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16 hours ago, ArkTheorist123 said:

Well, we should at least be glad it's because they want to make absolute sure Genesis functions the way it should. That's better than them, say, releasing Genesis in a broken, unplayable state. 

After reading this one thread where the OP said that "Wild Card should be fined for releasing a broken game", I fully agree with them delaying the DLC and making sure that it's as bug free as possible. I couldn't imagine the amount of salt and anger on the boards if Genesis was even a bit broken on release.

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Dunno about your thoughts on how well it swims, that's gonna be a 'let's see' for me, but as for water, there's plenty of water we can see at the bottom of the trench, which by my guess, is pretty big

Actually the simulation doesn’t simulate where we are going. That was never it’s purpose. It was to get us ready for the extremes. Every environment and creature was taken to a extreme so we are ready

Interesting idea. The element on this planet could be element in its natural form and coexists with the life on the planet. An amount of element could have then traveled to Earth by methods unkno

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If I am correct, there are more "systems" than just the ARKS or Genesis.

In The One Who Wait's 2nd note on Extinction, she mentions backups. b a c k u p SSS!! Genesis is a backup for the ARKS, and there are most likely more backups out there, some crumbled away and fully abandoned, some uninitiated and one (that we know so far) that is almost fully functional. The ARKS.

What else is out there? I need to know! 

Also, since the ARKS systems are seriously flawed, and Genesis is a backup/possible last resort, I am led to believe the system Genesis runs on would be SEVERELY out of whack! We can even see this in the "Blade Wasps", as the simulation starts "creating doozies", and the bar is being raised. Higher. Higher. Higher...

What other accidental beasts will Genesis make??

Deformed Rexaspinosaur-parasaur-lystro hybrid confirmed!!!1!!!1!!111!!!

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1 hour ago, ArkTheorist123 said:

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On 1/29/2020 at 1:04 PM, ArkTheoryApprentice said:

Also, since the ARKS systems are seriously flawed, and Genesis is a backup/possible last resort, I am led to believe the system Genesis runs on would be SEVERELY out of whack! We can even see this in the "Blade Wasps", as the simulation starts "creating doozies", and the bar is being raised. Higher. Higher. Higher...

What other accidental beasts will Genesis make??

So far, none of the Genesis creatures have been "accidental". The Magmasaur information received from HLN-A suggests that not only the Magmasaur, but all the Genesis creatures were at one point or another tested in the Ark Stations and removed for either being too difficult to deal with, or changing the environment to drastically. HLN-A states the scorch marks of Magmasaurs would be all over the place if they were still on Scorched, perhaps implying they wandered just about anywhere they pleased. 

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1 hour ago, Qwertymine said:

So far, none of the Genesis creatures have been "accidental". The Magmasaur information received from HLN-A suggests that not only the Magmasaur, but all the Genesis creatures were at one point or another tested in the Ark Stations and removed for either being too difficult to deal with, or changing the environment to drastically. HLN-A states the scorch marks of Magmasaurs would be all over the place if they were still on Scorched, perhaps implying they wandered just about anywhere they pleased. 

The blade wasps are described as "doozies".

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I now believe that we are actually seeing regular tek in Genesis. The tek tools we craft are described as "off brand" by Diana on AB. The reason they're jagged is to show that they are not at their full manufactured potential. The obelisks are manufactured tek, (Manf-Tek), while our tools aren't. Genesis is built entirely around Manf-Tek.

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1 hour ago, ArkTheoryApprentice said:

I now believe that we are actually seeing regular tek in Genesis. The tek tools we craft are described as "off brand" by Diana on AB. The reason they're jagged is to show that they are not at their full manufactured potential. The obelisks are manufactured tek, (Manf-Tek), while our tools aren't. Genesis is built entirely around Manf-Tek.

nonononononononononononononononono but what about my lunatek? You can't just easily explain away the issue in a much more simple manner like that!

Although that doesn't explain the issue of how Helena can't enter the GenSim. If it was still just tek, then Helena should be able to access it, so we can assume it's not simply tek.
Also, I think that Diana was referring specifically to that one set of tek armor they made for her as off-brand, not saying that everything they were making was poor quality.

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2 hours ago, ArkTheoryApprentice said:

The blade wasps are described as "doozies".

That doesn't mean they are mistakes... It means compared to most other creatures, these are either pretty outlandish or terrifying. All Genesis creatures are of a different caliber than even the Extinction creatures(Excluding Titans). One is a literal volcano, another can teleport and produce "space energy", the Ferox drastically transform their body mass with Element, and the turtle produces a sustainable bubble of air from seemingly nowhere. 

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10 minutes ago, TinyHippo said:

nonononononononononononononononono but what about my lunatek? You can't just easily explain away the issue in a much more simple manner like that!

Although that doesn't explain the issue of how Helena can't enter the GenSim. If it was still just tek, then Helena should be able to access it, so we can assume it's not simply tek.
Also, I think that Diana was referring specifically to that one set of tek armor they made for her as off-brand, not saying that everything they were making was poor quality.

Offbrand doesn't have to mean poor quality though. Think about it thoroughly, I think the boot fits. 

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Just now, Qwertymine said:

That doesn't mean they are mistakes... It means compared to most other creatures, these are either pretty outlandish or terrifying. All Genesis creatures are of a different caliber than even the Extinction creatures(Excluding Titans). One is a literal volcano, another can teleport and produce "space energy", the Ferox drastically transform their body mass with Element, and the turtle produces a sustainable bubble of air from seemingly nowhere. 

Who knows.

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1 minute ago, Qwertymine said:

That doesn't mean they are mistakes... It means compared to most other creatures, these are either pretty outlandish or terrifying. All Genesis creatures are of a different caliber than even the Extinction creatures(Excluding Titans). One is a literal volcano, another can teleport and produce "space energy", the Ferox drastically transform their body mass with Element, and the turtle produces a sustainable bubble of air from seemingly nowhere. 

You're right, if we use just the word 'doozy' then you would be correct, but ATA forgot to mention that HLN-A specifically said that the GenSim produced the doozy, or in other words, the blade wasp came from the GenSim, and wasn't engineered beforehand like the magmasaur was.

3 minutes ago, ArkTheoryApprentice said:

Offbrand doesn't have to mean poor quality though. Think about it thoroughly, I think the boot fits. 

Naturally, but I still think she was referring specifically to that one suit.

Regardless, I don't think we can rely on Diana and crew for knowledge about tek gear anyway. They described the obelisks as having 'crazy teleportation tech,' and there are a lot of obelisks now, so who knows how far behind they are.
Or, in other words, I'm actually supporting your side with this, but whatever.
There's still the big issue of why can't Helena access the GenSim if it's also tek. It doesn't really make much sense.

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56 minutes ago, TinyHippo said:

nonononononononononononononononono but what about my lunatek? You can't just easily explain away the issue in a much more simple manner like that!

Although that doesn't explain the issue of how Helena can't enter the GenSim. If it was still just tek, then Helena should be able to access it, so we can assume it's not simply tek.
Also, I think that Diana was referring specifically to that one set of tek armor they made for her as off-brand, not saying that everything they were making was poor quality.

But helena did enter the Genesis Simulation already ?

The last of the Genesis Chronicles notes (#15) even mentions it:

" Once Helena’s friends beamed her into the Genesis simulation, she made me. But then she left. I guess homo deus beings can’t stay in our reality -- or the simulation -- for very long.

She gave me basic access to the simulation, but not a lot of guidance beyond that."

Seems like it isn't a problem with different sorts of tek, but with the nature of being a homo deus ?

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3 minutes ago, Fes said:

But helena did enter the Genesis Simulation already ?

The last of the Genesis Chronicles notes (#15) even mentions it:

" Once Helena’s friends beamed her into the Genesis simulation, she made me. But then she left. I guess homo deus beings can’t stay in our reality -- or the simulation -- for very long.

She gave me basic access to the simulation, but not a lot of guidance beyond that."

Seems like it isn't a problem with different sorts of tek, but with the nature of being a homo deus ?

True, she cant interact with reality as it is for very long

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6 minutes ago, Fes said:

But helena did enter the Genesis Simulation already ?

The last of the Genesis Chronicles notes (#15) even mentions it:

" Once Helena’s friends beamed her into the Genesis simulation, she made me. But then she left. I guess homo deus beings can’t stay in our reality -- or the simulation -- for very long.

She gave me basic access to the simulation, but not a lot of guidance beyond that."

Seems like it isn't a problem with different sorts of tek, but with the nature of being a homo deus ?

Helena was only able to briefly enter the simulation because of Mei and Diana, and she was described, in your very quote, as being unable to stay there in the same way she can't stay in the real world.

If Helena and the Genesis Simulation are based around the same systems then they should be able to connect just fine. Element has some form of contactless communication, as we know, which would mean that two things that are based off element should always be able to 'connect' via the tek 'internet' unless they're wildly different systems (corruption vs tek)

The implication is then that Helena is a wildly different system than the GenSim. We know that Helena can connect with the Arks and tek, so therefore, tek is wildly different than the GenSim.

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1 hour ago, TinyHippo said:

ATA forgot to mention that HLN-A specifically said that the GenSim produced the doozy, or in other words, the blade wasp came from the GenSim, and wasn't engineered beforehand like the magmasaur was.

No, it means the simulation gave life to the Blade Wasp. ALL the creatures are "produced", whether they be from the Arks or the Simulation. Blade Wasps were at one point removed from an Ark and stored as code. The Genesis Simulation is using that code to simulate the Wasps. 

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9 minutes ago, Qwertymine said:

No, it means the simulation gave life to the Blade Wasp. ALL the creatures are "produced", whether they be from the Arks or the Simulation. Blade Wasps were at one point removed from an Ark and stored as code. The Genesis Simulation is using that code to simulate the Wasps. 

The full quote is:

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[LOG_RECEIVE] Terminal Entry MM-01
[LOG_RECEIVE] The simulation is creating some doozies.
[LOG_RECEIVE] This lifeform is small but aggressive and really dangerous in large numbers.
[LOG_RECEIVE] They must have a weakness but nobody has figured it out.
[LOG_RECEIVE] ... at least I hope they have a weakness.

If it had came from an archive somewhere, then surely HLN-A could find information on them. No one, including HLN-A, knows anything about it besides what they've seen, so it would make sense that the bladewasp is a new creature that came from the GenSim instead of being designed and introduced to the GenSim like the magmasaur was.

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1 hour ago, TinyHippo said:

If Helena and the Genesis Simulation are based around the same systems then they should be able to connect just fine. Element has some form of contactless communication

What do you mean with "just fine" ? Iirc Helena can't interact that well with the technology on the arks either or anything in our reality for that matter, even the genesis were based on the same technology, she wouldn't be able to influence it more than she already did, would she ?

Another thing i don't understand here is the contactless communication, you mean how the corrupted creatures are hive minded ?

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Just another thing i found while digging through some explorer notes again, could it be that helena actually thinks rockwell is dead and doesn't calculate aberration into the plan of the re-seed protocol ? I found a passage in the 27th note of the one who waits that kinda indicates something along the lines:

"At least death is a natural end. They didn't suffer when they found the void. Not like him, he who thought down was up and descended a ladder into madness. I could see him in those depths, that twisted place where torment and euphoria are reversed.

He brought that fate upon himself, but even so, I'm glad you put it to an end. Thank you."

can't remember where amd when exactly, but rockwell still being alive and if helena knows was discussed somewhere in the thread, wasn't it ?

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13 minutes ago, Fes said:

What do you mean with "just fine" ? Iirc Helena can't interact that well with the technology on the arks either or anything in our reality for that matter, even the genesis were based on the same technology, she wouldn't be able to influence it more than she already did, would she ?

Another thing i don't understand here is the contactless communication, you mean how the corrupted creatures are hive minded ?

Helena can't change much in the Arks, sure, but she can connect and look through them just fine. Remember that Helena caused us to start reviving instead of just being replaced. She did it in smallish steps, but it's completely different than her connection, or lack thereof, to the GenSim. Helena has absolutely no information feed from the GenSim aside from HLN-A, as evidenced by how Helena was constantly asking HLN-A for status reports and such. Helena is therefore completely disconnected from the GenSim except for that brief moment at Arat Prime.

Contactless communication = wireless, don't mind me spilling my spaghetti when I type. Basically, any two pieces of element are constantly in communication with eachother, similar to how two phones that are connected to the internet are in constant communication with eachother.
Corruption is a great example of this, yes. I'm sure that it was mentioned somewhere else in the notes though, although I don't quite have the time to go over them all right now to find it.

8 minutes ago, Fes said:

Just another thing i found while digging through some explorer notes again, could it be that helena actually thinks rockwell is dead and doesn't calculate aberration into the plan of the re-seed protocol ? I found a passage in the 27th note of the one who waits that kinda indicates something along the lines:

"At least death is a natural end. They didn't suffer when they found the void. Not like him, he who thought down was up and descended a ladder into madness. I could see him in those depths, that twisted place where torment and euphoria are reversed.

He brought that fate upon himself, but even so, I'm glad you put it to an end. Thank you."

can't remember where amd when exactly, but rockwell still being alive and if helena knows was discussed somewhere in the thread, wasn't it ?

You're right, Helena (and by extension, the System) seems to have no idea about Rockwell still being alive.

I know we discussed it earlier, but I think it had something to do with a (now dead) idea about Rockwell potentially having an impact on the System and Reseed from before we got the Genesis Chronicles III on Extinction.

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