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1 hour ago, pushforth said:

The problem with Game Studios being so political is it makes players like me, who firmly disagree with their stances, not want to buy their games anymore knowing that my money is going to help fund causes I abhor. With politics, especially today, it's an "us or them" mentality. When Wildcard makes posts like this, to people like me, Wildcard is positioning themselves as my opponent. How can I financially support my opponent?

The abortion debate is a long and tired one. Nobody will be convinced to change their mind, especially by a trivial thing such as a game developer. Wildcard is abusing their lines of communications to their customers/community.

Now, most of us see Ark 2 as dead on arrival already anyway... this just helps seal the deal. I can't hand money over to a political rival. Good going.

Then don't Clearly your fight against someone who supports women's health care shows just how backwards you really are. You talk of 'us or them' mentality, it is the mentality of today so wake up and see the bigger picture.

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3 minutes ago, JRabbit said:

Then don't Clearly your fight against someone who supports women's health care shows just how backwards you really are. You talk of 'us or them' mentality, it is the mentality of today so wake up and see the bigger picture.

It's not about women's healthcare, it's about children's health and life. And this really isn't the place for companies or people to argue about it. I want everyone to enjoy playing my favorite game of all time. WC shouldn't be chiming in on this at all driving the community apart. I said before I'd have the same issue with them if they came out in support of overturning Roe. This community isn't about politics, it's about bloody dinosaurs.

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One of my issues with the left is the way they brand themselves. For example, in the case of abortion, they classify it as "women's health", so that way, if someone tries to argue the point, they can just reply with:

13 minutes ago, JRabbit said:

Then don't Clearly your fight against someone who supports women's health care shows just how backwards you really are.

All of a sudden, if you're not fully left-wing, you become the most evil person on the face of the earth.

And to think, I thought their whole schtick was tolerance and acceptance. But clearly that only applies if you agree with them.

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2 minutes ago, TimeBomb2003 said:

One of my issues with the left is the way they brand themselves. For example, in the case of abortion, they classify it as "women's health", so that way, if someone tries to argue the point, they can just reply with:

All of a sudden, if you're not fully left-wing, you become the most evil person on the face of the earth.

And to think, I thought their whole schtick was tolerance and acceptance. But clearly that only applies if you agree with them.

Exactly. This is why people like Elon Musk keep saying "I didn't leave the left... the left left me." You used to be able to disagree with people and still love them, be friends, enjoy their company regardless of opposing views. Now, if a company like Wildcard doesn't virtue signal, they'll lose the support of a VERY SMALL NUMBER of VERY LOUD people (usually those with pink or blue hair). It's sad, really.

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They don't seem to care about the healthcare of the female inside of them they're killing. Why is it that they are all about choice except for making the right choice to prevent pregnancy in the first place? Why is the answer always have to be "clean up my mess"? You were irresponsible (99.9% of abortions are not what 99.99% of arguments in favor of abortion are about). Put the pain where it belongs.... not on the life you created inside you.

And if our society is considered WHITE MALE PATRIARCHY for having that stance, then so be it... because WHITE MALE PATRIARCHY then appears to on the side of right.

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1 hour ago, JRabbit said:

I for one am happy to see a company speak up about women's health care, we need all the support we can get. Because of this, Ark will be my biggest game I play and spend money on.

Except that it's not just women's healthcare being discussed here and there's a significant portion of the population that also believes there's the healthcare of the human life yet to be born that should be taken into consideration as well. Wildcard effectively alienated that portion with their needless drivel about a subject that unequivocally does not fall within the purview of the products or services they provide as a company. Thus, they stand to lose a not entirely insignificant amount of sales revenue on ARK 2 plus any additional DLCs as well as any other titles they intend on releasing in the future. Moreover, they likely have alienated a number of their own employees who for their own personal reasons, religious or otherwise, may not share the same view. All because Doug and the rest of the C-level execs at Wildcard couldn't resist running their collective mouths in a public space about a highly polarizing political subject. From a corporate perspective, the only objective should be to provide a good product/service while following all established laws and regulations for whatever space that corporation does business in. All else is, or rather should be, supremely irrelevant.

Instead of letting yourself get pandered to by a company that's obviously virtue signalling (and failing miserably at it, I might add), I recommend you evaluate whether or not a company's products or services are any good from a usability, quality, and practicality perspective exclusively. Exercise your political beliefs in the voting booth, where it'll actually make a real difference.

 

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3 hours ago, pushforth said:

Why is it that they are all about choice except for making the right choice to prevent pregnancy in the first place? Why is the answer always have to be "clean up my mess"? You were irresponsible (99.9% of abortions are not what 99.99% of arguments in favor of abortion are about).

The thing with that though is you're trying to lump every circumstance that doesn't involve some chick getting more trains run on her than a New York railway into .1% which is pretty disingenuous. Condoms can break, birth control can fail or be missed (granted the miss is on the fault of the user if they aren't keeping track), and someone may just decide "no means no" more of a suggestion. Trying to condense all of these instances into .1% is kinda crazy.

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21 hours ago, APerson1 said:

there are several lgbtq characters in ark lore, they've been "putting their views" in their work since the very beginning. they own the game, they can do what they want on their weekly forum posts.

There are two, and they're just L. Diana and Mei-Yin. The stuff with Helena and whoever got retconned in within the las six months

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Abortion was never a constitutional right. It was never mentioned within the constitution nor the bill of rights and the founding fathers would've rolled over in their graves at the idea that their work was used to justify 70 million murders. But at any rate, the federal government explicitly within the constitution has no powers except those which the constitution specifically gives it. All other powers are therefore state or local. The federal government never had the authority to broadly legalize abortion, and if they wanted to then they should've passed it as an Amendment. The Supreme Court merely recognized that this is a state issue and was always supposed to be, and returned it to the states to decide. If you live in California or New York, your state will probably have all abortions legalized under all circumstances no questions asked, possibly taxpayer-funded, within a week. About half the country will still have broad access to abortion. About half will have some or severe restrictions. Even in the red states, they still largely have exceptions for (doesn't let me use word for nonconsensual relations), so don't even bother bringing that up in your argument against me. If you don't like it, move to a state that still allows baby murder. And I'm not really interested in a China-owned company sounding off on American civil matters when they have zero interest in speaking out against the Uighur genocide currently going in China. Speak on all or speak on none.

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4 hours ago, CosmicSkeleton said:

The thing with that though is you're trying to lump every circumstance that doesn't involve some chick getting more trains run on her than a New York railway into .1% which is pretty disingenuous. Condoms can break, birth control can fail or be missed (granted the miss is on the fault of the user if they aren't keeping track), and someone may just decide "no means no" more of a suggestion. Trying to condense all of these instances into .1% is kinda crazy.

I personally don't even agree with the .1% of cases. It all depends on where you put value on life. It used to be that childbirth was considered a miracle. It was never something to be avoided. Only when we in western society became selfish and 100% wrapped up in our selves, our own wants and desires, did having children become a disease that should be avoided.

Go rob a liquor store, get shot or arrested, deal with the consequences.

Go overdose on drugs, get hospitalized or worse, deal with the consequences.

Go pick a fight with a dude twice your body mass in muscle and painfully deal with the consequences.

Go hook up with whomever you want, whenever you want, you get to murder your consequences because you shouldn't have to be responsible for your actions? Yes, 99.9%+ that's what we're arguing about. The remaining .1% isn't even worth mentioning unless we agree to ban all cases other than those .1%. Then we can have that harder conversation.

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28 minutes ago, pushforth said:

I personally don't even agree with the .1% of cases. It all depends on where you put value on life. It used to be that childbirth was considered a miracle. It was never something to be avoided. Only when we in western society became selfish and 100% wrapped up in our selves, our own wants and desires, did having children become a disease that should be avoided.

Go rob a liquor store, get shot or arrested, deal with the consequences.

Go overdose on drugs, get hospitalized or worse, deal with the consequences.

Go pick a fight with a dude twice your body mass in muscle and painfully deal with the consequences.

Go hook up with whomever you want, whenever you want, you get to murder your consequences because you shouldn't have to be responsible for your actions? Yes, 99.9%+ that's what we're arguing about. The remaining .1% isn't even worth mentioning unless we agree to ban all cases other than those .1%. Then we can have that harder conversation.

Your personal agreements and disagreements on the matter are irrelevant, what's required here is statistical data. Shooting out an incredibly disproportionate number like that comes off as ludicrous unless you have a credible and non biased source to back it. If you really want to quibble about dealing with consequences then like it or not abortion is in fact a form of dealing with a consequence, it's simply not a way of dealing with it that matches to your particular point of view. As an aside I don't think a woman that has a run in with ol' Cosby and his special sleepy time puddin pops is going to consider the aftermath of said run in as a miracle.

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Facepalming every post I make that runs counter to your belief system doesn't invalidate what I've said. Just so you know.

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7 hours ago, ThatPat99 said:

If you don't like it, move to a state that still allows baby murder.

That is just oversimplyfied bull crap and you know it.

7 hours ago, ThatPat99 said:

I'm not really interested in a China-owned company sounding off on American civil matters when they have zero interest in speaking out against the Uighur genocide currently going in China. Speak on all or speak on none.

This however, is a very good statement.

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I am proud of WC for supporting Roe V. Wade. It helped stop a lot of deaths from pregnancies that were unsafe (atopic) or forced pregnancies. SCOTUS has lost it's direction, but I'm glad a lot of people understand the honest hardship of having no choice versus having a choice. Those who want to force women to carry in this era don't seem to understand why some of us carry a metal coat hanger and say "We won't go back". No wonder some of my fellow players in Europe called and asked if I wanted to move yet :(.

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33 minutes ago, SaayaLaLa said:

I am proud of WC for supporting Roe V. Wade. It helped stop a lot of deaths from pregnancies that were unsafe (atopic) or forced pregnancies. SCOTUS has lost it's direction, but I'm glad a lot of people understand the honest hardship of having no choice versus having a choice. Those who want to force women to carry in this era don't seem to understand why some of us carry a metal coat hanger and say "We won't go back". No wonder some of my fellow players in Europe called and asked if I wanted to move yet :(.

I never understood the idea that abortion should be permitted so as to prevent "back alley abortions"... aka the use of metal coat hangers. You don't stop unwanted actions by taking away the negative consequences of those actions. If you are so against controlling yourself sexually to the point where you're willing to endanger your own life just to kill the child within you, then I don't see why anyone should stand in your way.

A few years of that and the problem will solve itself naturally.

A few years of forcing pregnant women to carry to term might just be all that's needed to change how people view intercourse. It might even make it more meaningful than the mindless transaction it has become.

 

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No matter the political views or favoring party of a game company's leaders, employees, and customers, and no matter the good intent for anyone involved from who's speaking out, political statement issues, such as a U.S. Supreme Court ruling stance of a company's employees or leadership, in my opinion, shouldn't be stated anywhere in video game communities. Because they can bring about political incite to customers, causing escalated hatred and aggression towards other customers and the game's company's own employees and associates, regardless of their stances.

I believe in my opinion the vocalization of this political stance publicly by the studio's employees within Ark's social media (Facebook, Twitter, Steam, and the official forums) is a bad move for the reason's stated above.

 

 

Edit to add more: I'm on the opinion that video game communities should be a place of respect to ensure everyone can enjoy themselves in them such as these forums and any other form of social media. It doesn't feel right to add political stance issues into them by anyone.

Here's a policy quote that I agree with from another official forum site that I'm a part of regarding politics: "These forums are used by individuals of all nations, beliefs and creeds. To ensure everyone can enjoy the forums we ask that you not post any threads or content that discusses political topics as they can cause offence and upset."

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On 6/24/2022 at 8:09 PM, HanchoChancho282 said:

second post i will not say what my view on this matter of abortion or gay rights  nor saying pro or no but i feel that as a company that it is not your right to put your views in a post and should just stick to the game news and related. this is also bothering me that u hve continued to done this as their are some who may find this offensive or they are to little to hear about this yet so if u could please dont put ur  views into this. i love ur game though. ty

 

Don't like it, then don't check their website. The devs are people, their employees are people. They have every single right to make any statement that they want. Cry about it

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1 hour ago, gabeluna27 said:

No matter the political views or favoring party of a game company's leaders, employees, and customers, and no matter the good intent for anyone involved from who's speaking out, political statement issues, such as a U.S. Supreme Court ruling stance of a company's employees or leadership, in my opinion, shouldn't be stated anywhere in video game communities. Because they can bring about political incite to customers, causing escalated hatred and aggression towards other customers and the game's company's own employees and associates, regardless of their stances.

I believe in my opinion the vocalization of this political stance publicly by the studio's employees within Ark's social media (Facebook, Twitter, Steam, and the official forums) is a bad move for the reason's stated above.

 

 

Edit to add more: I'm on the opinion that video game communities should be a place of respect to ensure everyone can enjoy themselves in them such as these forums and any other form of social media. It doesn't feel right to add political stance issues into them by anyone.

Here's a policy quote that I agree with from another official forum site that I'm a part of regarding politics: "These forums are used by individuals of all nations, beliefs and creeds. To ensure everyone can enjoy the forums we ask that you not post any threads or content that discusses political topics as they can cause offence and upset."

They disagree. And it's their company, they can do whatever the raptor they want with it. If you don't like abortion,don't get one. 

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2 hours ago, pushforth said:

I never understood the idea that abortion should be permitted so as to prevent "back alley abortions"... aka the use of metal coat hangers. You don't stop unwanted actions by taking away the negative consequences of those actions. If you are so against controlling yourself sexually to the point where you're willing to endanger your own life just to kill the child within you, then I don't see why anyone should stand in your way.

A few years of that and the problem will solve itself naturally.

A few years of forcing pregnant women to carry to term might just be all that's needed to change how people view intercourse. It might even make it more meaningful than the mindless transaction it has become.

 

Guess you agree with prohibition then?

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1 hour ago, PikaSaurus said:

Guess you agree with prohibition then?

Prohibition of abortion? Absolutely. I value life and never think it's right to kill a child for any reason.

But my opinion doesn't matter and shouldn't really be here. The only reason its here is because Wildcard decided to make it an important part of their online community.

I'm going to just assume you're not referring to alcohol, because that would be too silly to warrant a response.

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