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Genesis Simulation

So it was said in the stream that genesis is a simulation, which allows WC to add in things that may even be too crazy for regular arks.

So my question is, if genesis is a simulation does that mean that you cant transfer your character/dino/items to genesis maps? Similarly how would one go about transfering dinos "tamed" in a simulation out of genesis and into the "real" arks on official servers/maps?

I'm assuming it would be possible because it wouldnt make sense for genesis to be a seperate enitity from the base game but how would it work lore wise. How would you bring this virtual dino tamed in a simulation and bring it to the real world where it is no longer virtual?

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4 hours ago, cocob1 said:

Genesis Simulation

So it was said in the stream that genesis is a simulation, which allows WC to add in things that may even be too crazy for regular arks.

So my question is, if genesis is a simulation does that mean that you cant transfer your character/dino/items to genesis maps? Similarly how would one go about transfering dinos "tamed" in a simulation out of genesis and into the "real" arks on official servers/maps?

I'm assuming it would be possible because it wouldnt make sense for genesis to be a seperate enitity from the base game but how would it work lore wise. How would you bring this virtual dino tamed in a simulation and bring it to the real world where it is no longer virtual?

Gotta assume it something like that Xmen training or Star Trek holodeck simulations. But does that mean if you transfer in dinos, they still can be killed?

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On 8/9/2019 at 9:50 PM, CyanicEmber said:

It'll be interesting to see how they handle it for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of these creatures are only available in Genesis.

Yeah, maybe... but the ARK system does contain some crazy bioengineering technology so it would be feasible to use the system to fabricate these “new” creatures created in the sim and implant the “personality” they developed in the sim with us. It’s somewhat how survivors originated after all, as far as we can tell. 

Or that could be covered by the game’s suspension of disbelief since most of the rest of it rests upon sturdy physics and other scientific foundations. For a sci-fi game, most things are actually pretty possible given some time and that level of technology (most of which could feasibly be reached by humanity in the real world). Even stuff that can’t is very well incorporated using realistic scientific principles and mechanics. 

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I've been wondering about this too. I'm assuming that you enter and leave the simulation via obelisk or transmitter as you would transfer across Arks, but it concerns me that it might be isolated from the Arks completely. If you can't bring tames and gear in or out then what good is it really?

 

Has there been an official response to this that I've simply missed?

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anyway, no matter whats mean "Genesis" or his settings, ppl is still buying it without know anything about it :P
So, for a personal opinion :  i think it could be abble to transfering, i mean no one can transfer into Genesis , but u can transf out only killing bosses or making some "quest"  (broken some corruputed program for run to exit)

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On 10/19/2019 at 9:08 AM, LordKelbor said:

Think about it this way.  How do you transfer from ark to ark? The way i've always assumed, is that you get turned into a data stream and sent.  Then turned from data back into solid mass again.  Simulation is just data...and we already have the technology to change data into matter.  Just my .02

on extinction there is no way to transfer dinos, OTHER than the tek "mini obelisk" wich i call it, maybe we can use that in genesis?

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Genesis Theories

I am new here, but make no mistake, I am not new to ark.  I have been reading lots of theories about Ark, I have also  been delving into the lore of the game, I also am doing a second ascension run with some of my friends. I am going to attempt to make theories to ark.

 

First off, we are almost certain that Genesis will take place before Extinction, evident from the Chronicle notes being placed on everywhere except Extinction. As I originally thought, HLNA is in fact, not homeodues transferred into a bot, as mentioned in the genesis chronicles, she was created by Helena, therefore the name HLNA. anyway, she mentions that the so called genesis simulation will be like scorched earth, in that it creates creatures that never really existed, which judging by what Scorch was like, we may have more "natural" weather forms. One of my thoughts for where Genesis will take place is it could be on either a specialised ark, or it was created by Helena for an unknown reason. It can't be on earth, because since it takes place before extinction, then the Titans and corruption would have found its location. which reminds me of a possibility, what if it isn't an actual place, what if Helena is calling a simulation because it is a literal simulation, could it be an entirely unreal experience, possibly to find something in arks history, since its going back in time? or to try and fix a bug that's preventing the arks from their purpose? 

 

My second thought is that we are going to be going to the first ark that was created, but that is unlikely since we are going into the genesis simulation, which could mean the first simulation? 

 

anyway, that's my first theory post

- Norman

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I don't think genesis is that kind of simulation at least not a virtual one the creatures are very much a organic the ark is seeing what would happen if element was more plentiful and what survivors will do with it. side note simulation can mean more than one thing think of the vaults in the fallout series. 

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Based on what environments we have seen so far, as well as the creatures, I think that the Arks and their inhabitants were "tested for viability" in this simulation. One of HLN-A's notes states the Magmasaur used to be on Scorched Earth, but was removed for one reason or another. I think the more extreme creatures and environments were deemed overkill or nonviable due to the difficulty they posed to survivors in this simulation. For some reason, something within the simulation is either malfunctioning due to Rockwell's arrival to Earth, or it holds some key component needed to secure the future of Earth, like coordinates to Arat Prime or something of equal importance. 

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On 8/9/2019 at 5:14 AM, cocob1 said:

Genesis Simulation

So it was said in the stream that genesis is a simulation, which allows WC to add in things that may even be too crazy for regular arks.

So my question is, if genesis is a simulation does that mean that you cant transfer your character/dino/items to genesis maps? Similarly how would one go about transfering dinos "tamed" in a simulation out of genesis and into the "real" arks on official servers/maps?

I'm assuming it would be possible because it wouldnt make sense for genesis to be a seperate enitity from the base game but how would it work lore wise. How would you bring this virtual dino tamed in a simulation and bring it to the real world where it is no longer virtual?

To answer your question as best as I can, I would like to describe to you a boss battle with an ultimate life form. When you do battle with an ultimate life form, you are technically engaging in a simulated battle with things too crazy for regular arks. Most if not all of the ultimate life forms are creatures that never really existed and were biologically engineered for the purpose of acting as gatekeepers to the overseers chamber on every ark. Every single Ark has an Overseer Chamber and ultimate life forms that act as a gatekeeper.

Genesis obeys the same functional features as all of the arks. The only difference between the Genesis Ark and a real Ark, is that one exists in "real" space and the other exists in "virtual space". The level of technology necessary to create creatures and survivors in the Arks and spawn them into the Arks are already sophisticated enough to create creatures that never really existed.

Do not get to hung up on the idea that these creatures can only exist in the Genesis Ark, the basic plot element that is being referred to is that these creatures can only exist in the Genesis Ark due to other factors such as how dangerous they are or any number of other possible reasons. This is somewhat similar to how the dragon isn't wandering around the island but is kept within a space to fulfill the intended use of the creature. Genesis Ark could have a very deep lore, possibly as a testing stage for creatures before incorporating them into the complex ecosystems of the other Arks. In the real world most things are now designed in the virtual space before building them, and the goal of the highest level of technology is to have such sufficient data that we could perfectly replicate the "real world" in the virtual space. The creators of the Ark have already accomplished this goal, and as a result all of these creatures in Genesis are already perfectly engineered to exist in the real world via the advanced systems that control the Ark. The simulated Ark will, as far as your survivor and the Ark's creatures are concerned, will be no different than what would be considered the real world, except that it exists within a virtually simulated experience and was never physically manifested in real space, not because it couldn't be but for reasons that we may learn through further exploration.

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Short Version

Yes, your creatures can die. Yes, you will be able to transfer in and our of the Genesis Ark (although bringing items, tames, and anything other than your survivor will be locked for approximately 3 months as per the standard for any official servers), it will be done via the network just like any other transferring is done, and as for how it would make sense in the lore you have to read the longer explanation above.

Now...to continue the discussion.

I believe that Genesis, as all of the other maps, is a product that is being released to fulfill a certain want or need of us, the survivors or players. Every map has granted us unique features that were not within the base game that we either wanted, the developers wanted to give us, or would fulfill some other goal to improve the customer experience. Every time new content is added, new lore is also added that vaguely details the existence of these things and in many cases justifies the features. Genesis will be fulfilling a one new role specifically that Ark survival evolved has not up to this point provided. Player driven narrative. The notes have always offered narrative, but those things always described people who came before and it isn't until the very final confrontation that for the first time the player becomes a part of those events as anything more than someone chasing ghosts of the past. I would go so far as to say many of the people who have played this game do not even know or understand what is really happening in the Arks. I have even seen popular youtube videos many times that fail to accurately explain some very simple elements of the Ark environments. From here I bring you back to the Player driven narrative. Players will now have an optional side-kick that will explain the Ark systems to players from a much more knowledgeable stand-point as opposed to what the characters from the notes did which was mostly question and try to understand things that ultimately they never fully detailed. Genesis is going to be a place where players can learn about the Ark from a new player driven perspective, as if they are the survivor writing the notes and the narrator is describing your story and the things you are learning directly to you without interrupting the gaming experience.

How about the ultimate life forms and the overseer?

With the new story telling element being introduced to Ark, there is the obvious re-telling of Ark related plot elements for those who never really stopped to read the notes. There will probably be a lot of cool factoids about the Arks, but even more than that there will be, in all likelihood , a great big canvas for Ark to use this new story-telling feature to give survivors more information that we didn't have answers to such as teasers for the future of Ark, Arat Prime, who or what created the Titans, what really happened on earth (what many of you don't realize is that Santiago concluded that war caused the corruption, and while he may be correct it was just a hypothesis that was never really proven!), what other kinds of Arks there may be, and to avoid running on we may learn more about various ultimate life forms and have a more interactive experience with the overseer's chamber. Genesis being a place where creatures are tested, or placed if they prove too dangerous for any other Ark, may in fact hold the key to understanding these Titans and Ultimate life forms! We also may be taken to the overseer chamber, if there even is one, and be able to learn more than ever before with the help of the narrative companion. You better believe that Wildcard has big plans for that little side-kick and it could very well be an amazing story-telling experience!

And that is not all, but this part will be short...

The best part here, is that Genesis is planned in two parts, which means that within part one we will definitely be learning something very important, and from that we will then need a part 2 to continue before reaching whatever epic conclusion they have planned for us!

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3 hours ago, Ownz1nR34LT1M3 said:

who or what created the Titans

Don't we already know where they came from ? The explorer notes of the one who waits, aka helena as a homo deus, describe a lot of stuff about the element and the titans, this is from note number #16:

" I have seen firsthand how the poison makes its shadows. I know how it takes lives and twists them, how it coaxes them onward with song and warmth. It promises them their every need and desire, but it only leads them down, down into the depths of madness. It is a pit so deep that none can return from it. Even the strongest. Even the most brilliant.

Yet the darkest shadows are the ones that were never truly alive to begin with, the ones born of the violet poison itself. Titanic manifestations of its ravenous hunger and endless hatred.

More than that, they are its avatars, made of its very essence. They carry pieces of the poison's collective consciousness, and they spread its influence. Destroying them would wound the poison itself.

They are both its strength and its weakness.
"

TLDR; The titans are born out of the element, acting as the elements avatar

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On 10/17/2019 at 3:17 AM, CorruptedEwok said:

I've been wondering about this too. I'm assuming that you enter and leave the simulation via obelisk or transmitter as you would transfer across Arks, but it concerns me that it might be isolated from the Arks completely. If you can't bring tames and gear in or out then what good is it really?

 

Has there been an official response to this that I've simply missed?

It's a new map, that's what's good about it.  I personally feel that using new maps as simple a new place to harvest resources lessens them.  Most of the new maps only feel complete when they do not allow outside dinosaurs or gear onto them.

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1 hour ago, Ownz1nR34LT1M3 said:

I can't disagree than there is much said on the subject, but I will have to disagree that we have the full story. Born out of element doesn't really describe much about how, who, etc. That was an awesome example though so I think you for that!

The question of "who" is  kinda clear because ... well it's the element you know ? there isn't anyone behind it , it's just the element, which is described to be somewhat conscious.

" For the truth is, it's more than just a poison. It's alive.

And it's the enemy.
"(The one who waits #13)

as for the "how", i have to agree that we don't have the full story here as we have never actually seen something getting born out of the element, or something "clean" being corrupted ingame (idk if rockwells notes on aberration count).

I'll have to admit that "born out of the element" is not that accurate, but it doesn't leave much room for imagination either, does it ?

 

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