Remove detection ability from the Parasaur when it's being carried by a flyer

[Melcreif]

The Parasaur and the find the hidden base meta

Curious what folks think about this new meta where tribes carry a Parasaur around to find small hidden bases for raiding purposes.  In the past some folks, myself included would enjoy the idea of creating a small hidden base somewhere in order to allow them the time to stockpile supplies where at some point they may or may not build up somewhere when their ready.  This new Meta almost completely eliminates the ability to do this.  Instead we are forced to go out and attempt to acquire cryopods instead, and we must also kill ourselves or at the very least log off somewhere outside our bases.  Is this what the devs envisioned when adding these new abilities to the Parasaur?  Is it possible this was an unforeseen side ability where the real intent was to warn a tribe of a potential intruder instead and therefore being more defensive instead of offensive?  What do you folks who play PVP think about this and whether or not we should request WC to remove detection ability from the Parasaur when it's being carried by a flyer.

[SMP]

As someone who starts with the small, hidden base, I'm not worried about parasaur detection at all.  I realize I'm at my most vulnerable in those first few days and grind to suitable defenses ASAP.  That's a small window of time to be caught by one of the few players who actually use the detection.

[Melcreif]

7 minutes ago, SMP said:

As someone who starts with the small, hidden base, I'm not worried about parasaur detection at all.  I realize I'm at my most vulnerable in those first few days and grind to suitable defenses ASAP.  That's a small window of time to be caught by one of the few players who actually use the detection.

It depends on what you call a small window.  For some folks who only play a couple hours a night max like myself we need maybe 5 days to get to the point of not worrying about detection.  5 days is not insignificant.

[Joebl0w13]

I'm inclined to think this is an unintended mechanic.

It also completely removes the ability to hide items in Purlos and Reapers. Pretty sure that's exactly why Purlos were created in the first place.

[Melcreif]

3 minutes ago, Joebl0w13 said:

I'm inclined to think this is an unintended mechanic.

It also completely removes the ability to hide items in Purlos and Reapers. Pretty sure that's exactly why Purlos were created in the first place.

I completely agree.

[Aylana314159]

The loophole would be the para on a quetz platform 

[Joebl0w13]

4 minutes ago, Aylana314159 said:

The loophole would be the para on a quetz platform 

Disable it from working on mobile platforms.

Meh, if you fly the whole map with a Quetz at the speed they fly now, you almost deserve to use this lol

[Aylana314159]

8 minutes ago, Joebl0w13 said:

Disable it from working on mobile platforms.

Meh, if you fly the whole map with a Quetz at the speed they fly now, you almost deserve to use this lol

I don't play PvP. Just pointing out a possible loophole.

[AcyanidePancake]

imma have to say that it depends on the servers player count the map and the size and probably the toxicity level of the people ?. but in all reality they really should disable the ability to pick up parasaurs all together i think, if you cant pick it up with a flyer then you cant fly around cheating in a sense.

another thing is that they would have to disable it for all dinos with a platform saddle not just the quetz. take extinction for example 

imagination someone with the frost or tree titan wandering the map with a parasaur on its back looking for a base to Unicorn. it would be so broken cuz the titans are op as fudge same with a titanosaur.

however there is nothing stopping someone from just riding the parasaur everywhere. riding the parasaur around without the aid of a platform dino or flyer cant really be argued with. its within fair bounds

[Joebl0w13]

16 minutes ago, AcyanidePancake said:

riding the parasaur around without the aid of a platform dino or flyer cant really be argued with. its within fair bounds

Brings up a good point. And normally I would think, sure, you're risking riding a really weak dino around it's almost a decent trade-off.

Then again, if the mechanic was intended that it was for guarding over bases, just disable it unless the dino is not moving at all. Problem solved. If you want to fly it some place. park it, (maybe give it a small cooldown), wait for the cooldown and then... pick it up and move again. Just to find a base. Fine.

But that's a far cry from the way it is now. Turn it on, pick it up and zoom around the map.

Or... make it so it just doesn't detect Reapers or purlos... solves some of the problems with hidden loot.

[Melcreif]

16 minutes ago, Joebl0w13 said:

Brings up a good point. And normally I would think, sure, you're risking riding a really weak dino around it's almost a decent trade-off.

Then again, if the mechanic was intended that it was for guarding over bases, just disable it unless the dino is not moving at all. Problem solved. If you want to fly it some place. park it, (maybe give it a small cooldown), wait for the cooldown and then... pick it up and move again. Just to find a base. Fine.

But that's a far cry from the way it is now. Turn it on, pick it up and zoom around the map.

Or... make it so it just doesn't detect Reapers or purlos... solves some of the problems with hidden loot.

I like your first option, or maybe if a Parasaur is being carried it can't detect.  The hidden loot mechanic is important, but so the ability to just create a hidden base in say dense trees while also being able to have a few dinos as well.  With the current Meta none of those are options anymore.

[AcyanidePancake]

1 hour ago, Joebl0w13 said:

Brings up a good point. And normally I would think, sure, you're risking riding a really weak dino around it's almost a decent trade-off.

Then again, if the mechanic was intended that it was for guarding over bases, just disable it unless the dino is not moving at all.

you could but that brings up my second point that people would put it on a platform Dino. the parasaur isnt technically moving only the parcer or quetz (depending of course) therefore it could still detect bases and purlos/reapers while on the move.

and while this may or may not be a common thing it is worth mentioning that if you cryopod a parasaur and go to a location you think may be within range of enemy territory and just explore.you might find something if not then pack it up and rinse and repeat. it is still abusable but maybe not as commonplace.

and maybe put the parasaur on a raft but that would only help next to rivers thankfully evin if the parasaurs sense ability is fairly large in size.

[Melcreif]

7 minutes ago, AcyanidePancake said:

you could but that brings up my second point that people would put it on a platform Dino. the parasaur isnt technically moving only the parcer or quetz (depending of course) therefore it could still detect bases and purlos/reapers while on the move.

and while this may or may not be a common thing it is worth mentioning that if you cryopod a parasaur and go to a location you think may be within range of enemy territory and just explore.you might find something if not then pack it up and rinse and repeat. it is still abusable but maybe not as commonplace.

and maybe put the parasaur on a raft but that would only help next to rivers thankfully evin if the parasaurs sense ability is fairly large in size.

I'd be fine with that and I don't think it'd be used nearly as much as it is now.  The amount of work to either use a very slow Quetzal and possibly get it shot down might be too much for most folks, or any other method vs using an Argie or Wyvern would be acceptable to me.  Right now the current method of pick it up with an Argie or Wyvern really hurts the game.

[AcyanidePancake]

yeah i feel

[FinkYourBig]

Changes to Parasaur turret mode

I believe the parasaur turret modes need to be updated. the ability is too overpowered against solo/duo players. trying to survive as a solo is already a challenge itself yet unless you have sufficient turrets or cryopods its nearly impossible to last as the new meta is simply people flying around with a parasaur in order to find all your hidden bases and tames. 

i think this needs to be addressed either by not allowing turret mode to detect offline players or tames, or simply instead making it the way it is intended. can only detect players or tames in range of your own base. not anywhere on the map. 

Either way i hope this gets fixed as im sick of players constantly killing helpless solos hiding in ultra hidden bases purely because they are able to use one of the easiest tames on ark. 

[ThePryBar]

Yea this isn't an issue. I play only pvp and since this was introduced I have yet to see anyone carrying one around. It's been my experience that 90% of hidden bases have parasaurs on turret mode inside their hiding spot that alert nearby raiders that a hidden base is near. Using them to detect purlovias or reapers hidden in the terrain is great, it seems kinda dumb to have hidden creatures but no way of finding them.

Makes a useless tame useful.

[Joebl0w13]

1 minute ago, ThePryBar said:

it seems kinda dumb to have hidden creatures but no way of finding them

wut

It's exactly the point of having a hidden creature.

[Melcreif]

24 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

it seems kinda dumb to have hidden creatures but no way of finding them.

Makes a useless tame useful.

If you've actually followed the thread you'll note that folks have come up with very good ideas to counter the crazy bad mechanic that currently exists of flying around a Wyvern or Argie with a Parasaur looking for hidden bases.  Yes, this is happening all the time thanks to Youtubers like HOD gaming for sharing this mechanic it's happening more and more.  If folks are determined to find hidden creatures and bases let's not make it all so easy for them shall we?  Most folks hide bases because they don't really have any good defenses up yet and choose to hide instead.  It's a cool tactic that's alot of fun and is completely ruined by the new Parasaur carry meta.

[ThePryBar]

12 minutes ago, Melcreif said:

If you've actually followed the thread you'll note that folks have come up with very good ideas to counter the crazy bad mechanic that currently exists of flying around a Wyvern or Argie with a Parasaur looking for hidden bases.  Yes, this is happening all the time thanks to Youtubers like HOD gaming for sharing this mechanic it's happening more and more.  If folks are determined to find hidden creatures and bases let's not make it all so easy for them shall we?  Most folks hide bases because they don't really have any good defenses up yet and choose to hide instead.  It's a cool tactic that's alot of fun and is completely ruined by the new Parasaur carry meta.

I have read the thread and I completely disagree with you.  As I stated I am constantly active in pvp and still to this day have yet to see this happening. If it was as common as you folks claim then people would be non stop complaining in global. 

 

So how would you find a hidden creature in a featureless location? Just ride around biting the ground with your rex?

[Joebl0w13]

1 minute ago, ThePryBar said:

I have read the thread and I completely disagree with you.  As I stated I am constantly active in pvp and still to this day have yet to see this happening. If it was as common as you folks claim then people would be non stop complaining in global. 

I see 2 other tribes on my servers doing it. I do it as well. I find all sorts of stuff that should by all rights be hidden.

1 minute ago, ThePryBar said:

So how would you find a hidden creature in a featureless location

You don't. Hence the point of the dinos ability to hide.

[Melcreif]

6 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

I have read the thread and I completely disagree with you.  As I stated I am constantly active in pvp and still to this day have yet to see this happening. If it was as common as you folks claim then people would be non stop complaining in global. 

 

 

Clearly this thread was not meant for you.  You can go away now ?

[ThePryBar]

3 minutes ago, Joebl0w13 said:

I see 2 other tribes on my servers doing it. I do it as well. I find all sorts of stuff that should by all rights be hidden.

You don't. Hence the point of the dinos ability to hide.

So let me get this straight you are against this ability and you don't think that it should be a thing yet you actively engage in doing it. That's like saying that you hate meshing and think that it should be fixed but until it is you continue to mesh yourself.

 

It's called balance. An animal that can hide needs an animal that can uncover it. 

[Joebl0w13]

5 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

So let me get this straight you are against this ability and you don't think that it should be a thing yet you actively engage in doing it.

Bingo.

5 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

That's like saying that you hate meshing and think that it should be fixed but until it is you continue to mesh yourself

Not even remotely. 

[ThePryBar]

17 minutes ago, Melcreif said:

Clearly this thread was not meant for you.  You can go away now ?

Only people that agree with you can comment?

[Melcreif]

1 minute ago, ThePryBar said:

Only people that agree with you can comment?

I'm simply stating that you can't relate to the subject, it actually doesn't seem to affect you, so why bother us with your dribble?

[Melcreif]

18 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

So let me get this straight you are against this ability and you don't think that it should be a thing yet you actively engage in doing it. That's like saying that you hate meshing and think that it should be fixed but until it is you continue to mesh yourself.

 

It's called balance. An animal that can hide needs an animal that can uncover it. 

Comparing meshing with carrying a Parasaur around to find hidden bases isn't comparable, try again.  

Nobody is suggested that the Parasaurs ability should be removed, only that it's currently way to easy to find hidden bases and creatures.  One thing that drew me to this game was how you could make a hidden base in the woods and it could be hard for someone to find it.  If you have even a dodo at your base this tactic is over.