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21 hours ago, Kwikwilyaqa said:

BS at his finest. Even some stuff in aberration need some level of TLC. Look at roll rats, that texture looks like $%¨& and they are not as good gatherers as the good old Ravager+Chainsaw and the damn saddle keeps breaking when you try to use the only good ability it have because it hits EVERYTHING (there is no "clear" space in AB. all the damn place have rocks and dinos). Ravagers are not pack animal by any means - they cannot follow properly, get stuck everywhere (rocks, small steps, vegetation, etc), fail to use lines in groups larger than 2, and to this date they get stuck after kill anything smaller than a T-Rex looking down... they need some love for sure, after all, they are aberration at his best. I feel the saddle needs some new models, not the Ravagers (probably one more color region for the nails to call the models finished), because even the skin looks garbage.

Extinction only can be left out because all 4 (and the titans) are nicely designed with some level of uniqueness and have good models overall (Owls could STFU for a bit longer - not only them, all sound loops needs to be tune down A LOT)...

SE always need some level of TLC too. Poison looks ok, but the other wyverns doesn't look so good (look at the spikes in the lower jaw of the fire wyvern... disgustingly half-done models). Mantis is useless because of the rate it break tools (and the sound bugs that was never fixed) and not even can be brought to AB, the only ark i feel it can be a decent gimmick since damn ankys are so bad to gather crystals (because they are slow to go from node to node) and metal is everywhere (so you actually don't need an anky to be rich AF). Vulture inventory is broken still to this date... Moth, Thorny and Morella are pretty much useless too, i agree. In the end SE have only wyverns with some level of usability (glass cannons)... If not a TLC, SE needs a patch. A long, long waited patch...

Personally I don't think TLC's for Aberration, Extinction, or both Genesis should ever happen.

 

Improvements sure but I think saying they need a full on TLC is abit much.

 

Although Scorched Earth desperately needs one and like I said they created a loophole for the TLC list since scorched was released before the base game and I've actually made a whole page dedicated to a Scorched Earth remake that I'll link below.

 

 

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Pteranodon needs a model update. Its face is unpleasant, but the wings are godawful and need to be redone. It's also kind of odd that it doesn't have pycnofibres. I understand that not everything in ark has to be accurate, but all other pterosaurs have pycnofibres and pteranodon looks sort of slimy without them.

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I would love if the kairuku could become a shoulder pet and if the models for them could be made a little cuter. I love penguins and cats. Two of my favorite things don't exist as shoulder pets. 

 

It would be cool if they did add saddles for dire wolves. I know they already had a TLC. This would be more of a quality of life change.

Pteranodons could probably use a texture update. 

I do think the aqua life could use some updates also. 

 

I'm very eager to see what they do with TLC 3 patch! :) I love new content lol!

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Dolphin - Give it the emitting sonic ability , same like spider vision so you can sea threat underwater , after all the ichthyosaurus work as the scout most of the time .

Archaeopteryx - commonly know as the parachute bird , it use however , being hampered by the fact that you need to hold it with 2 hands so no tool for you and you look very clumsy at that . i suggest make it a shoulder pet but can order to switch to parachute mode ( holding 2 hands ) with a button or whistle .

Basilisk - this one is simple , make it breedable , gas bag and giant sea turtle easily beat the basilisk weight because they can be bred and they also very good tank thus the stat just keep inflating , leaving the basilisk in the dusk . Basilisk also not a good combat mount either , fight me , people will use managarm or any fast to circle around you , even poison wyvern have better use of theirs poison spit .

Lymantria - toggle silk produce mode as the expense of food .

Plesi - Tek saddle that fire torpedo .

 

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29 minutes ago, Rattlison said:

All I want is dlc for the switch :]

They dont care about the switch unfortunately for you that was just a quick cash grab :/

Why does a tlc have to be about dinos why not introduce new game modes into the game because it's so stale right now like 10 day old bread lol 

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The Mosa. It's so fat, and it's almost helpless against Cnidaria. They're strong, but it doesn't feel like they have the oomf they need. Maybe a tail slap for enemies who manage to get behind them as well? If not that, the removal of the platform saddle in favor of allowing the Mosa to swim directionally like the Megalodon and Tuso. This would make combat much easier for the Mosa, and would open up positions for the Plesi and Megachelon in terms of platforms in water. Who knows, maybe they'd make the Leedsichthys tameable to fill the power vacuum(That's a stretch though).

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On 3/11/2020 at 6:53 PM, Darkholis said:

First, they stated in the past that only the oldest creatures would likely receive TLCs, which exclude SE and any DLC creatures. Though I agreee with you the mana meta is cancerous right now and makes it unplayable on most servers.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't want wyverns to get any boost. They were stupidly OP at SE launch and it took WC months to fix their breath destroying cables through walls... They are in a good spot imho.

As a hardcore PvP player myself, I'll disagree about TLCs being aimed at PvE players only. Procoptodon, argentavis are among the best tames to have in the current meta, just to name these 2.

It's so funny, even after all the nerfs, the Mana is still as widely used and widely hated on PvP as it has ever been.  Short of restricting Manas to Extinction only or removing their Ice Breath attack altogether, what could they do to actually balance that thing?

About TLC3:

Carno, Galli, Pelagornis, Terror Bird, Pachy, Lymantria, Megalodon.

Also, add the Archelon.

The rest of TLCs can wait in my opinion.  Those creatures are near useless as is, and I personally don't care about model reworks.   I feel like ability/stat reworks are what can make a creature useful and actually shake things up (which I figure is supposed to be the point of the TLC passes).

Look at the Raptor:  New model, gorgeously done.  Unchanged other than pounce attack (stats the same).  Still not regularly used post-tame because it is so shrimpy.  Yeah yeah yeah, I know, I know: every person in the thread goes out every day to Carno Island with a Raptor Pack to hunt Alphas, or raids using only Raptors every day.  It's pretty, but it basically serves to frustrate players when wild due to the pounce, and after tame it just hangs out in the base looking at you with its beautiful face.  I know a lot of people that play ARK, and they aren't even all hardcore META players, and Raptors are base decoration.

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2 hours ago, Rattlison said:

All I want is dlc for the switch :]

I'd be down for Switch TLC pass too, and DLC release.  Abstraction said that internally they figure they can speed the game up with load times and pop-in, and other stuff.  @Cedric pass this on for us, eh?

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also Last bit of TLC i got is with some other things breeding.

 

  • Almost all Bugs, Bats, Snails and Snake should be breedable as Normal, just enable mating. 
  • Sidenote: all bugs Just spawn as little Bugs, there is no larva or anything just like the Blood stalker 
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But some animals (like on genesis) need special ways to breed like

  • Basilisk: Needs to have 400 Nacos , and must Breed Underground!  the Baby will eat eggs (any kind)
  • Rock drake: needs to be in the Drake den and Must have 100 element ore! and then they will be able to breed
  • Wyvern: need to be in the Wyvern den (no matter the wyvern) and Must have 100 Sulfur
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  • Rock Golem: Must have 5500 stone, 1000 oil, 550 crystal, 150 sulfur, 150 obsidian, 850 metal, and 100 Salt! to just start the breeding! then they will lay a Rockling (that looks like a Small naked golem but with no shell, then they will request a Different mineral that was native to SE, like Salt , once it gets to 100% it will be a Rubble golem:(its not as strong but is faster , has a farther throw but smaller rock size, and can damage rock buildings but not much!. then if you want to turn it into a Rock golem you will need to go to breeding but it will be called "From" and they they will not be ride able and will take EVEN LONGER to Raise but will be stronger and will keep imprint!

Also a new thing with them is that there rocks that are just grey they can be different color  like Black , sandy , white, Granite, Grey, and can be changed with breeding and events

  •   Griffin: must be at the Highest point of a Map! like the Volcano on the island, then they will lay a egg, and you will need a Very cold temp. takes longer then a rex but not as long as a Yuty
  • Crab: must be in water in order to breed, and once they are breeding they will do a dance! then they will lay a egg like a Blood stalker. takes as long as a Rex
  • Reaper: When you get a tamed reaper you can get a Male or female. (male has the base tail and the female would have the queen tail but won't be as Big or strong as a Queen!. they will breed and the Male will seed the female, once its done you have a 10 minute timer and then she will go into a Rage and you must weaken her like the queen (can be killed if your not careful) and then she will impregnate you. and then the same thing will happen!

 

  • Enforcer: they will "assemble" a Blueprint for you with the Mix of the two enforcers (their is no gender they can just breed with each other! instead they get a "link" that is the same as a mate boost! but for robots"  and then you must build it! and they can get mutations or Mods
  • Space whale: need to be in element gas in space in order to breed!
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2 hours ago, Udam said:

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But some animals (like on genesis) need special ways to breed like

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There is nothing special about breeding in Genesis, only major annoyances or limitations that do not permit (or limit severely) the creatures to breed outside the "simulation" environments. Turn on, turn off or don't add to the game. If each new "dino" have his own little niche to breed, creatures will be worst than engrams in a near future (you need specific arks to breed some already, imagine if this pile up - will be a mess). Thank god we don't need to be upside down in the bog in the rain while eating a mango to breed Bloodstalkers.

Breed some Magmasaurs and you gonna know how boring (like, BORING - i never had so long AFK sessions in my SP world than when i was combining 7 Magma into one) - and annoying - it is. And like, you wanna breed wyverns INSIDE the Trench? LOL

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39 minutes ago, Kwikwilyaqa said:

There is nothing special about breeding in Genesis, only major annoyances or limitations that do not permit (or limit severely) the creatures to breed outside the "simulation" environments. Turn on, turn off or don't add to the game. If each new "dino" have his own little niche to breed, creatures will be worst than engrams in a near future (you need specific arks to breed some already, imagine if this pile up - will be a mess). Thank god we don't need to be upside down in the bog in the rain while eating a mango to breed Bloodstalkers.

Breed some Magmasaurs and you gonna know how boring (like, BORING - i never had so long AFK sessions in my SP world than when i was combining 7 Magma into one) - and annoying - it is. And like, you wanna breed wyverns INSIDE the Trench? LOL

it is in a way. that "most" of the Gen tames needs Special condition' and its for a Reason!

if you can breed Turrets like you can with almost everything else then people will Have super tanks and Walking Homes everywhere!

if you can breed magmasaures like a Rex then almost everyone would have a Base wrecker

if you can breed Feroxs like a bear, then people would throw them at you Like a Horde of Zombies

Spiders are not that strong so i think they are fine the way they are in terms of breeding. a Person strong enough with a ok sword and KIll a Spider NP

 

and the Point is of the other Special breeding. gives you a reason to get out of the base to breed your wyvern or drake. if you allow people to breed wyverns like rexs then you should just trash everything else and use them for battle. and gives some risk, and its Not meant to be easy, with the right tools and know how you can clear a Nest NP iv done it before with a good rex and a Pig. 

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5 hours ago, Myrm said:

I always thought that the megalodons looked too short, too stubby. I’d like to see that addressed. 

Same, I think they need to be more streamlined instead of bulky especially considering apparently they are related to mako sharks more than great whites (which is honestly worse than great whites because not only is it large but it was probably extremely fast too). 

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1 hour ago, Udam said:

it is in a way. that "most" of the Gen tames needs Special condition' and its for a Reason!

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First and foremost: Karkinos can't walk sideways, it does not deserve to be called a crab (this is a reason more than enough to call a TLC on them).

Second, for PvE: (1) turtle is a glorified afk wild flower farm or a irregular platform with legs to build (2) Magmasaurs are worst than an anky and as good as 1/2 basic forge; (3) I don't see problems with Ferox besides the all the bugs, so i'm fine with the element (that is farmable with no problems in Genesis anyway) - but not with the constant maintenance of the 95-100% addition every 10-20mins (annoyance that makes me not to breed them pass the point i got the stats, limiting my gameplay experience). Can you see where the PvP ends and the PvE begins?

There is absolutely nothing special about them - besides all the glitches and bugs with taming/breeding/duplication/timers/etc. Same with golem, mantis, karkinos and basilisk (and more that i forgot right now...)  - they are fun gimmicks, with almost no usability even in they native Arks. No need for nothing special, just breed and done. All of them require mid-late game resources, cannons/ballista, elaborated traps, deathworm horns, hours of clearing for high levels and more hours to tame after you found the guy (and kibble, that always take way to long to get a good supply). 

Adding another layer to this is adding a timesink on top of a timesink (with no additions to gameplay, just repetition).

Now Rock Drakes and Wyverns... use a mod to breed them to understand why this will never be in the game. Broken as F* when you grab those 180-190 with perfect stats, add them together and them add some mutations on top...

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5 hours ago, Scribelord said:

... especially considering apparently they are related to mako sharks more than great whites...

When I read this, I initially thought to myself, what a load of nonsense, everybody knows they are related to Great Whites. However, I thought it prudent to check for myself your claim, before I responded.  I am glad I did as I found out that you were actually right. 😀 👍

 

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13 hours ago, Udam said:
  • Rock drake: needs to be in the Drake den and Must have 100 element ore! and then they will be able to breed
  • Wyvern: need to be in the Wyvern den (no matter the wyvern) and Must have 100 Sulfur

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  • Griffin: must be at the Highest point of a Map! like the Volcano on the island, then they will lay a egg, and you will need a Very cold temp. takes longer then a rex but not as long as a Yuty

While I like the thought you've put into this, I can see this being very prone to griefing. I imagine big tribes blocking off the dens/highest points to keep as their personal breeding grounds.

13 hours ago, Udam said:

Almost all Bugs, Bats, Snails and Snake should be breedable as Normal, just enable mating. 

❤️ SO agree!! :D

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7 hours ago, Zahlea said:

While I like the thought you've put into this, I can see this being very prone to griefing. I imagine big tribes blocking off the dens/highest points to keep as their personal breeding grounds.

❤️ SO agree!! :D

thanks for the feedback. while for the Griffin you can just be Eight up anywhere so you could use a Quetz. you just need to be around the same high as the volcano or Higher.

 

 

and the wyvern and drake thing iv been thinking about. a way to stop it. Maybe a Alpha Drake or wyverns guard the area so any buildings near it will get eatten but will only stay around that area. Idk

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I know this isnt a single creature but i think most of the creatures around the bottom of the sea need a rework. Anglers are essentially that one fish you always see but see no purpose in killing or taming them since they serve no purpose. Like i think they should have a ability where they can lure in the nearest fish or tame with it lure and once close enough it would hit for a load of damage but if it took to long like 5 seconds they would break out and the lure would fail. The Dunkleosteus would also need a rework because at this point its just deep sea megalodons which is even worse since there are megalodons in the deep sea. I think the Dunkleo should have a grab similar to the Karco and hit for way more.

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