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Did the music change since that person made that? Because the music sounds different now. Also, the mystery account, https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/profile/1204632-ê€2š¥ëìy/&tab=activity

has anybody tried messaging this? idk if it would work, but if they have messages enabled it might be worth trying to send them on of the "keys."

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1 hour ago, TravisMichael said:

So, you saying 'Oh, it's cheaper to build two of the same Arks." Is the STUPIDEST of answers you could have come up with.

It is also the most accurate answer.

The arks would also have a limit of how many humans it could support at once. By having multiple arks it would speed up the process. There is still enough variety of arks. That would be like saying that each individual wildcard server should be a different ark. 

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1 hour ago, ishootpaint said:

 Lol. It is always cheaper to build two of the same exact things than two different things. Its pretty much manufacturing 101.

 And yes, there are multiple island arks as you see others upon ascension. And you kinda disproved your own point when you said they were probably just placeholders so WC wouldn't have to spend more to make a different one.... Since its cheaper to make two things the same and all.

 Your basically telling people your right and not to believe our own lying eyes.

 And no, "Humans" are extinct. Our players are homo deus clones. Why would we have to grow and evolve when we could just be genetically altered from the start to be better. If the overseers can make wyvs etc. Im sure a badass homo species would be simple.

I said those Arks were PLACEHOLDER Images you moron. They may be the same/similar image but they're not supposed to actually be the Island Ark. Why would WC go the trouble of making an image for a new Ark that the player doesn't visit? We see Aberration and Scorched because we visit them, so they were showing the player the other levels

And no the survivors are not homo deus clones. Did you even read the explorer notes? Helena is from 2008. Rockwell and Me Yin are much older than that. They are clones of humans from the past.

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1 minute ago, JustAnotherBeachNoob said:

It is also the most accurate answer.

The arks would also have a limit of how many humans it could support at once. By having multiple arks it would speed up the process. There is still enough variety of arks. That would be like saying that each individual wildcard server should be a different ark. 

I didn't know you were an expert at ark engineering.

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1 minute ago, TravisMichael said:

I said those Arks were PLACEHOLDER Images you moron. They may be the same/similar image but they're not supposed to actually be the Island Ark. Why would WC go the trouble of making an image for a new Ark that the player doesn't visit? We see Aberration and Scorched because we visit them, so they were showing the player the other levels

And no the survivors are not homo deus clones. Did you even read the explorer notes? Helena is from 2008. Rockwell and Me Yin are much older than that. They are clones of humans from the past.

1. What is the point to not have multiple of the same arks. Ever heard of the invention of interchange parts?

2. I never said that the survivors were homo-deus colones. 

1 minute ago, TravisMichael said:

I didn't know you were an expert at ark engineering.

3. The island has an area of 49km. It would be unlivable with a certain amount of people on it. Each human needs to meet their own needs of shelter, food, water. 

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18 minutes ago, TravisMichael said:

I said those Arks were PLACEHOLDER Images you moron. They may be the same/similar image but they're not supposed to actually be the Island Ark. Why would WC go the trouble of making an image for a new Ark that the player doesn't visit? We see Aberration and Scorched because we visit them, so they were showing the player the other levels

And no the survivors are not homo deus clones. Did you even read the explorer notes? Helena is from 2008. Rockwell and Me Yin are much older than that. They are clones of humans from the past.

That escalated quickly.

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1 hour ago, TravisMichael said:

I said those Arks were PLACEHOLDER Images you moron. They may be the same/similar image but they're not supposed to actually be the Island Ark. Why would WC go the trouble of making an image for a new Ark that the player doesn't visit? We see Aberration and Scorched because we visit them, so they were showing the player the other levels

And no the survivors are not homo deus clones. Did you even read the explorer notes? Helena is from 2008. Rockwell and Me Yin are much older than that. They are clones of humans from the past.

 I know what you said. Your losing ground the more you call people names. Clones cannot have memories, those memories are either made up or artificially recreated and implanted from the lives of real people(i dont buy the timetravel theory). Memories arn't stored in DNA but in areas of your brain that can be accessed when needed. How would they have access to brains from the 1800s and ancient china?(without the aforementioned time travel theory)

 And it would take all of a half hour to draw a shape of a new made up ark as a placeholder(edit: or just simply use rag or the center if its just a non cannon ark as you suggest), by far the easiest part of making that cutscene. Those cutscenes ARE lore, and if they show other island arks then thats the reality of it. Your grasping at straws saying things that are there are not what they are because YOU think they are just placeholders. Any proof that they are placeholders? Because looking out at space from the oveseers room and seeing another island seems more concrete than what you are saying.

 Like i said, your telling us your right even tho those that have ascended or atlast watched the cutscene would know your assumption is incorrect. Im not sure why your calling people names and getting upset because people disagree with you. Doesn't make you soud credible or intelligent, but rather the opposite.

 If you want to have a logical discussion then by all means lay out your theory, but don't throw salt when people find holes in it. If you disagree then just politely disagree, ill take no pain from it. For all we know a new DLC is about to drop and prove us all wrong.

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2 hours ago, ishootpaint said:

 I know what you said. Your losing ground the more you call people names. Clones cannot have memories, those memories are either made up or artificially recreated and implanted from the lives of real people(i dont buy the timetravel theory). Memories arn't stored in DNA but in areas of your brain that can be accessed when needed. How would they have access to brains from the 1800s and ancient china?(without the aforementioned time travel theory)

 And it would take all of a half hour to draw a shape of a new made up ark as a placeholder(edit: or just simply use rag or the center if its just a non cannon ark as you suggest), by far the easiest part of making that cutscene. Those cutscenes ARE lore, and if they show other island arks then thats the reality of it. Your grasping at straws saying things that are there are not what they are because YOU think they are just placeholders. Any proof that they are placeholders? Because looking out at space from the oveseers room and seeing another island seems more concrete than what you are saying.

 Like i said, your telling us your right even tho those that have ascended or atlast watched the cutscene would know your assumption is incorrect. Im not sure why your calling people names and getting upset because people disagree with you. Doesn't make you soud credible or intelligent, but rather the opposite.

 If you want to have a logical discussion then by all means lay out your theory, but don't throw salt when people find holes in it. If you disagree then just politely disagree, ill take no pain from it. For all we know a new DLC is about to drop and prove us all wrong.

Not to mention the fact that:

1. In the Island ascension cutscene ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I9ipgYk6k0 ), we start by flying away from the Island we were just on, only to fly over ANOTHER Island.

2. In Mei-Yin's final Island note she says "I suspect this command center was created by something with technology far beyond most normal comprehension.

In the distance I can see several worlds, one that is clearly a place I've been."

So, yeah, it's confirmed both in the game and in the lore.  Also, TravisMichael , you were right when you said the survivors are clones and not Homo Dei, but I do also agree with ishootpaint when he says the survivors are likely not clones of people that actually existed.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, ArkTheorist123 said:

Not to mention the fact that:

1. In the Island ascension cutscene ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I9ipgYk6k0 ), we start by flying away from the Island we were just on, only to fly over ANOTHER Island.

2. In Mei-Yin's final Island note she says "I suspect this command center was created by something with technology far beyond most normal comprehension.

In the distance I can see several worlds, one that is clearly a place I've been."

So, yeah, it's confirmed both in the game and in the lore.  Also, TravisMichael , you were right when you said the survivors are clones and not Homo Dei, but I do also agree with ishootpaint when he says the survivors are likely not clones of people that actually existed.



 

 

The only thing I can think of to say about this that might have an ounce of hope as a counter arguement is that one graduate kid on Aberration that "spawned" in thought it was a dream and jumped off a cliff to wake up because he had the same dream or a similar one "a few nights ago". If he's not a clone, then someone flarped up that artificial memory seeding algorithm.

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something I'd like to point out, is Helenas 18th note in Aberration. She mentions tubes filled with Homo Sapiens. She also mentions how they might've been made artificially, and that their memories are artificial. She later dismisses this, saying they might be able to reach back in time and grab someone, no matter how unlikely she thinks it is. I just saw this note had to do with the current discussion, and thought I'd mention it.

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So, these are some of the translations for the ascension code with the new video update (Starting with the text on the pillar directly behind the camera and moving right across):

 

AP Secure Connection

Previous Directive Runtime % 6.0485183048e+52 Tp

System Idle Time: 1.08159553106ek5 Tp

AP Secure Connection

ComSec: OK

PhysSec: OK

Power Core: OK

Specimen Viability: 52%

 

There are 3 other messages that I wasn't able to definitively make out the symbols of, the two at the very bottoms of the hologram walls to the left and upper right of the camera, as well as the one just to the left of the human hologram. If someone could somehow translate those ones, that'd be great!

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Alright, I managed to decipher that one bit of text just left of the human hologram:

 

C2M Integrity: 88%

 

What "C2M" stands for, I'm not sure, unless I somehow spelled it wrong, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.

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So, here's every message that's been uncovered (so far):

"G" Timer:

This is not ark 2

Init AP uplink

AP secure connection

Decrypting incoming datastream

Verify UID fingerprint 724EA9458ED40FBF

Command elevation request granted

Command received syscheck

Processing...

AP Secure Connection

Previous Directive Runtime % 6.0485183048e+52 Tp

System Idle Time: 1.08159553106ek5 Tp

AP Secure Connection

ComSec: OK

PhysSec: OK

Power Core: OK

C2M Integrity: 88%

Specimen Viability: 52%

"Communications records":

COMMUNICATIONS TEST RECORD 427A6F2B

UNRECOVERABLE MESSAGE

[LXG_2qANfeIT] HtafP... suboa^;
[ cyq-ut..OUT> tes2\ $hU6pte
[At:_R;C'1V˟] Alk...S1d7Nd  <GUESS..jbeGV cb(...9bF7oLs ]e(Uz
[XOG_xRGNS:Ip* Enl s5mlaJ?r e^c...tНd Go"V ]us:9

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

[LOG_TRANSMIT] Start sublayer encrypted communications test.
[LOG_TRANSMIT] Verify receipt.
[LOG_TRANSMIT] Confirm full fingerprint ID of 724EA9458ED40FBF in user profile.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2

iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJdPUtAAAoJEHJOqUWO1A+/gJQP/0t6bbn7ECOybQn2YWO7TVVN
gfcgSQvfBp+Zxp+efdwQe9mK6MHalrFQIbpazdJYA6vnDx99Il86WvVbjOoQZxEw
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b57N21fvKbzkFofmnMLzdtEMAKvW+iD/bDGxxMmruIl2DWXQqsltp13A2VowFrhe
cAZW/c+9HlSRsBHJYJJx5ejkSGDAs0FS2pa/8P40YkD/ZYSmaQTCEG+cPxwFuFd+
wuyYJHzkM05VFgWwDIHq
=2DQu
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

[LOG_TRANSMIT] Start sublayer encrypted communications test.
[LOG_TRANSMIT] Verify receipt.
[LOG_TRANSMIT] Confirm full fingerprint ID of 724EA9458ED40FBF in user profile.
[LOG_RECEIVE] Message receipt confirmed.
[LOG_RECEIVE] Future communications using fingerprint ID 724EA9458ED40FBF only.
[LOG_RECEIVE] Host System Directive: Null
[LOG_RECEIVE] Host System Status: Hibernate
[LOG_RECEIVE] End sublayer encrypted communications test.
gpg: Signature made Wed 31 Jul 2019 03:51:38 AM DST
gpg:                using RSA key 724EA9458ED40FBF
gpg: Good signature from "Helena Walker <HLNA.WLKR@gmail.com>" [unknown]
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: C3FB C832 2297 5EF0 27C2  46D7 724E A945 8ED4 0FBF


[LOG_TRANSMIT] Secure communication request. Please respond with subject "6aa6816d-e710-4024-a28e-834315c92fdf".

 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hash: SHA256

[LOG_TRANSMIT] Standby, please await further outgoing communications on established channels.

 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

[LOG_TRANSMIT] OK.
[LOG_TRANSMIT] Your cognitive profile seems limited to specimen guardianship, you're a glorified patient monitor.
[LOG_TRANSMIT] Maybe that's good... better to teach you new tricks than convince your host system you should be allowed in places you're not.
[LOG_TRANSMIT] We'll need to do some tests, so I'm working on a few changes to your programming.
[LOG_TRANSMIT] I'll contact you when it's ready.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2

iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJdQSOPAAoJEHJOqUWO1A+/sHEP+wfK/4tnKd0y57WuuJlOEcD2
u/xjjxgXu6/yi6RB/rZgUTJeS2dfA1zdy740lLGIMD8kW+tovbae/mz9OicDUPu1
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c8+JmHlNrB4SDWwrfJkLAlznMhgGrYq+/WFd5a1K41Wd6ETz9VjUdAu5mJjPcHrf
kCfkm/KRAE2iOlR4qfL4s6NU2ADZmG8Qu/qWcNZX0eu7iObgBfeQ564hf3fQAmkT
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7c7P5A0/ADWfe1uRV0Fe/YOIQV/1j019hcRAiSVuUmVBtwbxzSh1KZevUR/So4hK
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VP+QnIRlUZMZVMkS0zp/EjZr61mMpl1yAI1qSYDJY3kFkeHYODYWmKXUtdwSgiXZ
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3o+xvpwXQZDAsiJ1upFy
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-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

 

My analysis:

I think what's going on is some sort of communication between two people in two different facilities, facility/person A and facility/person B. One of the facilities is likely Arat Prime, though whether it's the facility we're seeing with the timer or the other unseen facility I'm not sure, though AP might be the facility with the timer since AP seems like the only place where this "Command elevation (or maybe just "elevation"?)" procedure can be activated. There's also the fact that the facility with the timer looks very similar to the hole on Extinction, though whether that's true and what exact relevance it would have if it was, I'm not sure. Regardless, it seems both facilities are being connected via satellite uplink. Also, let's assume that the text by [LOG_TRANSMIT] and [LOG_RECEIVE] are what's appearing on person A's communication system, and the text by "gpg" (not sure exactly what that means) is what's appearing on person B's communication system.

What exactly is happening with the communication records is kinda high-tech, but I'm going to break it down as best I can: Those blocks of random letters/numbers seen between the phrases "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----" and "-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" are signatures of the sender, but heavily encrypted ones (PGP stands for "Pretty Good Privacy"). Basically the way this works is two important people get one of the same "RSA Key". This key is plugged into their respective computers or other communication device and is used to not only decrypt other people's signatures, but encode your own signature before it is sent to the other person. These encrypted signatures are used as a sort of "password", as not only would the message - if intercepted - be untraceable without the key, but it would verify that the message was indeed sent by the person and not an imposter.

Now that that explanation is out of the way, I want to point out something important - the encrypted signature used during the "Sublayer Encrypted Communications Test" is HELENA'S. In other words, I'm thinking that HELENA is one of the two people talking in these communication records. I know that she "died" at the end of Extinction, but EVERYTHING seems to be pointing to this.  Not only is the signature Helena's, but Wildcard, rather than hide that bit of communication dialogue in one of their OWN gmail accounts, SPECIFICALLY made one for Helena. Furthermore, when you send Helena that code through the gmail account, you get a response seemingly from the SAME AP communication network. Finally, in the latest transmission from the communication records, you can see what appears to be a message that has appeared on person A's communication device, the message having seemingly been sent by person B. The message appears to refer to person A as "limited to specimen guardianship, you're a glorified patient monitor". If Helena I person A, then this description would PERFECTLY describe her as a Homo Dei, a "godlike" entity that "monitors" us survivors, or "specimens/patients".

So, here's a recap/interpretation of what I think is going on here:

Helena (person A) has somehow not only survived Extinction, but has come across a pre-existing human facility, as well as somehow acquired not only an ID fingerprint - serial #724EA9458ED40FBF - , but an RSA key (with the same serial #). She uses the ID fingerprint to gain access to the facility's communication system. She then manages to establish an encrypted satellite uplink connection to Arat Prime (or fixed AP's connection if AP is the facility with the timer), but in order to do so must put in an ID fingerprint and encrypted signature. She complies, using the same fingerprint ID she used before, but using HER OWN signature, which she encrypts using the RSA key (presumably not her own, as we'll see in a moment). The system accepts the ID and signature, but person B gets a warning from his/her communication device that the signature given (Helena's) and the signature of the person who originally owned the ID fingerprint are not the same, and hence might be someone impersonating the fingerprint's original owner. Person B seemingly ignores this, and proceeds to establish full communication with Helena. After doing so, he sends her that message about her "cognitive Profile" and tells her he will "change her programming" and will contact her when it's ready. Person B then grants her "command elevation"/"elevation" and also sends her the upgrade in the form of an encrypted datastream - the glowing beam in the timer! While being upgraded, she decides to pass the time by running a check-up on the system she's using, which is what we're currently seeing with the timer, given all the holograms and statuses for the coms, power core, etc (not to mention those holograms of what appears the be the device the beam is going into!).

After all that, we still have a few questions:

  • Which facility is AP?
  • Is one of the facilities related to that hole on Extinction?
  • Who is person B, the person managing the "gpg" communication system? - He/she ends her message to Helena with his/her OWN encrypted signature, but we're unable to translate it without the RSA key.
  • What is "Command elevation"/"elevation"? - this one I may actually have an answer for: In person B's message to Helena, he tells her she is "limited to specimen guardianship". Is command elevation/elevation some command that grants her freedom from monitoring the ARKs? Is that what happened to person B?
  • Why is there a Hologram of humans (definitely humans and not Homo Dei, human DNA strand in hologram, Homo Dei have different-looking DNA strand) with the message "Specimen Viability (capability of doing work):52%"? Is Helena or person B looking for someone to perform some task?

Again, I could be completely wrong about all of this, but at the moment I'm confident we're about to see some return of Helena, this time stronger than before.

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