nameless Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 details on enforcement action about pillaring on official pve Recently our tribe have purchased the base of another tribe that is moving out of the server and our land area dramatically increased. There is also this post in the forum: That is why I am worried about this: What count as "pillar spamming"? What will happen if "pillar spamming is identified? Will everything of our tribe be deleted by admin? Will just the single pillar be deleted? Will there be any warning before that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyWaffles Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 You bought a base on PVE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 Yes, it is from another tribe that happens to be moving way. (That is, we are already on the same server) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 The major purpose of doing so is not for the structures but for the land beside us (they were right next to us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 We have also reached an agreement with another neighboring tribe who is not leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator Joebl0w13 Posted December 20, 2019 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted December 20, 2019 It's completely subjective and up the the Enforcement Team. They make decisions on a case by case basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Joebl0w13 said: It's completely subjective and up the the Enforcement Team. They make decisions on a case by case basis. So... there is no way to one to know if one's base is against CoC? Does that mean everyone could potentially be wiped/banned no matter what they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator Joebl0w13 Posted December 20, 2019 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, nameless said: So... there is no way to one to know if one's base is against CoC? Does that mean everyone could potentially be wiped/banned no matter what they do? No. That means anybody walking a fine line with spamming pillars all over the place could have an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 If we ever suspect an enforcer is abusing admin powers and receiving bribes, will there be anyway to fight back? Is it necessary or possible get proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fukushu Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 @namelessyou won't be wiped. They will at most remove all your pillars or up to some clip part, if they remove up to 2 clips it will remove your behemoth gates and tek storages (2 storages build together). Everything over that count will be left but you won't be wiped or banned for pillaring. You will get a warning and pillar removal if you pillar someone else abusively which you are not doing. I don't know how much land you have pillared but a normal, sane person should be able to see for themselves if they have pillared too much and I hope that you are not as stupid as the on Valguero player who had 10/10 to 20/20 square pillared on the map and didn't see anything wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator Joebl0w13 Posted December 21, 2019 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, nameless said: If we ever suspect an enforcer is abusing admin powers and receiving bribes, will there be anyway to fight back? Is it necessary or possible get proof? Sure. Post undeniable proof of it on social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Fukushu said: @namelessyou won't be wiped. They will at most remove all your pillars or up to some clip part, if they remove up to 2 clips it will remove your behemoth gates and tek storages (2 storages build together). Everything over that count will be left but you won't be wiped or banned for pillaring. You will get a warning and pillar removal if you pillar someone else abusively which you are not doing. I don't know how much land you have pillared but a normal, sane person should be able to see for themselves if they have pillared too much and I hope that you are not as stupid as the on Valguero player who had 10/10 to 20/20 square pillared on the map and didn't see anything wrong with it. That is reassuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 57 minutes ago, Joebl0w13 said: Sure. Post undeniable proof of it on social media. What kind of proof are undeniable? How can we get undeniable proof? (Assuming an enforcer received bribe and wiped a tribe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcexHellhound21 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 12/21/2019 at 11:05 AM, nameless said: What kind of proof are undeniable? How can we get undeniable proof? (Assuming an enforcer received bribe and wiped a tribe) Like video recordings and photo proving the enforcer is in the wrong which will result in them getting fired from there job or if there lucky they get demoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deedoubleu Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, AcexHellhound21 said: Like video recordings and photo proving the enforcer is in the wrong which will result in them getting fired from there job or if there lucky they get demoted. First of all, I'm not convincing any GM or even forum mod of taking bribes or being a shady dodo in general. But this thing bothered me too for a while - GMs can do whatever they want basically and players can't defend themselves. You can't prove they are breaking rules which were phrased in most vague way possible and I don't see how you can prove they taking bribes without breaking laws (disclosing personal information, recording audio/video without their consent etc). Same reasons why real-money-trading is not allowed but no one ever got punished for it eventhough it's happening all over the ark. Only undeniable evidence would be corrupt GM's confession in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmeaiel Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 We Just had yet another enforcement action taken against tribe for pillars inside of a walled area a small area next to base where we were re-building a greenhouse wiped out by kited corrupt giga . This base had literally been built within hours of this server going live so never had another base near it for us to 'grief', the only other 2 tribes effected by our structures are one we talk to frequently and remove structures as needed for each other and a new tribe. Problem is If you are ticketed you are instantly guilty with no comeback in the eyes of enforcement team, even if area is tiny and clearly only protecting area directly around your base (nothing even out of render range) It is never pointed out where you are in violation , what structures were in violation just that you suddenly have massive damage to base and its surrounds, with protective structures directly around your base removed and that you are somehow in violation, The enforcement team do an amazing job removing obvious mass land claims but the fact that claims have now become quite obviously weaponised against tribes with minimal areas and with the reporters even openly discussing they want the land is disturbing. Will try and provide screenshots if i can sucessfully download and delete the names. Why is it so hard to be provided with a screenshot of what we are supposedly in violation of when potentially 1000's of hours of work are damaged for simply building and protecting a base in a minimal way? especially with protective structures, tek brodges and perimiter pillaring directly around bases now supposedly being a violation. recent 'land grabs' include : the much contested 'plateue' area in ragnarok , 2 different servers, 2 different tribes - plateu area walls and pillars INSIDE WALLS , tek bridges and tek storage deleted, once of these tribes targetted multiple times. Pillars immediatly placed within build areas of that player by land grab tribe, directly affecting base same rag server, dispute over christmas gifts : several small island bases pillar wiped INSIDE WALLS, along with walls, tek storage and tek bridges, all minimal pillaring and grief protection structures. Area immediatly pillared by land-grab tribe preventing player building in own base area near red Obelisk large base with no walls or other areas blocked, small area of pillars to protect acess to desert and red obelisk, no pillars out of render range : tribe was pillar wiped along with tek storage and 100's of hours worth of gathering for simply protecting acess at front of base. Area immediatly pillared by other tribes with already larger land claims. Base on extinction in highly desired park area , pillar wiped directly around base, nothing out of render range, protective structures directly around base removed (within 10 foundations of walls approx) housing tethers for gigas to protect from corrupt dino kiting, tek bridge at back of base and pillars directly protecting 1/2 finished wall and greenhouse area. Immediatly pillared by 2 other tribes within minutes of enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmeaiel Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 The area apparently 'in violation' now hard foundation bombed by another tribe , that base they are pushed against is our base and as you can see the area pillared was directly protecting it from just this kind of Structure spam. Apparently we were the ones griefing? our own base? there has been no new structures placed since october/november in this area. Edit: The tribe that pillared this area later contacted us and offered to return this area as they could see something had happened and base was now vulnerable to griefing , thankyou! , but this screenshot still illustrates how easy it is to be griefed by people structure spamming directly around base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmeaiel Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Updated some Information below after contacting the tribes involved in placing structures around ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 have you ever tried to report them back? technically, if operating based on a fair and unchanging rule, the enforcement team will always remove pillars in a certain place regardless of who owns it, right? especially since this happened within context of days and the surrounding environment did not change a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmeaiel Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 In progress , so far have just got back ' we investigate it and you were found in violation' but no evidence or discussion of what we actually violated given we are incredibly strict about not interfearing with other peoples structures or pillaring any land out of render range. As you can see in provided screenshots and discussion in discord Also as farther proof, here is a picture of the land claim made within an hour of server going live on first day of extinction, basicly me posting to discord to our server/shared tribe 'hey guys here is a great spot' and as you can see in other spot we eventually made a large metal base. Clearly no other tribes near us at this time to be 'griefing and structure blocking' EDIT: Update, Have talked to neighbouring tribes and neither of them apparently ticketed us, one had pillared the land to prevent our base being griefed and immediatly offered to give the area around base back to us, same with the tribe on other side who simply thought structures had timed out and they were in luck. Given these were only 2 tribes with any structures within contaact to ours it now raises the question of how we were griefing and structure blocking another tribe? these tribes take up the outer area of park and we are in the middle with a cliff at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmeaiel Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 As an update, the falsley reported area is now pillared on the other side of our base, and as far as the eye can see, with 'land for trade' signs littered across it everywhere, exactly as has been happening to the bases on ragnarok in much desired areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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