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Also if we are going off of what the explorer notes say, this is #29 of Helena's from SE. 

The transporter that can take us back to the "control center" station is in the ruins of another city, south of the mountains. Wali believes that it was destroyed by the obelisks, just like the city in the southeast.

I didn't press her for details, not that I'd have gotten any. Wali's more tight lipped about those ruins than anything. I had to practically beg her to take me to the southeastern city, and while we were there, she spent most of her time just gazing out into the distance.

No sense in bringing her mood down with that rubbish now. After all that she's done for me, I'd like give her a nice, proper farewell.

 

At least add in the ruins or make it more obvious which ruins they are talking about so we can follow in their footsteps.

 

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8 hours ago, UDGxKnight said:

They already confirmed they have no plans to do this because they feel that Scorched Earth is already completed story wise. Rockwell and Helena didn't have to ascend so why would we?

 

7 hours ago, Cedric said:

This is correct.

Wildcard have indeed sad that, but it doesn't mean the fans don't want it. TBH the fact that it still is in game suggestions shows that people really want this. In fact people have pushed to get ahold of modders so that they can make this a reality and push it in the main game.  In fact at the very start of last year it was said that it and the tek wyvern saddle could come out.  Also the claim it was finished is flawed considering that the phoenix ended up being added, and it was originally said way back when sourced was released it would get lots of new content (phoenix isn't lots). 

 

Also the claim regarding the lore is not valid because it only says how helena got off the station,  not us. We should be able to get off the station to aberration through an ascension because the chances are that ascension would be how we got to aberration.  The thing is we are not helena and we need to see a cutscene to find out. Otherwise we just magically teleported which is not true. Also this map has only died out because of generator decay. Otherwise the map would be playable for most people because surprisingly enough the map is loved. It is just unlivable on official due to the stupid generator needing constant repair not being difficult but a pain in the ass. Well that and Ragnarok. 

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I AGREE! I know in one of the streams that the devs did, they said they weren't going to add in an ascension because they felt the storyline was complete for SE. I think it is very odd that every map besides SE has an ascension, and a lot of players that follow the storyline when progressing through the game (The Island -> SE -> Aberration -> Extinction) would probably feel a larger sense of completion if there was an ascension. Also add in the wyvern tek saddle already! 

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On 5/16/2019 at 2:00 PM, UDGxKnight said:

Someone explain to me why this is still a topic of conversation? SE doesn't need ascension. The story is finely laid out. Helena and Rockwell DID NOT ascend to leave SE so why in the world would we?

The Systems of the Arks were explained to us to be failing from long before we were spawned on them thanks to Helena's integration on Extinction. SE's ascension programing failed and we and everyone else are free to come and go as we please without the Overseer's permission. Honestly the Overseer is probably inactive and the station is running on auto pilot. 

I dont wan't useless ascension content on an old map. I want something new to work for and discover. SE had its time and now its time for new stuff.

It is still a topic because a lot of people want it and it should be included. And you are blatantly wrong. Regardless of what the devs have tried to get you to believe, it does mention an ascension sort of transition off of SE in the notes. They go through a portal in an old ruined city. They at least need to add that in if they are following the lore. Besides that, stop being so negative about this. Just because you don't want it doesn't mean others don't. And why add new stuff when you can make your current stuff even better? Your argument makes no sense.

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Scorched earth ascension would be very nice because it would basically finish the ark story because on each map you ascend  and go to the next map to ascend even if you don’t get extra levels (it would be nice though) just to have a change up to the specimen implant, spice it up a little give it a new look!

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Maybe just a cutscene for beating the manticore?

Maybe a full blown Ascension even though I feel that the cave in the desert looks alot like what I would expect from an ascensionesque cave on scorched, it spirals down into the dark depths, it looks like the bottom of the cave has been destroyed so even though I support a scorched earth Ascension I am much more in favour of just a scorched earth cutscene

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2 hours ago, Lowly said:

Maybe just a cutscene for beating the manticore?

Maybe a full blown Ascension even though I feel that the cave in the desert looks alot like what I would expect from an ascensionesque cave on scorched, it spirals down into the dark depths, it looks like the bottom of the cave has been destroyed so even though I support a scorched earth Ascension I am much more in favour of just a scorched earth cutscene

That is true but I think a better ascension would be to have the oversser as three weaker island bosses followed by the overseer as the manticore. Then when you beat that,(like tek cave but more so arena) You teleport to the main panel and face off a programmed hyrda possessed by the overseer. Afterwards you get the cutscene. All you need is 20 dinos and it is unique enough to be worthy of a fight. 

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1 minute ago, ToxicAntidote said:

That is true but I think a better ascension would be to have the oversser as three weaker island bosses followed by the overseer as the manticore. Then when you beat that,(like tek cave but more so arena) You teleport to the main panel and face off a programmed hyrda possessed by the overseer. Afterwards you get the cutscene. All you need is 20 dinos and it is unique enough to be worthy of a fight. 

I agree this would be super awesome, but going with the developers statements so far.

There are no plans for SE Ascension but forever ago Jeremy did say that a cutscene was planned for scorched earth, so if we could entice them into doing the cutscene first then padding in an Ascension would be an easier task to levy them into by saying, look at scorched player counts since the cutscene was added, people want more from that map

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Ok so the story is complete no ascension for Scorched Earth. Let's say we added in a small cave only accessible on foot no dinos allowed. Fight your way to the end to a terminal that's the port to Aberration. Have a tribute maybe all 3 levels of Manticore, Alpha Wyvern trophy, Alpha Deathworm trophy, and let's say 100 of each wyvern talon to activate it. A little cutscene maybe a skin and something on your implant saying you escaped scorched. Just saying

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1 hour ago, Cedric said:

Whoops, I merged this the wrong way (caused the one with the least votes to be the primary one).  My bad!

 

3 minutes ago, divisd1 said:

I feel like it should be a priority though. Make the content you already have released be better by listening to what the community is suggesting. Obviously many people want it. Some for the cinematic, some for the sense of completion, and some just for the additional levels. I can guarantee you that one way to make the community happy is to focus on improving current content instead of introducing tons of new broken content. Things like working on reducing meshing, TLC passes for some of the ugliest dinos in the game, and adding in some kind of endgame scene for SE are just a few ways to do that. Plus, back in the day when the community crunches used to have Q&A sessions, Jeremy told us a Scorched Ascension was coming. We were also told a long time ago that there would most likely be some special tek engrams that we would gain from SE, like the tek wyvern saddle. Remember the Hive creature that has been in the dev kit for years? That was supposed to come out sometime, but never has as well. I feel like just saying "we feel the story is complete now" is just an excuse for not having to make an ending scene for scorched. Just my opinion. But seriously, take the suggestions from your community and treat them as actual possibilities if you are going to ask them for suggestions.

 

5 hours ago, Cedric said:

While I agree, a S.E. ascension would be epic, I don't want anyone to get their hopes up here.  Ascension cinematics use a ton of team resources (for months) and for the company, the story is complete for S.S.  Ascension end cinematics and boss fights are amazing, but it would probably be better to invest those resources elsewhere on other content.

 

18 minutes ago, ElectricMoose21 said:

You say that but the thing is most of your playerbase want this, this was one of the most upvoted suggestions despite you guys saying no, (until this recent mistake of yours).  The fact is your playerbase believes that the resources should be invested into this. This is probably  the only  content the community will accept. Simply put, a new boss, some new creatures on an existing map won't create many problems.  Aberration and Extinction broke the game to where we are now. Scorched Earth Ascension, unlike other content, i.e a new map/game mode  cannot be as harmful.  Those resources are better in this setting. 

 

Also you can tell we  want this when we still push for it after it was gone. Don't worry about getting hopes up people just want to push you guys to do it.  

Clearly according to the community, the resources should not go elesewhere. You can see that this is only behind pvp concerns and pvp/pve balance changes. This tells you that people want it depiste what you said at the homestead dev stream, especially when considering you guys claim the resources are hard but there are many suggestions. The problem is you guys think new content would be better but we differ. Specifically now, new content breaks the game, an ascension boss and cutscene with new tek may rebalance the pvp meta but it won't break the game like extinction snow owl meshing or mesh holes on extinction that broke the center. Honestly we don't need new dlc or even maps right now, the only content we should this ascension.

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5 hours ago, THEBEAST0503 said:

I agree scorched doesnt really get played on anymore because of rag desert. A boss ending would make it more popular. It really has alot of potential

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a boss ending its just normal, cuz overseer want to stop us on the island, why not on scorched earth? all map story have a cinematic, its the story, even if 2 people story from island, never transfert on scorched earth but on abberation, rockwell and Helena yes

 

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1 hour ago, Lowly said:

I agree this would be super awesome, but going with the developers statements so far.

There are no plans for SE Ascension but forever ago Jeremy did say that a cutscene was planned for scorched earth, so if we could entice them into doing the cutscene first then padding in an Ascension would be an easier task to levy them into by saying, look at scorched player counts since the cutscene was added, people want more from that map

I know but the thing is if they do this. They need to remove the generator maintenance. People only went to scorched for tames because the problem was they had to keep fixing the generator which was an unfair disadvantage to players who lived in the island. Also Ragnarok was a big mistake though that is something we can sort out after ascension honestly. They said they have no plans but now we are pushing this and this will probably be a top suggestion honestly so we can't be ignored.  Generally though it needs new creatures as well to buy time. BTW take out scorched creatures from extinction. They are useless and if you bring scorched engrams then people will complain because you didn't bring abb engrams so just take out the scorched creatures. (Except for corrupted obviously). 

 

Aside from the generator maintenance and scorhced earth ascension,  the rest can come after.

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12 hours ago, UDGxKnight said:

They already confirmed they have no plans to do this because they feel that Scorched Earth is already completed story wise. Rockwell and Helena didn't have to ascend so why would we?

 

12 hours ago, Cedric said:

This is correct.

Aside from the fact that the final notes of helena and Rockwell don't imply anything it still is not a valid argument when considering the events of aberration.  Aberration had Helena and everyone use a portal to get to earth that they  made, not the arks. Ascension was not how they got to earth yet we still got a cutscene of landing in extinction.   Also you can argue that unlike helena we ascend to earth from aberration because we beat the boss that was preventing us from going to earth.  From what I recall Rockwell became the overseer and therefore its safe to assume the portal is an ascension tool now that we re calibrated the ark.   That's exactly why we should ascend from scorched earth to aberration. 

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Personally I could not care any less about the story line or cinematic whatever, just give us 15 more levels lol. I feel this is ultimately what most people are after.


Especially with rockwell being basically impossible without playing ab and raising drakes. Where as the other bosses can be defeated with an army you can raise anywhere, most just want the levels. At this point no one is starting fresh on ab... so anyone that hit max level after island ascension is basically stuck

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17 hours ago, ToxicAntidote said:

That is true but I think a better ascension would be to have the oversser as three weaker island bosses followed by the overseer as the manticore. Then when you beat that,(like tek cave but more so arena) You teleport to the main panel and face off a programmed hyrda possessed by the overseer. Afterwards you get the cutscene. All you need is 20 dinos and it is unique enough to be worthy of a fight. 

Little known fact, the dev kit has a manticore variant of the overseer boss. So it looks like at one point they were maybe working on it.

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5 hours ago, Cedric said:

While I agree, a S.E. ascension would be epic, I don't want anyone to get their hopes up here.  Ascension cinematics use a ton of team resources (for months) and for the company, the story is complete for S.S.  Ascension end cinematics and boss fights are amazing, but it would probably be better to invest those resources elsewhere on other content.

You say that but the thing is most of your playerbase want this, this was one of the most upvoted suggestions despite you guys saying no, (until this recent mistake of yours).  The fact is your playerbase believes that the resources should be invested into this. This is probably  the only  content the community will accept. Simply put, a new boss, some new creatures on an existing map won't create many problems.  Aberration and Extinction broke the game to where we are now. Scorched Earth Ascension, unlike other content, i.e a new map/game mode  cannot be as harmful.  Those resources are better in this setting. 

 

Also you can tell we  want this when we still push for it after it was gone. Don't worry about getting hopes up people just want to push you guys to do it.  

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Cedric said:

Whoops, I merged this the wrong way (caused the one with the least votes to be the primary one).  My bad!

Any way to fix this or do we have to vote again?  Just curious because I can see it still as 3rd most voted and we know that it was one of the highest suggestions. 

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