L4D2 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 from what i understand you can use it on tamed dinos but not bred ones, but once your tamed dino got its mutagen boost, do the new stats gets transferred to offspring or is it just the base stat that gets transferred (like imprint boost doesn't transfer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealNomad Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Considering that wildcards goal with this map seems to be to destroy any longevety the game has by handing players everything they need with minimal work, this item seems to be designed to make breeding completely obsolete. So, assuming the worst here, it probably traansfers to the offspring. Why am i unhappy about this? Because ark 2 is still a ways off, and genesis 2 is going to rapidly destroy the longevity of the game possibly well before ark 2 is ready for Early access if they choose to go that rout (hopefully they will because the wait time for the full release of ark 2 is many years out given wildcards track record with release dates in the past.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L4D2 Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 well personally i would like to see the mutagen boost transfer, because as a solo player on official, breeding boss dinos takes ages so if we could have a boost to start with, it would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodking194 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 does the mutagen add in 20lvls per stat or divide the 20lvls up between the 4 stats it effects (health, stam, weight and melee). because if it divides the 20 lvls up then thats 5 lvls for each stat. i do agree on the idea that WC has handed alot of stuff to us without any effort put in. i like the idea of the mutagen. its a great item to use on non breedable creatures. and i hope the stats can be transferred through breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerH99 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 On 6/5/2021 at 5:32 PM, L4D2 said: from what i understand you can use it on tamed dinos but not bred ones, but once your tamed dino got its mutagen boost, do the new stats gets transferred to offspring or is it just the base stat that gets transferred (like imprint boost doesn't transfer) the new stats do get transfered last i checked but DONT USE MUTAGEN! use mutagel, it does the exact same thing at the same amount required (80-90 mutagel) except you dont need to gather 800 of an uncommon resource to make 6 of it. using mutagen instead of mutagel is an insane waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR-8R Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 It destroy any hope of a breedable drake / basilisk . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonark Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 On 6/5/2021 at 8:28 PM, RealNomad said: Considering that wildcards goal with this map seems to be to destroy any longevety the game has by handing players everything they need with minimal work, this item seems to be designed to make breeding completely obsolete. So, assuming the worst here, it probably traansfers to the offspring. Why am i unhappy about this? Because ark 2 is still a ways off, and genesis 2 is going to rapidly destroy the longevity of the game possibly well before ark 2 is ready for Early access if they choose to go that rout (hopefully they will because the wait time for the full release of ark 2 is many years out given wildcards track record with release dates in the past.) I really don't understand this complaint. If you're playing officials then you could already immediately progress to endgame prior to Gen 2 with almost no work, either by joining an existing tribe or if you're playing pve just easily trade for top stat lines. If doing that ruins the game for you, then just choose not to play that way. If you want to progress more slowly then just play through at your own pace. Don't like the shortcuts added by gen 2? Just don't use them. Think the Exo suit is OP to start with? Then just take it off and craft regular armor. No one is forcing you to play in the most efficient meta way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L4D2 Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 17 hours ago, TigerH99 said: the new stats do get transfered last i checked but DONT USE MUTAGEN! use mutagel, it does the exact same thing at the same amount required (80-90 mutagel) except you dont need to gather 800 of an uncommon resource to make 6 of it. using mutagen instead of mutagel is an insane waste. thank for letting us know, so the stat do transfer and you can use mutagel instead of mutagen, if it is true this is probably going to be patch soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfAshes Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Not sure if Single player settings are different somehow, but I mutated a Giga then bred it. The stats transferred to the newborn which I then also mutated. However when I bred the new mutated Giga again, it didn't get the mutation buff from the parent. So basically, you can can mutate a breeding line twice in total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodking194 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 17 hours ago, KingOfAshes said: Not sure if Single player settings are different somehow, but I mutated a Giga then bred it. The stats transferred to the newborn which I then also mutated. However when I bred the new mutated Giga again, it didn't get the mutation buff from the parent. So basically, you can can mutate a breeding line twice in total. mutagen and mutagel cant be used on bred creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfAshes Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Kodking194 said: mutagen and mutagel cant be used on bred creatures. Well, what can I tell you, it worked in single player on console on multiple bred creature types. Try it and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1ckyBandit Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Couldn't they have named one of them something different, as it gets confusing when trying to talk about mutaGEL vs mutaGEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BVKnight Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 11 hours ago, KingOfAshes said: Well, what can I tell you, it worked in single player on console on multiple bred creature types. Try it and see The wiki says mutagel only levels up the current dino and doesn't affect its base stats. I.E. using mutagel won't pass on the improved stats to babies, but mutagen will. Did you test that with mutagel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresiki Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 There's a good explanation of how it works here: https://ark.fandom.com/wiki/Mutagen_(Genesis:_Part_2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L4D2 Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 i think they fixed mutagel it doesn't work on dino anymore glad i did my rock drake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L4D2 Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 does mutagel/gen affects the chances of having mutation, here is the situation, i got a maewing that i boosted with mutagel when it was still possible, i breed it with an other regular maewing and i got 3 mutations at once, i know that it is possible to have 3 mutations, the wiki says Quote For each offspring up to three mutations can occur, each with a 2.5% chance, assuming both parents are eligible to receive a mutation. If multiple mutations occur, they may affect the same or different stats. The probability for at least one mutation in an offspring whose parents both have less than 20 matrilineal and patrilineal mutations is 7.31%, for at least two mutations it is 0.184% and for three mutations the probability 0.00156%. but it is extremely unlikely (0.00156%) the reason i am mentioning mutagel is because i "mutageled" a couple of mantis too and i i also got mutation on the offspring more than i used to have, note that i am not breeding one male with 50+ female, it is just one male one female here is the picture of the result so i think i got 3 mutations on hp, as my best hp was 34 and now the offspring has 40 points in hp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbapou Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 From what I can see the amount of mutagel farming to boost a wield tame is insane. The need around 90 mutagen which is 72 000 mutagel... I dont see how you could farm that on official servers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted June 24, 2021 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Herbapou said: From what I can see the amount of mutagel farming to boost a wield tame is insane. The need around 90 mutagen which is 72 000 mutagel... I dont see how you could farm that on official servers... (90 / 6) * 800 = 12,000. You get 6 Mutagen when you craft it in the Chem Bench, not only 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbapou Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, invincibleqc said: (90 / 6) * 800 = 12,000. You get 6 Mutagen when you craft it in the Chem Bench, not only 1. Yep indeed. That's still a lot to farm on asteroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1ckyBandit Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Herbapou said: Yep indeed. That's still a lot to farm on asteroids. Seems like a ridiculous amount to farm for a couple extra levels in various stats, some possibly being a waste depending on the creature. I get that its an optional thing, but the payoff does not seem worth the effort. If you could choose exactly how to allocate all 20 levels then it might be worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piffguru Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 hours ago, Herbapou said: Yep indeed. That's still a lot to farm on asteroids. Then dont farm it on asteroids lol. In rockwells innards you can get around 150 on 1x and close to 300 on 2x per run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flakz Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Piffguru said: Then dont farm it on asteroids lol. In rockwells innards you can get around 150 on 1x and close to 300 on 2x per run. Use mining drills and u get 400 +- per run on 1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L4D2 Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 thanks guys for contributing to this mutagen thread, i learn a lot every time got to try with a strider in space to see what i can get, i got it linked to a dedi storage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbapou Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I found the tek punch to be the most efficient on mutagel on asteroids. Got around 900 mutagel during a game day. That is still only 6 mutagen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piffguru Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 16 hours ago, Flakz said: Use mining drills and u get 400 +- per run on 1x oh thats good to know. I usually just take a whip down there but I guess ill try a drill, thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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