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It's not the end of the world

 

Do I think its going to be the weakest of the 3 TLC patches? Undeniably Yes, there's only so far you can go with updating 2 creatures and it really doesn't add up to what the other TLCs have done when you compare it to TLC 2 with stuff like the Argentavis and Spinosaurus for example and TLC 1 with the Procoptodon and the Direbear.

 

although that being said I think it could be good if they add in the megalodon, the megalodon has always been a popular candidate for TLC and I honestly can't think of anyone who would be opposed to it, its model is very outdated, it's lacking in exciting abilities and alot of people myself included would love to see a size buff to them so I think that would be a pretty good way to lift up TLC 3 with what's probably one of if not the most requested creature

 

 

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All the buffed creatures probably won't be getting full TLCs, they seem to be popular choices for it, but instead of actual TLCs, they're just getting buffs. That means carbonemys, carnos, liopleurodo

I too am a little disappointed but honestly, take into consideration what is going on right now. I dont do the EXACT same job as a developer but I work as a database administrator and with COVID19 goi

TLC 3 Disappointments I'm sorry but I just have to get this out of my system.   2 raptoring creatures? Are you serious, we've waited months for info thinking they were making it excitin

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7 hours ago, Scribelord said:

although that being said I think it could be good if they add in the megalodon, the megalodon has always been a popular candidate for TLC and I honestly can't think of anyone who would be opposed to it, its model is very outdated, it's lacking in exciting abilities and alot of people myself included would love to see a size buff to them so I think that would be a pretty good way to lift up TLC 3 with what's probably one of if not the most requested creature

I'll agree there. Making the megalodon larger would actually sweeten the deal a lot :P

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12 hours ago, Fresiki said:

I'll agree there. Making the megalodon larger would actually sweeten the deal a lot :P

I think the regular megalodon should be buffed to Alpha Megalodon size, that would make them feel more impressive while also letting them still be numerous 

 

And if its buffed to that then stuff like the Alpha would be buffed to the Brute megalodons current size and the Brutes would be on par with the larger sea creatures, maybe bigger for all of them but I think that's a good size buff that works all around still.

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On 7/29/2020 at 3:13 PM, StaceyMalibu said:

TLC 3 WAS MOVED TO DECEMBER-ISH, X-MAS.

I haven't seen this anywhere, but if it's true, I really hope it will be more than two. I don't want to be "that person" who always complains about what the developers do, but if this is true, there better be more than two creatures. Why would they delay it for just two things? Hopefully we'll get at least four or five. Everything in caves is terrible, same with everything underwater. The only exceptions would be megalainia (still weak, but it looks nice and climbs well), megalosaurus (only on Aberration), and basilosaurus. Onyc function the same as dimorphodons, but why use them instead when the latter is so much easier? Arthropleura look good, but they have really weird mouthpieces. 

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5 hours ago, DodoRaptor said:

I haven't seen this anywhere, but if it's true, I really hope it will be more than two. I don't want to be "that person" who always complains about what the developers do, but if this is true, there better be more than two creatures. Why would they delay it for just two things? Hopefully we'll get at least four or five. Everything in caves is terrible, same with everything underwater. The only exceptions would be megalainia (still weak, but it looks nice and climbs well), megalosaurus (only on Aberration), and basilosaurus. Onyc function the same as dimorphodons, but why use them instead when the latter is so much easier? Arthropleura look good, but they have really weird mouthpieces. 

Honestly they could do a whole TLC just for cave creatures and it would work since so many need updates.

 

Araneo is the number 1 for certain and that's the second creature I hope is actually getting a TLC

 

The others would be Onyc which definitely needs a new model abilities and resize, Megalania which needs the same as the Onyc, Arthropleura needs a new redesign badly and Pulmonoscorpius could get a grab attack

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2 minutes ago, Scribelord said:

Honestly they could do a whole TLC just for cave creatures and it would work since so many need updates.

 

Araneo is the number 1 for certain and that's the second creature I hope is actually getting a TLC

 

The others would be Onyc which definitely needs a new model abilities and resize, Megalania which needs the same as the Onyc, Arthropleura needs a new redesign badly and Pulmonoscorpius could get a grab attack

Yeah. Arthropleura were made with PvP raiding use in mind, but they can't take any sort of beating, and on a server without PvP, they do pretty terrible damage to non-structures. Pulmonoscorpius were made as a decently tough to tame dino that could be used to help kibble tame rexes, but now you can just use yuties for literally any kibble tame. Onyc and araneo were made as cave based swarmers which were just casually turned into tamable creatures without getting good abilities. I think the rock drake really took away from the megalaina, since they're much stronger, glide, and can turn invisible. Although I don't think they need a redesign compared to some others. I also find it odd that they can be carried by tapejaras, pteranodons, and griffins, when they're about as big as sabertooths. And weirdly, all three creatures (megalainia, griffin, and snow owl) that have issues attacking wild dinos have white colored floating damage numbers.

And then there's boas. They could kibble tame three good dinos, and for an old creature, look fairly good (not counting their weird, hideous frills). I'm not an extinct snake expert, but I'm pretty sure they were bigger IRL. If I could, I'd make them rarer, put them only in swamps, not caves, remove their venom, make them big and rideable, lose the frills, and give them genders. They would have three attacks, a significantly buffed bite, an instakill swallow for small creatures, only works when they're food has drained a certain amount, it would fill up the food bar back up too, and a hiss that's just to intimidate. Anything swallowed would have it's inventory or special loot transferred to the boas inventory. 

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6 hours ago, DodoRaptor said:

Yeah. Arthropleura were made with PvP raiding use in mind, but they can't take any sort of beating, and on a server without PvP, they do pretty terrible damage to non-structures. Pulmonoscorpius were made as a decently tough to tame dino that could be used to help kibble tame rexes, but now you can just use yuties for literally any kibble tame. Onyc and araneo were made as cave based swarmers which were just casually turned into tamable creatures without getting good abilities. I think the rock drake really took away from the megalaina, since they're much stronger, glide, and can turn invisible. Although I don't think they need a redesign compared to some others. I also find it odd that they can be carried by tapejaras, pteranodons, and griffins, when they're about as big as sabertooths. And weirdly, all three creatures (megalainia, griffin, and snow owl) that have issues attacking wild dinos have white colored floating damage numbers.

And then there's boas. They could kibble tame three good dinos, and for an old creature, look fairly good (not counting their weird, hideous frills). I'm not an extinct snake expert, but I'm pretty sure they were bigger IRL. If I could, I'd make them rarer, put them only in swamps, not caves, remove their venom, make them big and rideable, lose the frills, and give them genders. They would have three attacks, a significantly buffed bite, an instakill swallow for small creatures, only works when they're food has drained a certain amount, it would fill up the food bar back up too, and a hiss that's just to intimidate. Anything swallowed would have it's inventory or special loot transferred to the boas inventory. 

I completely forgot about boas but very true,

 

Honestly nobody goes into caves to tame so their generally forgotten about but a Cave TLC could fix alot of them up, I really hate the arthropleuras face personally, it just looks derpy with the bizzare stalk eyes and extremely stubby fangs

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3 hours ago, Usuallyafk said:

Everything WC does these days is such a disappointment. No respect for the loyal community who has stuck around after endless bugs not being fixed & complete disaster DLC launches/events. If they would just respond to tickets on aimbotters or enforce any rules I'd stop complaining.

We can hope that after Gen2, they focus on polishing the game.

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I'm disappointed they are turning the carno into an "almost as good" allo, which is much more accessible as a tame. It's a major slap in the face to the allo and the ravager for "bleed matters" applications. If the carno now gets a bleed, the ravager should no longer lose it when tamed.

They also need to do a balance pass on the two bleed mechanics and make them both damage bosses, or at least world bosses. The inconsistency is hugely confusing.

The current state of cave critters (araneo, arthro, boa, onyc, megalania) and the megalodon are also pretty embarrassing given how prevalent these creatures are on the various maps/caves/oceans. I would have thought they would be a priority for TLC given how much they stand out as being unloved and obsolete.

 

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42 minutes ago, DodoRaptor said:

This sounds like an awful idea. The point of a TLC is making them not be "same feature creatures." Also many players tame a sabertooth before a wolf or thyla, they can be easier. I don't think forcing them out of the game is a good idea, if you don't want to tame them, don't tame them. 

That is the thing tho. What can they do to a dilo/ compy to make them worth while with-out giving them a feature that is close or exactly the same as other creatures out there already? This is the same thing as a thylo what can a wolf/saber get for an update to make them unique enough to tame them over a thylo? They already did stuff for the wolf and IMO it is deemed useless. 

At some point developer time investment has to mean something here. A good example is Survival of the fittest they scratched that idea because it did not take off since it only had a few 1000 playing they deemed it a failed project. If a creature receives a half assed TLC patch is that not a waste of developer time as well. The carno fits this catigory of time wasted because it just got the same feature as other creatures already have and to try and make it a relevant creature worth breeding they gave it 10% bleed. 10% bleed is INSANE. What is the giga or alo pack bleed %?

I guess if the Saber received some sort of zoid like tek gear equipment then sure it could be unique and relevant but there is no small TLC change they can make so they are different in any meaningful way from the thylo with any current TLC we have seen from other creatures.

Just for zoid reference if you have no idea what zoids are <3.

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1 hour ago, SlipperySquid said:

That is the thing tho. What can they do to a dilo/ compy to make them worth while with-out giving them a feature that is close or exactly the same as other creatures out there already? This is the same thing as a thylo what can a wolf/saber get for an update to make them unique enough to tame them over a thylo? They already did stuff for the wolf and IMO it is deemed useless. 

At some point developer time investment has to mean something here. A good example is Survival of the fittest they scratched that idea because it did not take off since it only had a few 1000 playing they deemed it a failed project. If a creature receives a half assed TLC patch is that not a waste of developer time as well. The carno fits this catigory of time wasted because it just got the same feature as other creatures already have and to try and make it a relevant creature worth breeding they gave it 10% bleed. 10% bleed is INSANE. What is the giga or alo pack bleed %?

I guess if the Saber received some sort of zoid like tek gear equipment then sure it could be unique and relevant but there is no small TLC change they can make so they are different in any meaningful way from the thylo with any current TLC we have seen from other creatures.

Just for zoid reference if you have no idea what zoids are <3.

 

 

You are forgetting that Ark is a progression-based game. Especially in PVE when you don't need to follow a clear "best route" to expedited leveling (unlike PVP). But expedited leveling requires a lot of experience in-game.

The dilo is the first combat tame a player can get (especially a novice player), and its relevant in packs to keep newer players safe as they fledge. They don't need to be relevant in the end-game, for them to be relevant to the game itself.

Sabertooth is a similar creature. It's an easy tame that has relevant chitin gathering ability for the early player. So its useful for a bit and then gets obsolete and that's fine. Even when it comes to apex creatures there are clearly some creatures more relevant than the others (eg rex vs allo).

There is utterly nothing wrong with progression-relevant tames in addition to end-game relevant tames. The real issues are the tames with no role at all: e.g. megalodon (effectively outclassed by amphibians like the baryonyx and TLC sarco), or even worse mesopithicus, jerboa, etc.

I do, however think adding bleed to the carno is a problem since it sort of depricates the allo and its a giant slap in the face to the ravager. They need to re-balance bleed entirely and give it uniform applicability. The "extra unique" bleed that can hit bosses on the deino is rubbish. Is the allo just a joke?

 

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On 7/28/2020 at 5:53 PM, Alchemy said:

I too am a little disappointed but honestly, take into consideration what is going on right now. I dont do the EXACT same job as a developer but I work as a database administrator and with COVID19 going on, having to work at home with LESS resources its really hard. We are lucky we even got 2 creatures remodeled in this TLC. Could they have picked more useful dinos? sure, but its not like its the last one so just try and be a little more patient my fellow survivors!!!

What makes you think it's not the last one? I'm convinced it is. I'm convinced they only did it because way back when they did the other ones they "promised" a TLC3, I think this is their way of just trying to get it out of the way and then they don't have to do any more.

 

 

SUPER disappointed as well about it only being 2 creatures. I'd rather they delayed it more and then included more creatures - like it's been 2 years! Almost 2.5 years - a few more months would do no difference. This is more a slap in the face showing how little they care about the TLCs and just want them over and done with. It reinforces my belief this is the last one (but I'd be ecstatic to be wrong!)

The buffs that already came out are more like tuning and nothing of rework so I don't count that at all in the same category as a TLC. Damn. I need to reiterate how disappointed I am. It'd almost be better if they didn't do it at all at this rate.

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Whoops - forgot a "not", that changed things quite a bit xD
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On 7/28/2020 at 7:07 PM, yekrucifixion187 said:

Jumping the gun since you have no idea which creatures are getting a full TLC or what it entails. Discounting the minor TLC's is also mind blowing.

The Dunky getting Obsidian reduced weight by 75% means Genesis is now the premiere poly map. Carno bleed effect. Several balancing and buffs to the Bloodstalker. I can't even remember every dino they listed.

I will take the Devs to task when they do an obvious lackluster job but you guys are hammering them with no idea how or what is to be added. You are all being ridiculous.

There is nothing they will do with two creatures that can make it a good TLC pass ("will" do, mind you ;) ). The buffs are mostly just tweaks to some numbers and I'd be surprised if most of them took more than an hour to do - including testing! 

I really do think this is a lackluster job. I'm usually defending the devs, but this is just a slap in the face. I get that the world is chaotic right now, but why don't just delay it and do it properly? They delay everything else, why not this. We didn't even get a release date until recently. It's been two years since the last one, why not just say "after Genesis 2" and do something of it? This screams that they don't care and just want it over and done with - to me. It screams that they won't do another one. That last bit, I agree that I might be overly pessimistic, but with 2.5 years since the previous one I can't see this being anything other than trying to get an old promise out of the way so that they can forget all about it.

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6 hours ago, jayespi92 said:

stop crying over a video game you fukking loser. get outside and get some exercise. WC doesn't "owe" you anything. 

No need to get hostile. How do you know what we do aside from playing ARK?

We understand why there might not be many creatures in the TLC, and aren't demanding they add more. Yes, it is slightly disappointing that we are only getting two, but I have faith that even these two creatures will be well worth it.

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