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.. a specific set of tribes will come into others' titan fights, without invite or declaration of war, and do all they can to deny ANYONE else the tame or kill?

I'm asking because the CoC doesn't currently state something SPECIFICALLY against such PvP actions in a PvE environment & several of us want/need clarification.

It's understood that the fights are considered "open to the public" as are veins & OSDs - which doesn't make sense on a PvE server - but hey. *shrug*
But the majority of the server has agreed that if you are working a vein,  OSD or Titan fight and you decline help, that they will sit back and watch or go about their business.

There are several tribes on our server (NA Official PvE) that seem to have made it their mission to deny other tribes or alliances the chance at earning the end game content of defeating the titans or taming them. And doesn't that prevent you from fighting the king titan? (not sure)

These tribes attack to kill the titan if you are trying to tame it then swarm to take the kill claim and loot.
And if you are trying to kill the titan - they rinse and repeat the same process.
They've also used similar tactics if people are working the red and purple OSDs & veins.

And though I was not present at a titan tame attempt a couple of days ago (Saturday, maybe?) several on the server stated that the PvP wannabes said in chat that they are not going to allow/let anyone else own the titans. Especially the snow biome Titan since it's all "their" land.
I can't personally verify these statements/claims.
Yes, the PvP-wannabes have pillared and/or built on most of the snow biome.
And they have been known, recorded & reported for "accidentally" dragging enraged dinos to tames or other players' bases - and at least once "chasing" the Titan they were "trying to tame" & it got stuck on another players' base - killing several of their tames & damaging buildings extensively. That player was online at the time.

We just need/want clarification so we know if tickets about actions & statements like this would be considered valid reports.

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pve side totally broken in extinction.

after spending 30mins for protecting  vein with 2-3 people,in last wave when 1-2 hostiles left,a box named d..k head landing with ptera and stealing your work.Open Public not something like that.

-OSD and Veins Should be doable only by trigger tribe and its allies.

-titans should damage and take damage from only summoner and allies.they should ignore others.

 

 

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You also have ppl exploiting the fact that if you upload the titan the cooldown to resummon does not work. So if they have a titan almost starved and server gets unstable(always is now) they upload it and soon as it crashes they go re tame it bc they now the crash makes it re summonable despite what it lists for a cooldown timer

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6 hours ago, bigfishrob said:

You also have ppl exploiting the fact that if you upload the titan the cooldown to resummon does not work. So if they have a titan almost starved and server gets unstable(always is now) they upload it and soon as it crashes they go re tame it bc they now the crash makes it re summonable despite what it lists for a cooldown timer

I fail to see how that is an exploit? If they send the titan to the download, it will always return with zero food. And the cooldown is based on when it was last summoned.

 

Also, unfortunately there is nothing Wildcard can do about this situation. As mentioned, anyone can loot or break the thing at their own whim, never stated if its pvp or pve, especially where there are opportunist who waits behind to steal everything. I suspect this includes trying to deal with titan as well.

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13 hours ago, Vaculity said:

I fail to see how that is an exploit? If they send the titan to the download, it will always return with zero food. And the cooldown is based on when it was last summoned.

 

Also, unfortunately there is nothing Wildcard can do about this situation. As mentioned, anyone can loot or break the thing at their own whim, never stated if its pvp or pve, especially where there are opportunist who waits behind to steal everything. I suspect this includes trying to deal with titan as well.

it is an exploit bc you avoid the 6 hour cooldown. so they can kick respawn the titan early before the cooldown should expire. enabling them to time when it is available and chain tame it so others cant. makes other players think it is on cooldown and cant be summoned, but it it not.

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On 12/10/2018 at 2:42 PM, phantom55 said:

pve side totally broken in extinction.

after spending 30mins for protecting  vein with 2-3 people,in last wave when 1-2 hostiles left,a box named d..k head landing with ptera and stealing your work.Open Public not something like that.

-OSD and Veins Should be doable only by trigger tribe and its allies.

-titans should damage and take damage from only summoner and allies.they should ignore others.

 

 

same thing hapend on our sever with other tribe.

they where defending 50k vein and after ending it box tribe came and stole most part :| 

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10 hours ago, bigfishrob said:

it is an exploit bc you avoid the 6 hour cooldown. so they can kick respawn the titan early before the cooldown should expire. enabling them to time when it is available and chain tame it so others cant. makes other players think it is on cooldown and cant be summoned, but it it not.

Put it this way. If they knew its going to be this way, other people should predict when they do that so they can steal it. Play by their game, and you can deal with these problematic people.

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52 minutes ago, Vaculity said:

Put it this way. If they knew its going to be this way, other people should predict when they do that so they can steal it. Play by their game, and you can deal with these problematic 

They caan use battle metrics and see who the other ppl who could potentially do it would even be on

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this has happened to us too, there is no way of stopping thieving, 3 tribes worked they butts off to defend the veins, then brackets bribe comes and collects the main vein. They don't even bother to work for it, they steal titan tames, OSD and Element, Devs do something about this, don;t defend these guys because it is not against the rules. If this continues by the end of the year you will not have anyone playing on your extinction servers.

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Titan tames can actually be fixed.  The question is whether or hot wildcard will make it so only so and so tribe who done enough damage can tame it. 

 

As for the osd and node...  We all have to suck it up. They will never do anything about it since they made it clear it won't be protected by anyone. 

I mean if you look at it in this way for those 2 it won't change anything since the douche bag tribe can lock the reward by being the first to trigger it.  It would just be back to square one. 

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A quick solution would be have those specific spots during events be flagged for PvP. So someone muscling in is actually a tactic and not just pure grief. Even on PvE it would make sense to have some PvP aspects that would prevent a lot of cant hurt people who exploit the fact that they cant be hurt.

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18 hours ago, ramflax92 said:

A quick solution would be have those specific spots during events be flagged for PvP. So someone muscling in is actually a tactic and not just pure grief. Even on PvE it would make sense to have some PvP aspects that would prevent a lot of cant hurt people who exploit the fact that they cant be hurt.

as much as i generally dislike pvp this is one of the better suggestions.

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