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Remove detection ability from the Parasaur when it's being carried by a flyer


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The Parasaur and the find the hidden base meta

Curious what folks think about this new meta where tribes carry a Parasaur around to find small hidden bases for raiding purposes.  In the past some folks, myself included would enjoy the idea of creating a small hidden base somewhere in order to allow them the time to stockpile supplies where at some point they may or may not build up somewhere when their ready.  This new Meta almost completely eliminates the ability to do this.  Instead we are forced to go out and attempt to acquire cryopods instead, and we must also kill ourselves or at the very least log off somewhere outside our bases.  Is this what the devs envisioned when adding these new abilities to the Parasaur?  Is it possible this was an unforeseen side ability where the real intent was to warn a tribe of a potential intruder instead and therefore being more defensive instead of offensive?  What do you folks who play PVP think about this and whether or not we should request WC to remove detection ability from the Parasaur when it's being carried by a flyer.

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18 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

So let me get this straight you are against this ability and you don't think that it should be a thing yet you actively engage in doing it. That's like saying that you hate meshing and think that it should be fixed but until it is you continue to mesh yourself.

 

It's called balance. An animal that can hide needs an animal that can uncover it. 

Comparing meshing with carrying a Parasaur around to find hidden bases isn't comparable, try again.  

Nobody is suggested that the Parasaurs ability should be removed, only that it's currently way to easy to find hidden bases and creatures.  One thing that drew me to this game was how you could make a hidden base in the woods and it could be hard for someone to find it.  If you have even a dodo at your base this tactic is over.

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To any concerned about detection. Kill yourself. And what I mean is suicide your character after each play session and don't re spawn until the next. As for your tames, while still building up use only high value expendable tames like Parasaurs and Dimporphodons. Kill them at the end of a play session (you and your tames can't be detected if not there to detect). Or station them at a resource gathering camp that is not actually your base (your base is where your main spawn is and where you keep your most valuable items).

If you play frequently enough with long enough play sessions, another tame/valuable item option is sticking them into ARK Data. It only preserves for 24 hours and tames have a 12 hour cooldown after download before you can upload them again. But you can keep things 100% safe in a loot beam. The most dangerous part of it is the point of uploading and downloading (as you're vulnerable to attack).

Later down the line cryopods are a great way to hide tames and conserve space. It's a fairly low level engram (51) that any player at that level should have the resources to easily make a lot of them.

One more thing you can do is not talk in global. You may not realize but generally speaking talking in global gives away a lot of information about where your base is and makes people generally curious about where your located and what you have going on with your setup. It's attention that you don't need in those first few days. If you feel the need to talk in global be very cautious. a good general rule is to not tell anyone anything that you don't need them to know.

Asking a question not covered in the games documentation is fine. Getting someone's steam or discord info so you can talk to them more privately is fine. Talking about what your taming or the troubles your having is not. That tells people a lot more than you think.

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There is ZERO (0) point in trying to hide a base in ARK.   Removed 100% of the potential fun.
Sadly I moved from solo play to online play thinking that secret locations I had discovered in solo play would be applicable in online.   I put much effort into thinking of places to conceal my bases... and was prepared to take over a server.

I shall not make the mistake of purchasing any other games ARK related.

My plan was to have a secret base where I could breed dinos in online play. .. as a solo player.  

In solo I built a raft gunship and had some very nice base locations.. a bit swampy.. but very good.  I know all the swamp river routes and can go from south rivers to the northern outlets by river rafts alone.   blindfolded.

It was bad enough I had to deal with dinos that didnt even exist on my server...  All any group had to do was fly around on a dragon with a parasaur (whatever they're called)... This stopped me from playing any expansions also..

I LOVED THE FIRST ARK  SOLO GAME... 100%... but I only played it to learn how it worked so I could compete online... someday..

If the parasaur flying base detection didnt exist I'd have given this game a 5 star rating.

I am no slouch player on solo.  I breeded some very colorful dinos.  I watched a dozen phlinger foo videos... I was decent at the solo game.

My plan going into ark online was simple... create through much hard work, diligence and effort... (Fun)... a Dimorphodon grow op.  

I did try to have a fake base near my secret bases... so every time someone flew past with a parasuar in its clutches.. the alarm would give me a minute to move to my fake base and accept my imminent demise... letting my truer base remain secret.

Plus the bases needed replacing... you should let the bases remain as long as the players have logged on in the past few days/weeks...

I was willing to give it ago against some of the guilds... or whatever online calls them... I generally began to hate the game after I realized the potential for fun was lost due to incompetence from the games producers.  KUDOS for making ark SOLO a tad fun.. but I'm an online gamer..

I mastered rafts and caught at least half the breeds on my server in traps, etc.

Online has no point.    You might as well be a BOB.. for there is no place to hide...

Do servers exist without this OP parasaur ability?   Maybe?   I dont care anymore.. I stopped playing the game well over a year ago.   I heard of an ARK 2 in the works.. and thought Id let them know why I'd never buy it.

Not that the DEVs care about the user experience.. I mean.. they did sell me the original game... (My mistake.  I take responsibility).

This game likely has lost many players who thought they could build a base under a tree canopy without a stupid level 1 parasaur ruining their entire operation.

I realized online breeding would be 100% impossible.. unless part of the strongest guild.. and whats the fun of that.. and whats the fun for them if there is no competition.

MY GUIDE TO ONLINE ARK:
join the biggest guild and fly around with a parasuar grieving newbs.  PERIOD.   That is the only fun youre allowed in this game.

Tame a few low level dimorphodons to attack any on dragons you can lure out to sea... might be fun for a few plays... but this game was obviously hopeless and seemingly beyond repair... Not while a low level parasaur can detect your nursery or base you had hoped was secret... Ive seen hundreds of videos talk about good secret locations.. They are all BULL.    No base can be kept secret.    You can hide stuff offline if you get cryopods or something similar (I gave up on game before I got a cryopod... I am not stupid enough to play a game that is pointless).

Those reading obviously still play and probably love the parasaurs so they can root out competitors before they get a foothold.. but no solo player can be anything but a build on beach fodder...

This game had the potential for online greatness... greatness... greatness.. but it is a shell of what it could have been.   But... a pathetic grief fest is all it is and ever will be.

Sorry if this seems harsh... I am honestly telling why I (a very experienced solo player.  I know more about breeding and building than most here).   FOUND THE ONLINE VERSION to be complete and utter poop... not even good as fertilizer.

I am a skileld player... I built storage in underwater areas of rafts.   I had bases that were disguised as raft capture pens.   I had obvious secondary bases to run to when parasaurs flew overhead... I have bred many dinos for their ability increased (and understand the mechanics of).   I played solo for over a month.. preparing for online.

I am not a dumb player... or anti social.. In world of warcraft I ran a level 25 guild with 999 maximum members (albeit some were alts). "Clan of the elders".

Maybe this game has removed that parasaur ability since I last played.. I dont know.   Dont really care... but I thought it worth signing up for this forum just to tell the devs why their online game sucks... boiled down to one word.. "Parasaurs" - overpowered flying parasaurs.

How a stupid parasaur ruined ark online... (true story.. not that anyone cares)




 

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On 7/9/2019 at 12:00 PM, AcyanidePancake said:

imma have to say that it depends on the servers player count the map and the size and probably the toxicity level of the people ?. but in all reality they really should disable the ability to pick up parasaurs all together i think, if you cant pick it up with a flyer then you cant fly around cheating in a sense.

another thing is that they would have to disable it for all dinos with a platform saddle not just the quetz. take extinction for example 

imagination someone with the frost or tree titan wandering the map with a parasaur on its back looking for a base to Unicorn. it would be so broken cuz the titans are op as fudge same with a titanosaur.

however there is nothing stopping someone from just riding the parasaur everywhere. riding the parasaur around without the aid of a platform dino or flyer cant really be argued with. its within fair bounds

Toxic?  It depends on the toxicity level of the people?  Do you even play PvP?  ALL PvPers are toxic.  That is the whole point it seems.  I stopped playing PvP altogether once this came out.  With only 1-2 hours a day 6 days a week to play as a solo player it was impossible to stay alive for more than 3 days.  Most of the time I was found and dead/raided before the first 24 hours was up.  I agree whole-heartedly the Parasaurs detection ability needs to be fine-tuned so it turns off automatically when the Parasaur is moving in any way at all.  Simple, easy, logical and fair.

Anyone can ride around on a Parasaur and trigger the ability to scout the way ahead for hidden or unseen creatures/tames.  But, they must stop for at least 1 second for it to be available to trigger.  This is not too much for direct use by a normal rider, but will keep it from being abused in any way.  Also, the detection ping should immediately disappear if turret is turned off in any way (manually or automatically).  This also will help with overall abuse options.  A low level, will never fight you back, early game tame should not be this massively OP throughout the game.

Sitting still in turret mode at a base for detection purposes, no problem.  But, moving will need finesse and limited strategy.

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First.   Ark is one of th best games ever. Period.  This is meant a sCONSTRUCTIVE Criticism.. in hopes they do not repeat the error.. if its an error.

I am no slouch... I have bred

  • Thylacoleo.
  • Sabertooth. ...
  • Baryonyx.
  • Argents

I have been through the island on every river... not so tough.   I have constructed guns and fridges and huge breeding bases...

BEST GAME EVER.... UNTIL.. You go online.

Now I am a keen solo player.   I can survive in crowded guild servers.   I have built some surprise rafts... I felt like including screenshots but youve all seen bred Baryonyx...   Now...

BREEDING ONLINE:   Has anyone seen this outside of a guild by solo players.   It is easy enough if you find a secluded place...

Now.. The one stupid thing that made me quit online... is that stupid Parasaur.. and any of the decent ark players out there that have tried soloing it online.. have learned to dread...

My Workaround...   I noticed that every few days.. especially on weekends.   People would fly around in packs with a Parasaur...   Whenever I would hear the stupid thing.. I'd drop what I was doing and run to my fake base.. just far enough away they cannot find my real stuff.    So I let them kill me and destroy my entry level base.. and stop playing for a while.

They did not find me using stealth... They did not find me by following me or searching.. No... a stupid parasaur.

Now.. Breeding... Um.. No.   How can you breed anything online if youre just going to get raided.    I understand I could build a solo base with 100 guns in many secret locations.. but I knew the island well so I had a few places there that I could build secret bases.    My bases went undetected.    I'd often have them in the treetops with only a  metal pole to be seen like a tree...  

I am not complaining about the game.. I love all the animals... I loved catching the big ones...   I have a raft that can cathc argents.. Its that trap online with the gate and railings.. I just put it atop a raft..   Little human bait.  

I hope someone reads this that was or is a good player and understands that this game could have been one of the greater online games.. still is I suppose to some...

But I wanted to build Dimorphodon Army.. that online trap... That's my wheelhouse.   Someone flies too close to your trap... they become dimorphodon food.

All of this is possible still as a solo player,. but that stupid stupid stupid parasaur made my competitors job a little too easy...

Here is my impression of ARK ONLINE now:

Guildy:   Look.. My Dinosaur is Blue.   Lets fly around and kill newbs on the beach.. Okay sure.

It could have been so much more...

I hope something kills off the parasaur in future versions of online gaming.    Bolo them and push them off a cliff.. and leave them there.

Ark SOLO rules 10/10... Ark Online.. 3/10

Anyone who has lost a base to a brain dead parasaur raise your hand.











 

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Yes.. Just when you thought it was safe to come out of the woods.. flying parasaurs... You can carry parasaurs set on alarm mode with any flying critter...  You can find anyone in their base.. just grab your parasaur and fly around. 

The online version of this game is guilds picking their butts killing newbs.. no competition and a lot lame.

I dont think anyone cares that it destroyed the online  game for actual gamers.

If you want to play online.. join a guild on day one.    Never think you can have a secret base like in the old videos... not possible now.  Breeding online.. fat chance solo.

A solo player should have at least some fighting chances.. and secret bases might improve the game.

I bet most players would prefer secret bases over gun defenses if solo.  Too bad its not possible anymore.

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On 9/4/2021 at 4:49 PM, Darconio said:

Yes.. Just when you thought it was safe to come out of the woods.. flying parasaurs... You can carry parasaurs set on alarm mode with any flying critter...  You can find anyone in their base.. just grab your parasaur and fly around. 

The online version of this game is guilds picking their butts killing newbs.. no competition and a lot lame.

I dont think anyone cares that it destroyed the online  game for actual gamers.

If you want to play online.. join a guild on day one.    Never think you can have a secret base like in the old videos... not possible now.  Breeding online.. fat chance solo.

A solo player should have at least some fighting chances.. and secret bases might improve the game.

I bet most players would prefer secret bases over gun defenses if solo.  Too bad its not possible anymore.

Actually this was an interesting conversation, but it's become more obsolete thanks to how easy it is now to get cryopods. We have a hidden base that has been safe for awhile, any creatures we've tamed are all in cryo and we make sure to kill ourselves after each play session. Nobody will be finding our base with Parasaurs.

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On 9/8/2021 at 11:56 AM, Melcreif said:

Actually this was an interesting conversation, but it's become more obsolete thanks to how easy it is now to get cryopods. We have a hidden base that has been safe for awhile, any creatures we've tamed are all in cryo and we make sure to kill ourselves after each play session. Nobody will be finding our base with Parasaurs.

The idea that you have to kill yourself and cryo ALL of your dinos after every play session just to maintain any sort of security is absolutely ridiculous.
I use the cryopods too, however I shouldn't be forced to in order to try and hide.

Also makes breeding impossible.

Seriously, this should have been patched years ago.

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I'd like to further elaborate on a solution for this issue.

The concept of using a Parasaur to detect players in my opinion is really cool, not something I want gone.
However, there needs to be a way to ensure the Parasaur can't detect your base.

A sort of plant and/or powered structure could be added that negates the Parasaur's detecting abilities while it's on.

A tame that does this same thing would work too, but that could be used offensively as well, like the Parasaur, and that's what those of us here are trying to prevent.
By having a device that requires electricity, it makes the device a whole lot harder to use offensively.

Sure, they can place down a generator and turrets, and bob's your uncle, however it still costs resources vs the Parasaur that doesn't cost hardly any resources.
Platform saddles exist sure, except it's kind of hard to miss those with the naked eye.


Just my thoughts.
As it stands, the Parasaur makes PvP servers annoying to play on, as having to do the song and dance of suiciding and cryopodding every night/morning gets repetitive fast.

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