MzSquawk Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Cloning gigas Ive seen on a few youtube vids people cloning low lvl females for breeding it seems to be a thing now.ive searched google for why and the benefits and cant find an answer i have thoughts on why but can anyone actually tell me why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonDjangovich Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 It's cheaper to clone a giga than raise one, time/currency value. getting gacha and feed it stone to get element will save you the trouble of hand feeding the giga and imprint on it and keeping your troughs full forever until it's totally grown. I like raising them tho lol, I love breeding dinos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caleb68 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 the only benefit to using a low level for breeding with a high level is to drop the level of the baby that comes out, its a 50/50 that you'll get a baby that has max stats of the high level parent, and the level of the baby is averaged between the two adults. i.e. if you breed a 425 with a 425, your baby is most likely going to be anywhere from 400-425, if you breed a 20 with a 425, the baby will end up with a averaged level between the two, usually around 190-250, sometimes higher though. I haven't found any other advantage to using a low level with a high level for breeding other then that. breeding two low levels, just seems to make getting the higher stat dino's a longer process, but I may be wrong there, I think the level is taken into consideration when it comes to the possibility of getting a mutation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycan187u Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, caleb68 said: the only benefit to using a low level for breeding with a high level is to drop the level of the baby that comes out, its a 50/50 that you'll get a baby that has max stats of the high level parent, and the level of the baby is averaged between the two adults. i.e. if you breed a 425 with a 425, your baby is most likely going to be anywhere from 400-425, if you breed a 20 with a 425, the baby will end up with a averaged level between the two, usually around 190-250, sometimes higher though. I haven't found any other advantage to using a low level with a high level for breeding other then that. breeding two low levels, just seems to make getting the higher stat dino's a longer process, but I may be wrong there, I think the level is taken into consideration when it comes to the possibility of getting a mutation. Cheap to clone ...having a lvl 5 female clean no mutation insurers a possibility of mutation on the maternal side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caleb68 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lycan187u said: Cheap to clone ...having a lvl 5 female clean no mutation insurers a possibility of mutation on the maternal side true, clean mutations on low levels as well for one side. but that only works for the pair your breeding and not breeding up the babies that pop out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekrucifixion187 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Everything above is correct. I'll add since the only stat that's worth mutating on a Giga is melee the low level doesn't matter that much because you're still gonna get around 17k to 18k base hp from a level 5, stam will suck regardless of level, and weight will be adequate no matter what. There is a 55% chance you'll inherit the higher stat on a baby so it just works out with odds, cost, and benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycan187u Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, caleb68 said: true, clean mutations on low levels as well for one side. but that only works for the pair your breeding and not breeding up the babies that pop out. Keep the females that have 0\73737477 mutations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycan187u Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, yekrucifixion187 said: Everything above is correct. I'll add since the only stat that's worth mutating on a Giga is melee the low level doesn't matter that much because you're still gonna get around 17k to 18k base hp from a level 5, stam will suck regardless of level, and weight will be adequate no matter what. There is a 55% chance you'll inherit the higher stat on a baby so it just works out with odds, cost, and benefit. We are working on hp too 18.6k hp atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycan187u Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I'm just a egg popper really lol my bud breeds my muts for me while I continue to hatch lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caleb68 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lycan187u said: Keep the females that have 0\73737477 mutations wouldn't breeding a child that has 0/40+ with a parent that has 0/40+ still stop it from getting future mutations? from my understanding if one parent is above 20/20 or 0/40 / 40/0 and so is the other, you won't get any mutation from the birth, if there are more then 40 in one dino, one of them has to be clean 0/0 in order to get any further mutations? least thats how it was explained to me, and seems to be working thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyBear Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 People have been mutating hp, it’s up to about 20k on pve official. Up from 17k. Personally I think it’s silly all the people trying to get in on mutating them. While publicly people are trading 565md and everyone is buying it trying to mutate it... the early breeders are well over 605 already.... so as soon as this current batch of copycats catches up, they can keep dropping the higher melee on everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hud Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Well with prices on official it make sense to try to get own mutation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1nk Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, GrumpyBear said: People have been mutating hp, it’s up to about 20k on pve official. Up from 17k. Personally I think it’s silly all the people trying to get in on mutating them. While publicly people are trading 565md and everyone is buying it trying to mutate it... the early breeders are well over 605 already.... so as soon as this current batch of copycats catches up, they can keep dropping the higher melee on everyone. And flooding / undercutting market. Ive always hated that aspect of trading. There should have been a mechanic outside neuter that deals with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycan187u Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, caleb68 said: wouldn't breeding a child that has 0/40+ with a parent that has 0/40+ still stop it from getting future mutations? from my understanding if one parent is above 20/20 or 0/40 / 40/0 and so is the other, you won't get any mutation from the birth, if there are more then 40 in one dino, one of them has to be clean 0/0 in order to get any further mutations? least thats how it was explained to me, and seems to be working thus far. I've gotten melee mut on a Rex that the ancestry had 2773773\7377374... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caleb68 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, Lycan187u said: I've gotten melee mut on a Rex that the ancestry had 2773773\7377374... yeah but was the other one 0/0 that it mated with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekrucifixion187 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, caleb68 said: yeah but was the other one 0/0 that it mated with? 72344774765/20 can mute if the partner is 19/20. It just needs one chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caleb68 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, yekrucifixion187 said: 72344774765/20 can mute if the partner is 19/20. It just needs one chance. cool but wouldn't that kill the possibility of 2 mutations? or is that not a thing anymore? knew at one time you could get 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekrucifixion187 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, caleb68 said: cool but wouldn't that kill the possibility of 2 mutations? or is that not a thing anymore? knew at one time you could get 2 I'm not sure on the particulars. There use to be a detailed explanation somewhere on these forums on how the mute process actually works but I couldn't find it when searching the other day. @invincibleqc I think it was your Theri breeding detail but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MzSquawk Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Yeah would like to read that.Just when you think you got this breeding sussed something else pops up lol ty for replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDonn Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, caleb68 said: cool but wouldn't that kill the possibility of 2 mutations? or is that not a thing anymore? knew at one time you could get 2 About 1 month ago on Official I got the first and only double mut I got ever, on Glowtails. It was speed (puke), but I can confirm that it still happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted October 12, 2019 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, yekrucifixion187 said: I'm not sure on the particulars. There use to be a detailed explanation somewhere on these forums on how the mute process actually works but I couldn't find it when searching the other day. @caleb68 is correct; if one have 72344774765/20 and the other 19/20 then it can only mutate once and all the other rolls will fail. 6 hours ago, yekrucifixion187 said: @invincibleqc I think it was your Theri breeding detail but I'm not sure. It might have been a thread in a section that was removed, or the thread is so old that it is archived and no longer indexed in the search but here is the big picture: 3 rolls of 2.5% each are performed. If any of these roll passes, a parent is selected at random. If that parent's matrilineal + patrilineal markers is greater than 20, then the mutation fails. A stat of the baby is selected at random. If that stat is greater or equal 255 points, then the mutation fails. By the time the mutation rolls are performed, the stats of the baby already been selected from the parents with a 55% chance of them being the strongest. Hence why you can mutate the stats from a parent that have more than 20 markers total if the roll passes on the other, etc. You mathematically have 1/580 chances of mutating a specific stat from a dirty parent by mating it with a clean one. 5 hours ago, TheDonn said: About 1 month ago on Official I got the first and only double mut I got ever, on Glowtails. It was speed (puke), but I can confirm that it still happens! I know the feeling. I've got double mutations a few times in the past, even got a double mutation into Rex's melee once but it was the lower stat. Never got triple though and never will since I didn't mass mutate breeding lines since legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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