Anti trolling methods are needed

[ForzaProiettile]

4 hours ago, SaltyMonkey said:

Griefing =/= PvP I disagree with

Yep. A lot of salty folks these days seem to throw around words like griefer, troll and the ever present "toxic players" to try and explain why they lost at PVP. In PVP every action is legitimate. When people talk about "griefers" they seem to be describing a player that does a lot of damage to them with minimal losses/resource cost on their part.

That is the mark of a highly skilled combat specialist in my book, someone that is capable of extracting maximum damage using minimal resources.

[ForzaProiettile]

On ‎4‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 5:01 PM, Onimusha759 said:

Theres a difference between pvp and killing everyone u see simply because ur a D head.  Theres no reason to murder noobs or attack that new guy.  Thats just people being childish and proving just how f'ed up u r.

No there is not. Killing other players is the core gameplay of PVP. It is why the vast majority of us play PVP so that we may go out there and hunt down other players, steal their gold and slaughter their cattle and in the process achieve greater power/dominance.

I'm a KOS kind of guy myself if I see an opportunity to eliminate someone then I will take it no matter what. I don't care if they are in a mega tribe or a beach bob tribe. A week ago a guy from the Alpha tribe who's server I was raiding landed next to the base I was raiding on his Quetzal. He whipped out his spy glass and I whipped out my longneck. I don't know why but Alpha tribe members seem to love riding around naked a sense of complacency I guess? 

Needless to say it can be a very costly bad habit as this chap found out. He died and then so did his nicely bred Quetzal. Now does that make a D head? No of course not I'm just a PVP player engaging in PVP. It's fair and legitimate gameplay.

[ForzaProiettile]

15 hours ago, SaltyMonkey said:

Why do people who are upset about “greivers” even play PvP?

I have always wondered this myself and have come to the conclusion that those that whinge about such things aren't true PVP players. These are really just PVE players that are a bit bored with the game or rather their current mode and are seeking some more 'adventure' on a PVP server without realising that PVP doesn't have rules to make everyone play nice. So they join a PVP server but resort to the PVE methods of gameplay they are used to and then logically get erased. They then pop up on the forum and complain about the mythical "griefers" ruining their fun.

[MackTheKnife]

2 hours ago, ForzaProiettile said:

Needless to say it can be a very costly bad habit as this chap found out. He died and then so did his nicely bred Quetzal. Now does that make a D head? No of course not I'm just a PVP player engaging in PVP. It's fair and legitimate gameplay.

Yes, that does make you a D head in the sense of senseless killing, if some pleb nub on a pteranodon killed my perfect bred quetzal i’d probably leave for another 3 months. I never die anyways. Full body asc flak bps + Lvl 99 alt with all crafting points = unkillable

MAYBE if the devs made taming and breeding a lot shorter, i would be 90% less angry at people killing my tames. 4 days for a wyvern. 10 DAYS to raise a giga. Remove the extreme attachment and things would be so much more fun.

I call overly-pvp types “griefers” because they aren’t just fighting, they are intentionally causing grief because they KNOW so much effort is put into it. They don’t just want to fight for the sake of pvp, they enjoy being Dheads because it gets them wet just thinking about the pain they’ll cause. 

You strike me as more of a ruthless person rather than a POS griefer, you are just as effective though. I think your methods are just a little too paranoid and radical. Instead of the “i need to keep them down so they won’t wipe me” attitude, just be friends and allies with people. Not everyone has an evil agenda waiting to screw you over

I have been raided a lot of times and love to pvp as long as i have backup people to help me. But i absolutely CANNOT STAND being cheesed by metas such as Manags

[ForzaProiettile]

45 minutes ago, MackTheKnife said:

Yes, that does make you a D head in the sense of senseless killing, if some pleb nub on a pteranodon killed my perfect bred quetzal i’d probably leave for another 3 months. I never die anyways. Full body asc flak bps + Lvl 99 alt with all crafting points = unkillable

MAYBE if the devs made taming and breeding a lot shorter, i would be 90% less angry at people killing my tames. 4 days for a wyvern. 10 DAYS to raise a giga. Remove the extreme attachment and things would be so much more fun.

I call overly-pvp types “griefers” because they aren’t just fighting, they are intentionally causing grief because they KNOW so much effort is put into it. They don’t just want to fight for the sake of pvp, they enjoy being Dheads because it gets them wet just thinking about the pain they’ll cause. 

You strike me as more of a ruthless person rather than a POS griefer, you are just as effective though. I think your methods are just a little too paranoid and radical. Instead of the “i need to keep them down so they won’t wipe me” attitude, just be friends and allies with people. Not everyone has an evil agenda waiting to screw you over

I have been raided a lot of times and love to pvp as long as i have backup people to help me. But i absolutely CANNOT STAND being cheesed by metas such as Manags

Look I am not going to pretend I'm a nice guy. I'm not. I enjoy killing other players and ruining their hard work while using fairly minimal equipment and instead relying on sound strategy and teamwork to succeed. We operate mostly on foot and there is only a handful of us but there is something uniquely satisfying about fighting other players who mostly outnumber you with their expensive tames, luring a couple of them off into a trap, beating and killing them and then watching as the whole server goes on lockdown and tries to find you.

Nothing is more thrilling then having 15+ players chasing your small band around the map on Gigas, Quetzals, Wyvers, Pteradons and so forth as you disappear into the jungle then reappear at a different base only to strike again. It is the best fun you can have in this game by far. Just the other day we had a decoy of two of our guys sniping people at a large tribes main base from some nearby trees. While this enemy tribe was busy there trying to find them me and our water crew broke into their water pen and bloodied their Mosas. Then when they were all on low health we killed them all at once and departed. A Quetzal and a few Pteradons rocked up a minute or so later but by then we were already out of there.

Now is that senseless killing? Of Course not these are combat creatures that would be used against us if given the chance. The same is true for the Quetzal I killed. These creatures are either war creatures of they are farming tools. Either way they are assets that benefit the enemy and make them stronger so its logical to kill them.

We are PVP players. We might be extremely hostile compared to the average Joe that mostly base builds but we are still PVP players at the end of the day. We kill everything we can, if we can't win then we disappear and reappear when its to our advantage. Its playing smart, playing to your strengths and not overplaying your hand.

So no it doesn't make me D Head or a griefer or a toxic player or whatever other silly phrase people want to use. We are just PVP players and in all honesty if you have a problem with PVP players which you seem to have then you definitely don't belong on a PVP server.

[hud]

I remember good old days in dayz. " I m friendly"  Well raptor u mate  today is Saturday. ?

People forgetting meaning of pvp. 

[Vaculity]

I just realized that this thread has derailed, from a troll jailing anyone they find, a.k.a "senseless jailing" to the term "senseless killing" for PvP.

[DeHammer]

9 hours ago, SaltyMonkey said:

Griefing =/= PvP I disagree with

Lots of people play PvP without griefing. If you understand =/= then you clearly have some background in math or computer science. Then you should also understand this point... One is a subset of the other, so no, they aren't the same by simple virtue of that fact.  

[DeHammer]

I agree though... the people talking about moral values in PvP need to leave that at the door. PvP by its very nature makes other players a threat and very likely hostile enemies. You shouldn't go into PvP expecting anything but that. 

[MackTheKnife]

1 hour ago, ForzaProiettile said:

Look I am not going to pretend I'm a nice guy. I'm not. I enjoy killing other players and ruining their hard work while using fairly minimal equipment and instead relying on sound strategy and teamwork to succeed. We operate mostly on foot and there is only a handful of us but there is something uniquely satisfying about fighting other players who mostly outnumber you with their expensive tames, luring a couple of them off into a trap, beating and killing them and then watching as the whole server goes on lockdown and tries to find you.

Nothing is more thrilling then having 15+ players chasing your small band around the map on Gigas, Quetzals, Wyvers, Pteradons and so forth as you disappear into the jungle then reappear at a different base only to strike again. It is the best fun you can have in this game by far. Just the other day we had a decoy of two of our guys sniping people at a large tribes main base from some nearby trees. While this enemy tribe was busy there trying to find them me and our water crew broke into their water pen and bloodied their Mosas. Then when they were all on low health we killed them all at once and departed. A Quetzal and a few Pteradons rocked up a minute or so later but by then we were already out of there.

Now is that senseless killing? Of Course not these are combat creatures that would be used against us if given the chance. The same is true for the Quetzal I killed. These creatures are either war creatures of they are farming tools. Either way they are assets that benefit the enemy and make them stronger so its logical to kill them.

We are PVP players. We might be extremely hostile compared to the average Joe that mostly base builds but we are still PVP players at the end of the day. We kill everything we can, if we can't win then we disappear and reappear when its to our advantage. Its playing smart, playing to your strengths and not overplaying your hand.

So no it doesn't make me D Head or a griefer or a toxic player or whatever other silly phrase people want to use. We are just PVP players and in all honesty if you have a problem with PVP players which you seem to have then you definitely don't belong on a PVP server.

I most definitely do not belong in a pvP server, but it's the only choice I have. I don't want to play single player because it's incredibly boring, plus I would just cheat code my way up. PvE was horrible. It was so bad that you cannot tame anything in the server, at least not more than 2 or 3 dinos. 

I never played anything but official pvp and I'm used to the behavior by now, but sweet mother of Jesus that gets OLD after a while. I've been playing this game for 3 years and I get wiped all the time, never once have I found anything sustainable. I'm just thinking of saying fk it and messing with people. I will admit, I went on a beach bob killing spree last night and that was incredibly fun. They hide in their wood base and your wyverns poison kills all 5 of them instantly lolololol

Maybe it's because I never got to ever build up, anywhere. I probably should have learned the ropes in SP or PvE but that's far too late, I guess I am not a tribe person at all because I despise megas and all that crap. I'm in a cave purely breeding wyverns and manags now because I can't trust anyone. I'm tired of being Mr. Nice Guy

[ThePryBar]

18 hours ago, Onimusha759 said:

Then ur just making bs up now.  How is using both of those at all even remotely childish?  If they arnt redundant then its completely logical to use both.  Lik a 13 year old ur just randomly making crap up to try and manipulate the situation into ur favor.  I assumed u wer mocking me because u felt they wer the same, its really the only excuse u could of tried to use to make what u said work.  The only words i dont write in full r ones that r rather straight forward.  Its by no means gibberish.  Gibberish is writing or saying random combinations of words or things that flat out arnt words.  Just because i pull out letters that hav no use in a word doesnt make it gibberish.  If it was gibberish u wouldnt b understanding me and replying.

See ur doing it right there.  Im not implying just because ppl disagree with me that they r twisting my words.  U take what i say out of context.  Mayb im misunderstanding u right now but uv done it to me and a few others iv seen, including dehammer.  Its lik u see 1 word and focus solely on it and disregard the rest of the statement or u just focus on part of a statement and try to go with that and u completely throw the whole thing off.  U say things without taking time to actually understand whats being said.  Im not gonna say this necessarily against u but it does show poor reading/understanding skills, possibly a lack of brain power or focus.  As i said dont take offense to that because im not saying ur dumb.  It does make it hard to take peoples opinions seriously tho when they cant seem to read the whole thing as 1 statement and it makes trying to hav a discussion pointless because they seem to ignorant or lack enough of something to hav an intelligent discussion.  Heck mayb thats ur alls ploy, to make every1 not continue debating by making it seem so illogical to even try XD

So to start I did not read your long rant, I would have if you used whole words. I am not going to re read your post 8 times to understand your point, I think that you purposely do that to leave your opinions vague. 

 

I said childish because when I play competitive games with my nephews who are 11 and 13 and I win they say that I'm a Bully and a D head. 

 

And back to the topic, by coddling new players you are in fact making the game harder for them because they don't learn valuable lessons. This game has a learning curve to it, progression if you will, that forces you to learn from your mistakes cause if you don't you will keep repeating the same faults time after time. In small tribes the game rules are not to help other players, no informal alliances, just balls to the walls pvp. So if I'm destroying everything on sight and your helping everyone on small tribes then you are the person who is not following the games etiquette. 

 

Am I a despicable player? Yes. 

Am I an Ahole? Totally.

But that's what the developers want in a pvp ark gamer.

[ThePryBar]

1 hour ago, DeHammer said:

Lots of people play PvP without griefing. If you understand =/= then you clearly have some background in math or computer science. Then you should also understand this point... One is a subset of the other, so no, they aren't the same by simple virtue of that fact.  

So you seem to think you know it all. Tell all of the fine pvp playing people what the term griefing means? I'm kinda confused please explain?

[TheDonn]

6 hours ago, ForzaProiettile said:

No there is not. Killing other players is the core gameplay of PVP. It is why the vast majority of us play PVP so that we may go out there and hunt down other players, steal their gold and slaughter their cattle and in the process achieve greater power/dominance.

If it works for you and doesn't get you cleaned out by an angry Alpha, go for it.  The ceiling of power and dominance is already pretty damn low on many official servers:  A few good mutton-tames are really all it takes to run around CoD'ing it up, and before long you won't be gaining anything positive from the low level people and tribes you are killing, just the kills and demos.  I get that it is fun for you, but past a certain point it is just...  Unnecessary and gratuitous noob-slaying.  I know, I know, it's PvP and that is how you have fun and it is a legal way of playing because it is, in fact, PvP.  But for my 3 weeks on that SmallTribes server, the "Alpha" (which is to say, the guys with capped-saddle Managarmrs) was spamming chat telling people to leave the server and play elsewhere, while actively cleansing any small bases they found on server.  To make matters weirder, the Mana rider was having conversations in global with these people beforehand, to troll them a little bit before killing and wiping them.

Manarider - "Hey."

IndyForgeGuy - "Heyo!  Thats a nice tame."

M - "Thx boi"

I - "I only have these 3"

M - "ye i c that LOL"

I - "I only just managed to get my grill up"

M - "nice lil base."

I - "Thanks!"

M - "u should leave"

I - "huh? like leave the server?"

M - "ye"

I - "why?"

M - "its my server"

I - "I cant play here?  can you just let me build here and keep a few tames?"

M - ". . . . . . ."

I - "Dude..."

M - "lmao son"

I - "its a parasaur.  do you really have to?"

M - ". . . . . . ."

I - "it took so long to get metal by hand for that grill"

M - "lol 2 bad.  u should leave."

I - "come on man...  i can like, bring you metal"

M - "i dont want that, i want u 2 leave my server"

I - "dude... why?  wouldnt it be more fun to have actual competition?"

M - "because my server, more fun 4 u 2 leave lol."

Every other day in global, this conversation happened.  I get you are a KOS guy, especially so to people who present a threat.  But what threat does the described obviously subservient person represent?  This manner of hyper-threat-sensitive gameplay where everyone and anyone is a 100% full threat is why I say CoD'ing it up, because that's what you do in CoD:  Just mindlessly kill whatever moves.  But it's not CoD, it's ARK.  The threat-difference in a naked level 15 guy with a stone hatchet/thatch 1x1, and someone with an actual base and mid-level tames, and someone with stocked heavys/tek turrets, manas, gigas, and their ilk is HUGE.  It wasn't always this way, but nowadays the game is played as if all 3 of those are equally as threatening to everyone.  That's not how real warfare and combat goes.  If it was the latter, every single country would be at war with some other country, even the peaceful Canadians.  But the former is the true situation, if "threat" is something you give any measure of thought to and why it is so easy for people to label things as griefing or trolling.  If you don't think about threat and just killkillkillkillkillkill, then it's essentially a Call of Duty game.  Fun for those established and whatnot, but impossible for anyone else.

BUT!  That's official PvP as a starter right now, if you can't play 24/7 with stocked autoturrets and plant-x already grown.  It is what it is!  I know I won't change your mind, or really anyone's, just reporting my experience as a non-veteran who tried to get back into PvP.

[DeHammer]

24 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

So you seem to think you know it all. Tell all of the fine pvp playing people what the term griefing means? I'm kinda confused please explain?

Haven't you been reading the thread? Oh yea, you don't bothering reading... you only like to post nonsense in response. 

[ThePryBar]

1 hour ago, DeHammer said:

Haven't you been reading the thread? Oh yea, you don't bothering reading... you only like to post nonsense in response. 

Well no you are the one posting nonsense. You have been defending the whinny peeps only to bail last minute and agree with the people that are the real pvpers.

lol

[Guest BubbaCrawfish]

19 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

Well no you are the one posting nonsense. You have been defending the whinny peeps only to bail last minute and agree with the people that are the real pvpers.

lol

=\= = Does not equal... Greifing doesn't equal PvP...

Stop trying to 'troll'/bait and derail the thread...

 

@DeHammer Ignore this guy and don't feed the troll.

 

 

This entire thread is indicative of the real issue... So "Toxic" and defensive over terrible players, and crappy actions, that there's so much vitriol and attacks in here that it's just beyond it...

It's not PvP if it's going on for days, and for no actual reason...

The whole point is that these players that do this, to random players, without any interaction, or anything, are simple being assholes and are too scared to even be playing with other people.

 

It's almost as if they would prefer to be playing on empty, passworded servers because they lack the consideration, the capacity to interact with people, or to even gauge anyone, where they feel the need to protect themselves from everyone.

[Kaprosuchus]

10 hours ago, ForzaProiettile said:

Yep. A lot of salty folks these days seem to throw around words like griefer, troll and the ever present "toxic players" to try and explain why they lost at PVP. In PVP every action is legitimate. When people talk about "griefers" they seem to be describing a player that does a lot of damage to them with minimal losses/resource cost on their part.

That is the mark of a highly skilled combat specialist in my book, someone that is capable of extracting maximum damage using minimal resources.

yeah i think that makes me a griefer too   I will admit i don't play pvp alot but when i do i play with an ultra aggressive style and i tend not to build alot. i do crap like shoot people who are looking in their inventory, shoot unconscious tames, drain turrets just to drain them, and of course knock people out and drag them around with me while i go about my day.  is it mean? probably. i mean why else play pvp if not to murder other people.

in case there was confusion i am supporting your opinion

[Onimusha759]

2 hours ago, DeHammer said:

Haven't you been reading the thread? Oh yea, you don't bothering reading... you only like to post nonsense in response. 

@BubbaCrawfish is right, i haven't even bothered reading his posts anymore simply because his mindset is completely shot.  Its hopeless to try and discuss anything with him and he just makes crap up to derail.  Just ignore him and salt, they clam they hate salty people yet their personalities and actions are the definition of saltiness.  Its astounding that they can say this stuff and yet be so blind, but its best to really just ignore them.  Now this is the last thing im going to post about this, i was feeling this was way off topic yesterday and the mod has requested we get back on topic.

[Guest BubbaCrawfish]

Where the OP was talking of being taken hostage and being held the idea that someone will hold you without cause or reason, for DAYS on end, just to exert 'dominance' is quite different from actually killing them and their base/tames. I really don't think anyone has a problem with that, because they can fight back... In this scenario, you cannot.

 

The general response of 'Go back to PvE' is another throw-out that really, is an indication of the elitist nature of these people.

If they think that they are outplaying someone by making them unable to play the game by keeping them knocked out, in a box, is really silly. Like, whooooooo, you keep a guy locked in your basement because you're scared that they'll come back and screw you over...

If they're part of a bigger tribe, you know that you're inviting that tribe to come wipe your tribe... Yet I'd guess that most of these guys, know these guys aren't part of a bigger tribe, and just enjoy crapping on new players, just to again, 'exert dominance'.

[TheDonn]

6 hours ago, Vaculity said:

I just realized that this thread has derailed, from a troll jailing anyone they find, a.k.a "senseless jailing" to the term "senseless killing" for PvP.

It has people taking a more generalized look at griefing and trolling, really Vac.  The OP was about one specific incident that made him/her think that the framework of PvP could be changed for the better (whether you agree or not), and from that a discussion about what "trolling" and "griefing" look like to different ARK players.  Some see PvP and griefing as one-in-the-same because how the hell are you gonna NOT cause "grief" to someone if you are killing their tames every day, also because they spend all day trying to create PvP conflict because that is what is fun for them.  Some people see the concepts as separate because it is not REQUIRED to just fightfightfightfight in PvP and those people would rather just play with the benefits of a PvP server (dino-picking chiefly) and just mind their own business. 

Unfortunately there is no overlap between the stances:  If some people want to fightfightfightfight and some people want to just build and have an option to PvP, then everyone just fights.  It's a much stronger option, and some people view unnecessary and gratuitous noob-slaying as griefing/trolling, much the same as cuffing/jailing everyone you see.  The subjectivity of what people find griefing/trolling is one of unending discourse, because not everyone sees it the same (RE: the above two groups).

If you are looking at the most technically "RIGHT" answer, it is that on a server where you can openly attack and/or jail people, nothing is off limits because it is possible and not against anything in the Code of Conduct.

[jamescoolcrafter15]

I somewhat agree with this thread, although I only think trolling should be a bit less, not completely erased. I hate when I'm new to a server and people with wyverns are at viking bay turning the area to a hell scape. I also hate when people just cage others for no reason, I cycle through servers all of the time. I join them, leave most of the time until I find a perfectly boosted server. Not too high and not low. So one of the servers I cycled through, which I didn't stay on, I got caged. These guys invited me to a party (console chat groups are called partys) and told me "welcome to your new home". They demanded I give them 200 metal ingots, but I was caged so how da heck would I give them that.  People can be rude sometimes. The second I joined, his friend accidentally killed me and then the leader kicked me from the party. I don't think jailing should be removed though.

I will jail people sometimes, not for trolling but for legit reasons. If they are enemys, we find out answers from them or put them on sentences if they attack us. I've actually got some tribe mates from jailing. I thought this guy was trying to hit us, well, he did, he knocked out my friend, we caged him, got on the mic and he was actually pretty chill. He was with his friend and they both joined our tribe now, still play with him.

[Guest BubbaCrawfish]

The only people who threw out the 'killing' scenario are those who are wanting to derail the thread so that nothing can be done...

The thread is definitely only about the random jailing of people and holding them indefinitely.

There is no issue with taking a person who is aggressive or an enemy... It's about those who go out of their way to take those who are uncon and not even started out on a server, with no interaction, and throwing them in a box, pumping them full of narcotics, without reason, or demand on the person, to allow them to be free.

[ThePryBar]

If a bob gets me sick or is sick they die, if a bob is unwilling to cure themselves "which isn't hard" jail them and keep them jailed. Then they will rage quit, log for a week, come back to still being jailed then create a new character and move on to a new server to pointlessly continue to get the higher level players sick.

 

 This is probably one of those scenarios. That being said it's also not hard to reach level 70 in a few hours on a 2xp weekend. 

 

@DeHammer lol

 

@Onimusha759 Look I can use big boy words. Can you try to use big boy words too, spell check can be troublesome for those who don't spell well so ask an parent or guardian next time. ?

[Onimusha759]

53 minutes ago, BubbaCrawfish said:

The only people who threw out the 'killing' scenario are those who are wanting to derail the thread so that nothing can be done...

The thread is definitely only about the random jailing of people and holding them indefinitely.

There is no issue with taking a person who is aggressive or an enemy... It's about those who go out of their way to take those who are uncon and not even started out on a server, with no interaction, and throwing them in a box, pumping them full of narcotics, without reason, or demand on the person, to allow them to be free.

Just to be clear, i was never saying you cant kill, just as you said, there should be a god reason for it.

 

24 minutes ago, ThePryBar said:

If a bob gets me sick or is sick they die, if a bob is unwilling to cure themselves "which isn't hard" jail them and keep them jailed. Then they will rage quit, log for a week, come back to still being jailed then create a new character and move on to a new server to pointlessly continue to get the higher level players sick.

 

 This is probably one of those scenarios. That being said it's also not hard to reach level 70 in a few hours on a 2xp weekend. 

 

@DeHammer lol

 

@Onimusha759 Look I can use big boy words. Can you try to use big boy words too, spell check can be troublesome for those who don't spell well so ask an parent or guardian next time. ?

Now if the noob is a problem or purposely causing problems then yes i could see you caging or even killing em if necessary.  My point against you was your extreme kill kill kill attitude like a raging child over 1 post you weren't even involved in.  Now at your request ive started fully typing out words for your feeble little mind to understand, plus ive used far bigger/complex words then you in most of my posts...So i dont know why your saying this at all lol.  As far as i know i haven't misspelled anything either unless a typo happened.  The only one here still looking for a fight and acting like a child now is you.  Purposely trying to derail and continue a fight, you went from 13 to 10, good job.

I want to point out to everyone just because you can do something and theres no rules against it doesnt make it right.  I can go to Bangkok and buy 20 women and children and make them all my sex slaves and it be completely legal.  We all know know though that that is 100% wrong hopefully.  This should apply here as well.  I know pvp has killing and to expect it, extremes are never good though especially with human interaction.  These basic principals were taught to us in elementary school.  Its a pity that some just never graduated mentally from it.

As for you prybar, i bore of you and your antics.  This has gone on long enough, its clear you lack reasoning and theres no further reason to communicate with you when your purposely trying to chide people like a child or someone who has nothing valuable left to bring to the conversation.  Dont quote or talk to me anymore, theres zero point in it.  Lets go our own ways and leave it there.  If you are incapable of that then you really have proven everything ive said here.

[SaltyMonkey]

8 hours ago, BubbaCrawfish said:

=\= = Does not equal... Greifing doesn't equal PvP...

Stop trying to 'troll'/bait and derail the thread...

 

@DeHammer Ignore this guy and don't feed the troll.

 

 

This entire thread is indicative of the real issue... So "Toxic" and defensive over terrible players, and crappy actions, that there's so much vitriol and attacks in here that it's just beyond it...

It's not PvP if it's going on for days, and for no actual reason...

The whole point is that these players that do this, to random players, without any interaction, or anything, are simple being assholes and are too scared to even be playing with other people.

 

It's almost as if they would prefer to be playing on empty, passworded servers because they lack the consideration, the capacity to interact with people, or to even gauge anyone, where they feel the need to protect themselves from everyone.

Exactly. Griefing doesn’t equal PvP I don’t like because griefing doesn’t exist in PvP.

I love how you and every other carebare calls everyone you disagree with a troll. I’d hate to think how you debate in the real world.