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Hi Guys

I've done a lot of reading on breeding and watching youtube and have bred my fair share of dinos, so why not try to make a guide from what I've learned and applied... (note some of the information may be incorrect so any rectifications are welcome as Wardrum loves to let us figure stuff out for ourselves)

 

Whats Max Wild levels your find on official serves?

  • Easy - Level 30
  • Medium - Level 150
  • Hard - Level 300
  • Exceptions are inside Ice & Swomp Caves where higher level dinos spawn

 

So how does stats work on wild dinos?

  • Simple it's all random... random... random... all dinos have fixed Level 1 Stats,  so when a wild dino spawns it is randomly given a level... lets say level 15, Ark will randomly apply 15 level ups to be added randomly any of the dinos level 1 stats either Health, Stamina, Oxygen, Food, Weight, Melee Damage & Speed (Note: Speed, when wild dino gets tamed, will revert to 100% and any random level ups will be lost levels)...  So knowing this and you want to become a breeder know that STATS is Everything! and your Wild Breeders (Generation 0) dinos are key.
  • So, knowing that stats are randomly allocated you want to trank & tame dinos as close to the Server Max Level you can find to gain the spawn level ups (The Golden Taming Rule is "IF ITS LOW ITS NO") and when wild dino tamed you also gain more random taming level-ups depending on the efficiency you tame it at. e.g: I find a level 30 Argie, Perfect Trank it then Perfect Tame it Argie will wake up tamed and Level 44 with all 44 level-up randomly allocated.  Now you can check its stats and really see how good it is and how many stats lost to Speed, Food & Oxygen.

 

What is perfectly Trank & Tame?

  • Perfect Trank is when tranked dino takes No further damage after it becomes unconscious, either from you firing another trank dart or arrow, you accidentally punching it or a wild dino taking a bite.  Every time an unconscious dino take damage its taming efficiency will decrease thus you will start losing taming level.
  • Perfect Taming is when you tame perfect tranked dino with best possible efficiency losing no taming levels, this is only achievable by using the correct kibble/super kibble and usually soothing balm to speed up tame time (e.g. Argies prefer Stego Kibble). So if you feed a Tranked Argie one of its lesser preferred food its taming efficiency will be affected and it will tame to a lower level.  Ark has made the game that if a tamed wild has lost levels due to taming efficiency its babies will regain those levels (randomly) and only for Generation 1
  • Avoid losing taming efficiency as it will just add another few rounds of breeding that can cost your days, weeks or even months

 

Breeding Base Stats & Generation 1

  • Breeding Base Stats is the Stats a Wild Dino (Generation 0) has after Perfect Taming (before any leveling up by you or a Baby Dino has at birth (before imprinting by you ) this is the raw stats your breeding to improve and is the only stats important when breeding.
  • So you now have your Generation 0 (Wild Tame) Male and Female (Both Lvl 44) and each have their own random stats, so now its time to breed them to get the all best stats from both parents onto one baby e.g Male HP 600 and Female HP 720 baby has a 55% chance to be born with a higher stat from Female (same goes for everything except speed which will always be 100% at birth)
  • So, oh let's say, after 4 attempts of breeding your generation 0 male and female a baby female is born with the best stats from both parents and it is born level 52 (not level 44 like parents)... this is because levels of dino are determined by Level 1 Base Stats plus the random level-ups... you have now just combined the highest random level-ups from both parents into 1 baby so its level will be higher than parent and this is your First Generation 1 key breeder and the backbone of your breeding program.
  • Next step is to get a perfect pair Generation 1 breeder so you now use the born female (daughter) and breed it with your generation 0 male (father)... they will have some stats exactly the same but you're now looking to breed a male with exact same stats as Generation 1 Female (daughter), why so you can start breeding for those crucial mutations you will need to breed your super dino.
  • Good breeders kill babies, sad but true, don't keep babies you don't want to use, sell or kill them off you have limited dino slots and breeding can use up a lot fast

 

Mutations

  • Let's talk mutations now before we get to Generation 2 Breeding as it is possible that a mutation can occur while you breeding your Generation 0 Wild tames or your Generation 1 and Generation 0 parent to create your same stat perfect pair.
  • Every egg hatched from Generation 0 wild tames has a very slim chance for a baby to have a mutation and can be hard to spot, every mutation has 2 parts a color mutation and stat mutation, but one of these mutations can be dormant in the baby and only pop in a future generation.  So, a baby born with a color that parent doesn't have, but stats the same or one stat higher than either parent but the color of baby same as parents become a tricky thing to spot before you have your perfect breeding pair and this is where those Breeding Base Stats you are keeping a record of comes into play, compare both parents stats with babies stats and compare the baby color with parents color.

 

Generation 2 (Perfect pair breeding)

  • Ok so you have now bred your Generation 0 (father) with your Generation1 (Daughter) and a baby is born with exact same stats and level as Generation 1 (Female) now you have a perfect breeding pair, why because their babies will be born with exact same stats and level as the Generation 1 (Daughter) and Generation 1 (Son), because they are identical.
  • Thus breeding them will give you either more identical stat female to breed with the male to increase your chances of mutation, now you keep breeding them and wait for a mutation to occur.
  • You will immediately see that baby has mutation as it will be born 1 or 2 levels higher than parents (1 level for stat mutation & 1 level for color mutation, if neither stat dormant), now you compare baby stats with parents and if the mutation is a stat or color you want to keep it to become a generation 3 breeder but still continue breeding the generation 2 perfect pair for more or different stat or color mutation.

 

Generation 3 (Specific Stat/Color breeding)

  • Ok so lets say baby born from Generation 2 parents has a cool colour mutation and the weight mutation your were looking for now its time to start breeding it to get another mutation, so breed Generation 3 with mutation and one from Generation 2 (zero mutation) untill you get another mutation and from this point you ALWAYS use a Generation 2 opposite gender zero mutation to breed with the mutated one.
  • Why here Ark mobile breeding become vague because on other other formats (PC, Xbox, etc.) breeding history and mutation stats are available and a 20/20 mutation rule apllies, which in all likelyhood applies to mobile also.  It is that if both parent have 20 out of 20 mutations (which were unable to see on mobile) no further mutations possible. so be using a Generation 2 zero mutation as one parent the other can go to well over 20/20 mutations (174/20 possable) and becase one parent mutation free mutations will continue occur.
  • Generation 3 breeding is where you split breeding do a breeding line HP another Weight etc. and once you want to combine them you Breed those mutated ones with each other and you will have your Generation 4 super good or super dino.

 

Backbreeding

  • Backbreeding is used when you want to remove wasted stats from your breeding line and only is used when breeding lines get close to the max dino level (Bred Dino Level  379 + 71 Level ups = Lvl 450 and dino will despawn).  So to clear unwanted or wasted stats breed you high level super dino with a level 1 wild tame untill a baby is born with the specific stats you want to keep as a lvl 1 wild tame has no waisted stats... Very few breeders ever take breeding to that level and those that do know a lot more about the subject than me.

 

General Does and Dont's

  • Keep records of Breeders Stats.
  • Dont kill off Generation 0, 1 & 2 Breeders they can be used to breed different mutation Line or fix a line if you pass 20/20 mutation.
  • Hatch in bulk.
  • Alway be on the lookout for new blood either from wild tames or another tribe on server.
  • dont level or imprint your breeders (false basic stats will just make your own life difficuilt

 

Finally

  • I truley hope this answeres a few quetions out there and give some of you a better understanding about breeding and if your wondering the process to breeding a crazy good or even super dino take a lot longer than days or weeks it will take months and even years on official servers that dont have breeding multipliers.  

 

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Great guide.  I wish I read this months ago.  A couple of questions.  1.  Have you ever seen a dino despawn in Ark Mobile because it's level was above 450?  If so, what did it look like?  2.  I have tried some of the stat calculators that are used for other platforms of ARK, but they do not seem to correlate well.  Do you have one that you use?  Thanks. 

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Well, thanks that you like the guide...

Personally no never seen any dino that high a level but I only play mobile other platforms on brutal level or custom servers might have dinos spawning at those levels or higher ... also with hard level on mobile that 450 cap has probably been increased as max wild levels is level 300 and a level 300 wild will perfect tame to level 435 before you level it up 71 times... but they will look like the normal dinos just crazy stats

I've not seen a stat calculator specifically for mobile Dododex and SA Companion are the 2 I know and are relatively accurate and will give a good indication that you're on the right track

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I am trying to breed super sabers and equip them with ascendant saddles for cave runs on a hard server.  So far my results have been really good, but I am always trying to improve.  The highest level baby saber that I have gotten has been 442, and that was with the best stats from a wild-tamed breeding pool of about 10 high level sabers.  I started breeding and then started researching about mutations, but I think I have only gotten 1 useful mutation through the whole process.  Does the breeding mechanics count the mutations as levels, or are they considered bonus levels that are not counted towards the lvl 450 cap?  Also, I think I have noticed that Torpor behaves differently.  Like it is averaged between the parents and adjusted based on tame level.  Thanks again.  I will try some of the programs again to see if I can get them more accurate.

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Today’s daily pursuit was breed parasaurs. Both of my parent parasaurs are wild, Gen 0. I got a mutation without even trying to. Without using your guide and without using pheromones. Mutations are random. It’s nice that you took the time to compile a guide for breeding, but it really is just a game of chance.

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Thanks for the positive feedback, however, there might be parts of the guide that is inaccurate...

 

Wardrum does challenge us to figure stuff out for ourselves and this guide is what I've pieced together from personal experience after reading posts and watching everything half useful for all platforms on youtube, but doing the Breeding Generations will eventually give you great results if you're a committed breeder.  Casual breeders will start mixing mutations lines sooner than later then stop, committed breeders will keep feeding tribe better and better dinos spayed or neutered to use while they improve them all the time and guard their breeding stock like fanatics...

 

Good tribes love to have a committed breeder as a member, but hate the loss of dino slots...lol

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Very good post and based on everything I've found and experienced it seems accurate. Thanks for taking the time lay it all out like that for folks.

I just really wish they would at least give us a mutation counter on mobile. I dont need the family tree, just to know where I am at on the 20/20.

My mammoth line randomly mutated while trying to set up gen 1 on a male and now it's going to be a pain to keep correctly. But I love the blue color so not wasting it.

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Not really a pain just keep breeding parents and put that mute one side for now and breed back into the bloodline in Generation 3 might take a few more rounds to get the perfect stats back..remember you keep breeding Generation 0 till you get your Generation 1 pair... the problem with generation 0 producing a mutation is identifying the mutation...

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Hi, I want to ask a question.

What level of dinos should I tame in the wild? I know that in your post that one should tame dinos with lvls closest to the server cap, but my concern is after taming dinos will reach the server tame lvl cap.

I understand that higher level dinos have higher base stats, but what's bothering me is the fact that babies born at the server tame lvl cap will be weaker due to them not being able to improve in stats afterwards

This is especially prevalent in stats like movement speed, where a dino's speed remains constant even after mutating said stat

In conclusion, my concern is about what lvl dinos to tame. Should I go for the server lvl cap or a little bit under, say,  Lvl 280 on hard difficulty?

 

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23 hours ago, TOLMO said:

In conclusion, my concern is about what lvl dinos to tame. Should I go for the server lvl cap or a little bit under, say,  Lvl 280 on hard difficulty?

Max wild on Hard is 300

Tame cap is 500 on Hard

You have 200 levels to play with, plenty.

Breeding down is a whole different thread

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That is incorrect

On official(or at least on my server), the tame lvl cap is on 450

Accounting for 99.8% taming effectiveness on a lvl 300 tame, the max one can get is 149 lvl boost, leaving essentially no levels to alter the stats.

The above is the scenario when a player uses soothing balm + preferred kibble.

 

 

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On 3/23/2019 at 7:38 PM, TOLMO said:

Hi, I want to ask a question.

What level of dinos should I tame in the wild? I know that in your post that one should tame dinos with lvls closest to the server cap, but my concern is after taming dinos will reach the server tame lvl cap.

I understand that higher level dinos have higher base stats, but what's bothering me is the fact that babies born at the server tame lvl cap will be weaker due to them not being able to improve in stats afterwards

This is especially prevalent in stats like movement speed, where a dino's speed remains constant even after mutating said stat

In conclusion, my concern is about what lvl dinos to tame. Should I go for the server lvl cap or a little bit under, say,  Lvl 280 on hard difficulty?

 

I have been continuing to breed sabers and learning.  For your breeding stock and to get the best stats, tame level 300 dinos if possible.  For most dinos, you want to maximize health and damage, but there are other stats you may want high also.  So keep and breed those until you have a dino with all the max stats.  You need to convert the just tamed dinos stats into levels.  I use Dododex for this.  It is good to use levels to build your "ideal" dino.  Use a pool of 380 levels and place them in the dinos stats like you would if you could just program the dino into ARK.  Post hatch/tame levels increase more than pre hatch/tame levels for most dinos, that is why you use 380 levels.  380 + 70 max post tame levels = 450 max total level.  Some of the stats you will want low and the only way you can work these in to your breeding stock is to tame lower level dinos to breed with your max level breeding stock.  My experience is that the lower level dino has to at least be 1/2 the level of your higher level breeding stock to get any of the higher level stats.  So, you cannot breed your 450 level max breeder with a level 15 dino in order to try and get a low movement speed stat.  That means looking for a dino between levels 150-160 to tame with max effectivness, in order to get a dino at 225-240 level.  You will find that this is your sweet spot as far as getting really good dinos to sell and use, because even if you get a dino without the max stat in health, it only takes 10 or so post tame levels to get it there.  If you get lucky and get the perfect dino in a set of opposite gender twins, you can clone it as needed, lol.

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On 3/25/2019 at 9:26 AM, TOLMO said:

That is incorrect

On official(or at least on my server), the tame lvl cap is on 450

 

Your on Medium he asked about Hard, let's start with the basics..

Also we are talking about breeding/mutations, not leveling dinos.. 

 

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1 hour ago, Silverandblack702 said:

Your on Medium he asked about Hard, let's start with the basics..

Also we are talking about breeding/mutations, not leveling dinos.. 

 

On ARK Mobile Official Hard Servers, the max tame level is 450.  Anything above that gets erased at server maintenance.

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