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I was thinking, you know how in some areas of the maps, in order to get some herbivores or other dinos to spawn in you have to kill everything because none of the carnivores are attacking eachother, just you know chilling out and wandering around.

What if wild carnivores to see other wild carnivores as competition over food (e.g. lions and hyena, wolves and bears) and fight each other, so we dont have to keep killing everything to get dinos to spawn in. Such as a group of rexes vs a giga or a thyla vs a carno, etc. (I know yutis and wolves fight anyways)

And maybe add breeding competition, if two males are in the vicinity of one female, they'll fight for well breeding rights.

Just a thought to make ark nature a bit more like real nature.

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6 hours ago, rgaukema said:

Hello All

I was thinking, you know how in some areas of the maps, in order to get some herbivores or other dinos to spawn in you have to kill everything because none of the carnivores are attacking eachother, just you know chilling out and wandering around.

What if wild carnivores to see other wild carnivores as competition over food (e.g. lions and hyena, wolves and bears) and fight each other, so we dont have to keep killing everything to get dinos to spawn in. Such as a group of rexes vs a giga or a thyla vs a carno, etc. (I know yutis and wolves fight anyways)

And maybe add breeding competition, if two males are in the vicinity of one female, they'll fight for well breeding rights.

Just a thought to make ark nature a bit more like real nature.

I agree with this idea. There has been countless times I've flown around the map and have seen carnivores working together instead of attacking each other like they would have millions of years ago when they were still roaming our world.

But let's not just do it for carnivores, some herbivores have mating rituals as well where the males have a battle of dominance for the favor of the female.

On the note don't forget Therizinosuars are naturally territorial, so how come if one walks closer to me while I'm harvesting some Flint it gets aggro, but that Ankylosaurus can peacefully walk into it and it just stands they're like "Oh, hey Bob. Lovely weather today?" Seriously? He gets to walk all over you but I walk in a 10 foot radius of you and you act like I've got a hit out on me? Messed up since of territorial if you ask me.

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On 4/24/2019 at 12:43 PM, rgaukema said:

What if wild carnivores to see other wild carnivores as competition over food (e.g. lions and hyena, wolves and bears) and fight each other, so we dont have to keep killing everything to get dinos to spawn in. Such as a group of rexes vs a giga or a thyla vs a carno, etc. (I know yutis and wolves fight anyways)

And maybe add breeding competition, if two males are in the vicinity of one female, they'll fight for well breeding rights.

Good luck taming anything then. 

The agro system is broken in a lot of ways. Creatures tend to target the player and tames more than other wild creatures, some creatures have weird agro pools(Mammoth, Quetz, Mosa, Tuso, etc.), and wild creature fights happen way too often. 

For instance, lore-wise Baryonyx don't attack land creatures. But they act the same way a Carno does. Wild Raptors will attack tamed Carnos, Mammoths, Bears, Thylas, and Quetzals despite all of them being "higher class" creatures so to speak. Rexes, Allos, Yutys, and Spinos will attempt to attack a Titanosaur. Everything in the ocean agros the Mosa and Tuso.

The list goes on and on.

It's my belief that each creature needs a unique agro pool. Rexes agro everything except Gigas, Titanosaurs, and Titans. Gigas agro everything except Titans. Baryonyx only agro fiish and ocean creatures. I could go on all day. 

Also basing fights on a creatures level of food rather than just having a Rex rip everything apart because it can. Having herbivores be aggressive or take defensive stances when certain carnivores are around them(Trikes agroing Rexes and Stegos stancing up when Allos are nearby).

I don't think a creature should fight others of its kind, or not normally. Some loner creatures like Gigas and Therizinos could, but not Trikes or Stegos. As realistic as it would be, it would diminish the population of these creatures to much.

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Yes but maybe they don't instantly Just start Attacking Maybe A food Chain For Carnivores but they have to get close to each other. Or they have a hunger system where They could get so hungry they hunt CARNIVORES

Low Bottom: Compy , Dillo  , Kapro , Perlova , MicroRaptor , Manta , troodon , dragon fly , ant's , Cod , duck , otter Featherlight , bulbdog , pelelogones 

Low Mid: Sarcos , piranha , Sabertooth , Scorpion , Spider , Bat , Eel ,  Thorny Dragon , Snake , Ravager , Seeker , Raptor's , Dimetro , Samon , Vulture , Dimothpodon , Bat , snowy owl 

Mid: Carno: , dein's , megalodon , Argy , Bear , terrorbird , Arthro's , Megalanda , angler , Barryvox , Eurypterid , Hyena , Wolfs , Pigs ,  Megatherium(mixed) , mainis , 

Mid high: Dunkle , Velo , Mangarmer , Meglo , Giffien , Theylo , Plesso , Basilo (only one who eats jellyfish)

Low Top: Mosa , Rex , Spino , Megatherium(mixed) Yuty , Crab , Basilisk. 

Apex: Giga , Reaper , Rockdrake , Wyvern , Deathworm , Rock Golem , Nameless.

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