What is the reason for nerfing plant Z and Y, the only counter to managarmr ?

[covenantgrunt]

Some time ago plant y was reduced to 10 seconds.

In upcoming changes it is stated plant z will range will be reduced to 50%.

Plant Z and Y are the only counters to manas we have. Y has been nerfed into the ground. Now you cant even kill a mana that gets trapped in Y, the mana will free itself and be whistled to safety because the duration now is only 10 seconds. Next Z is getting hit by nerf bat. Even as it stands Z is hardly reliably against manas and often does not work. Especially if manas are spamming the dive bomb attack, it is incredibly hard or near impossible to Z off dive bombing abusing manas. With a 50% range nerf, it will become basically useless against manas. With plant Y being nerfed plant Z was the players last counter left against manas. And now even that is being taken away.

Z and Y allowed for some skilled, tactical gameplay. Flame arrows could counter Y easily. No one in history of official pvp ever asked for a plant Y nerf. Why was this done ?

Plant Z allowed people to ride ground dinos that are not manas. In particular rhinos with Z could counter manas. Is this what  the Z nerf is about ? Devs love the mana and dont want ANY dino to be able to fight back against it ? 

After being in a horrible state for most of 2019, official pvp is starting to be somewhat good again. We are seeing a variety of dinos used again instead of just manas. People are using rhinos, theriz. gigas, velos, meks, pteras, wyverns, . We have an interesting team work based meta where owls, manas, rhinos, pts, wyverns, gigas, meks etc all work togather. Every dino has counterplay. Owls slow rhinos and gigas to make them easy kills. Z dismounts manas and open them up for gigas, rhinos or velos to finish them off before rider gets on. Strategy and team work is heavily rewarded. Game is starting to feel fun again. So why bring about the Z and Y nerf, and a signal a return to dark ages of early 2019 when people were using nothing but manas ? Devs you have stumbled upon start of something good, please dont ruin it.

[shadowkyuubi]

Personally the damage range on the Manas could stand to go back up just a hair, it was reduced way too much in my opinion

[whoareyou]

A lot of people asked for a plant y nerf. PVP over vast fields of plant y spam was utter cancer. It just brought PVP to a standstill. 

I think the weight nerf for plant z was good because it forced people to use flash bangs tactically rather than just constantly throwing them out. The range nerf is just wielding the nerf hammer a bit hard I think.