Official Orp needs server settings changed

[Owataday]

These servers are ruined by tribes hiding behind shadow tribes offline gates. These same tribes can set a pin for the gate and actually use it. I have been ignored by wildcard and I don't want to cheat myself. If the community could shine a light on this topic, maybe just maybe wildcard will take there thumbs out and police there own servers. Also tribes can actually set up an entire base with tek level stuff as another tribe, then log back in and use it with no fear of being attacked because the base is offline. It's actually kinda funny how this has gone on for so long. Shame on you wildcard SHAME SHAME SHAME

[Banshee5000]

If you want a decent multiplayer experience, the only way to get it is to play with your own friends on a LAN or a private server. There's nothing that can be done about public online gaming. People have been ruining it for years without consequences and worse, they bring up later generations to behave the same way. Sadly Wildcard raptors over private Ark servers so you're pretty screwed playing this game no matter what. All you can do is choose how. 

[Owataday]

I was told this problem will be mentioned to the devs. Fingers crossed people

[Woodsman]

good bye alliances

[R3dHawk]

19 hours ago, Owataday said:

I was told this problem will be mentioned to the devs. Fingers crossed people

I hope so it's a very simple fix that's been over looked for a long time. I've also been lobbying on these forums for a month or so to see a fix. Maybe our voices will finally be heared. Where did you hear that there going to be looking into it?

[Owataday]

On 19 April 2019 at 7:40 PM, Joebl0w13 said:

While I'm sure it's an unintended mechanic and obviously hasn't been addressed yet.

There is nothing in the Code of Conduct stating it's prohibited.

You come into this discussion and really are no help. All you have done is dilute the conversation and open the idea of its not stated on code of conduct. Thanks your a true champion of ARK 

[Owataday]

On 2 May 2019 at 6:57 AM, R3dHawk said:

I hope so it's a very simple fix that's been over looked for a long time. I've also been lobbying on these forums for a month or so to see a fix. Maybe our voices will finally be heared. Where did you hear that there going to be looking into it?

I got confirmation that a ticket of mine was passed onto the Dev team. GM Tobida acknowledged the issue and sent it on. Then the lines of communication went dead, I even offered to send pics and such. In truth I know they are full of hot air but I have to try and bring it to light as gaming companies really don't care what state the games are in. They do care when a community storm comes at them and then they react. Let's try at keep this conversation open as highlighting all flaws is for the better of Ark. 

[Joebl0w13]

2 hours ago, Owataday said:

You come into this discussion and really are no help. All you have done is dilute the conversation and open the idea of its not stated on code of conduct. Thanks your a true champion of ARK 

Always glad to help. You’re welcome. 

[Aylana314159]

3 hours ago, Owataday said:

You come into this discussion and really are no help. All you have done is dilute the conversation and open the idea of its not stated on code of conduct. Thanks your a true champion of ARK 

You cannot call something cheating if it isn't technically against the rules.

 

Plus rules don't help you in real-time, support takes weeks to months to get back to you.

 

The only real way is to change the game mechanics. Not introduce more rules to bog down the support staff.

[R3dHawk]

On 5/4/2019 at 6:25 AM, Aylana314159 said:

You cannot call something cheating if it isn't technically against the rules.

 

Plus rules don't help you in real-time, support takes weeks to months to get back to you.

 

The only real way is to change the game mechanics. Not introduce more rules to bog down the support staff.

Litterily the 1st line of the code of conduct states that using an exploit to gain an unfair advantage over others is prohibited.

Stop using the coc as a crutch to get people going when u don't even know what your talking about.

[R3dHawk]

On 5/4/2019 at 3:26 AM, Owataday said:

I got confirmation that a ticket of mine was passed onto the Dev team. GM Tobida acknowledged the issue and sent it on. Then the lines of communication went dead, I even offered to send pics and such. In truth I know they are full of hot air but I have to try and bring it to light as gaming companies really don't care what state the games are in. They do care when a community storm comes at them and then they react. Let's try at keep this conversation open as highlighting all flaws is for the better of Ark. 

Hopefully they actually disable pincodes then so we can have a functional orp. What platform do you play on?

[Aylana314159]

7 hours ago, R3dHawk said:

Litterily the 1st line of the code of conduct states that using an exploit to gain an unfair advantage over others is prohibited.

How is a legitimate game mechanic an exploit? This whole thread should be a suggestion for game mechanic change for ORP servers.

[R3dHawk]

11 hours ago, Aylana314159 said:

How is a legitimate game mechanic an exploit? This whole thread should be a suggestion for game mechanic change for ORP servers.

People are abusing the vanilla orp by building a base on a secondary account setting a pin code then kicking there secondary account from the tribe there for making there base accessible through pincodes with there base showing as offline making it industructble while there online raiding you there for classifying it as an exploit. There is nothing wrong with the game mechanics you have 0 clue what your talking about please move on to trolling another thread as this thread is to bring it to wild cards attention so we can see a fix. Please wild card just disable pincodes and personal ownership on orp so it can run as intended

[TheDonn]

You basically make a structure tribe and a dino tribe.  Play in the dino tribe and be allianced with the structure tribe, then you dont even need turrets.  Build inside the building with the dino tribe so you can build your own stuff, I know foundations will snap to allianced tribe foundations, not sure about ceilings.  But if you can build a 2-layer base with nothing on the ground floor/outside walls that isnt ORPed, you are even unmeshable.

So all your base structure is ORPed 24/7 with a small 15-minute raid window during resets.  You have a 100% indestructible, unraidable, and unmeshable base.  That is not intended, but as was pointed out, at the moment it is not expressly against the Code of Conduct though it does fall into a grey area that could make it an exploit.  It should be reportable and actionable, but depends on the proof you can get.  It's just more in the long list of bad sportsmanship that happens on PvP servers, gotta take any exploit to get an edge or to have zero threat!

[acat]

7 hours ago, TheDonn said:

You basically make a structure tribe and a dino tribe.  Play in the dino tribe and be allianced with the structure tribe, then you dont even need turrets.  Build inside the building with the dino tribe so you can build your own stuff, I know foundations will snap to allianced tribe foundations, not sure about ceilings.  But if you can build a 2-layer base with nothing on the ground floor/outside walls that isnt ORPed, you are even unmeshable.

So all your base structure is ORPed 24/7 with a small 15-minute raid window during resets.  You have a 100% indestructible, unraidable, and unmeshable base.  That is not intended, but as was pointed out, at the moment it is not expressly against the Code of Conduct though it does fall into a grey area that could make it an exploit.  It should be reportable and actionable, but depends on the proof you can get.  It's just more in the long list of bad sportsmanship that happens on PvP servers, gotta take any exploit to get an edge or to have zero threat!

Alliances are disabled on orp. It works via personal ownership combined woth pincodes, but then you have the indestructable yet functional base you describe. Gms have made clear this is against the rules and common sense should tell everyone the same. I dont know why anybody is arguing about that here. 

[KrakenOverlord]

I didn't even know there WERE official ORP servers, lol. Are they only on PC or something?

[acat]

17 minutes ago, KrakenOverlord said:

I didn't even know there WERE official ORP servers, lol. Are they only on PC or something?

No for playstation and xbox as well, not sure about the other platforms. 

[KrakenOverlord]

33 minutes ago, acat said:

No for playstation and xbox as well, not sure about the other platforms. 

dang, I feel behind XD I'll have to check em out

[Aylana314159]

13 hours ago, R3dHawk said:

Please wild card just disable pincodes and personal ownership on orp so it can run as intended

This belongs in the suggestion forum.

[SaltyMonkey]

38 minutes ago, Aylana314159 said:

This belongs in the suggestion forum.

It’s a simple fix that has already been implemented on small tribes. Not a suggestion, but game exploit fix.

[R3dHawk]

16 hours ago, KrakenOverlord said:

dang, I feel behind XD I'll have to check em out

It's a pretty fun game aside from the exploits. I used to be that guy on this game 10 hours a day grinding my heart away but now I'm married have a kid second on the way so only have time to play 3 or 4 hours a day and orp is that bridge that allows players like me to still play the game on official at a competitive level. Once this very easy to fix exploit is behind us I guarantee orp pays off for wildcard.

[R3dHawk]

18 hours ago, acat said:

Alliances are disabled on orp. It works via personal ownership combined woth pincodes, but then you have the indestructable yet functional base you describe. Gms have made clear this is against the rules and common sense should tell everyone the same. I dont know why anybody is arguing about that here. 

Finally someone gets it

[Drunkn87]

A tribe uses the attitude of private property and tribe possession in mix Basen. The outer hull is always offline and will be renewed in the short term. The rest in base and turrets are online. Thus, the Tribe is not to be attacked.

I Play on a ORP Cluster because I cannot be online 24/7, but by using this gray area it is impossible to stand against the Tribe. I need help from an admin.

Thank you

[HoboNation]

Exploit: to make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhanded

Whether or not this situation is specifically described and outlined in the rules is irrelevant, The fact is it is an exploit by definition, People who think that if something isnt specifically outlined or described in the rules then it must be fine, This is wrong, the reason WC have a broad ended clause pertaining to "exploits" is to cover these grey areas as to go out and describe and outline every possible exploit and work around that someone could achieve in the game is not realistic. Pretty much if something creates a situation where the intended mechanics and function of the game are being manipulated or not utilized as intended then it is an exploit.

I feel that anyone trying to argue against this point likely has a vested interest in the exploit itself and is thus trying to justify it. Bottom line is can situation x be classified as an exploit by the very definition of the word exploit? answer is yes, then cool situation x is an exploit. It really isnt Rocket science. If you seriously are expecting WC to try and brainstorm every potential exploit to the game so they can give you a detailed outline of what is classified as an exploit and what isnt, then you are living in a dreamland. Usually people with the mentality of "oh if it isnt specifically outlined in the rules to the letter of a t, then it cant be an exploit" are usually the same kinds of people who actively find and use exploits on regular basis.

[Aylana314159]

1 hour ago, HoboNation said:

Whether or not this situation is specifically described and outlined in the rules is irrelevant, 

It is relevant if WC only enforces explicitly written rules. Or when players riot, which is what this thread seems to be.

 

Rules don't really work when enforcement takes a couple months to catch up. So you know the GM's just respond that something like this isn't technically against the rules.

 

A rule isn't needed for this, just a change of settings. And once again this should be a suggestion. Get up votes on the suggestion version.

[R3dHawk]

11 hours ago, Aylana314159 said:

It is relevant if WC only enforces explicitly written rules. Or when players riot, which is what this thread seems to be.

 

Rules don't really work when enforcement takes a couple months to catch up. So you know the GM's just respond that something like this isn't technically against the rules.

 

A rule isn't needed for this, just a change of settings. And once again this should be a suggestion. Get up votes on the suggestion version.

It's been tried two problems happen. People with no knowledge and don't play orp official ruin the thread or 2 a forum moderator locks or moves it never to be seen again.