-the-leader-in-feathered-dinosaur-fossils/

I don't think all 12 Archaeopteryx fossils are fake.

[CosmicSkeleton]

15 hours ago, Haumea said:

I don't think all 12 Archaeopteryx fossils are fake.

Also a valid point to bring up. Unless everyone conspired together to make each fossil have the same skeletal features down to minute details and then when through the painstaking process of making sure all of them got jumbled differently to make it look authentic it would be hard to believe that each one is fake. Maybe a handful are forgeries or piecemeal, but all of them? I don't see it.

[Myztii89]

How ridiculous is it that it's about to be March 2023 and we still have not been given an actual release date for ARK2?? I mean ALL the hyper around it and WILDCARD can't even be bothered with telling loyal players when to expect the new game!? 

 

It's so bloody frustrating!!!!

[GP]

3 minutes ago, Myztii89 said:

How ridiculous is it that it's about to be March 2023 and we still have not been given an actual release date for ARK2?? I mean ALL the hyper around it and WILDCARD can't even be bothered with telling loyal players when to expect the new game!? 

 

It's so bloody frustrating!!!!

We're getting an ARK roadmap next month so we might find out more then hopefully.

[xSpectre]

rip the wyvern king, you will always be remembered

 

[D13Hawk]

the carno is good

[ihamrod]

Yo espero que esté ark 2 no se me buge tanto como el primero 

[Sergini1369]

Guapísimo!

[Sergini1369]

estando acostumbrado a los gráficos de ARK esto se ve impresionante