Small tribes servers and friendly people?

[Grandta]

Thought I'd be in for all out warfare but people complain because you attack them and ask why you did it. I mean it's PvP and they complain they were attacked..

Seems like these servers are just friendly servers with tribes helping and trading with eachother.

Isn't this considered teaming, I mean all tribes should be against eachother.

Global chat should be disabled, since it promotes teaming and tribes working together, but that can be worked around since PSN and gamertags.

Seems just like normal servers.

 

[MackTheKnife]

Only reason I’m still there is because it takes 40 minutes to tame a 150 argy with cooked mutton, the x3 harvest, and argies are effectively a mobile “put-together” metal base with turrets. The metal INGOTS are reduced by half weight! Once everything is crafted the argy can hold every single thing that makes up your base. 2k carry. 

Then of course you lag out in the middle of the air because of a power outage, and your passive bird was killed by griefing scum. They bring THEIR argy and immediately stuff everything into theirs. 

Players raiding and killing are ok, fair game if they legitimately got in through your defenses. Although C4 suiciding just so you can come back and do it a minute later is silly. They should make turrets more responsive to falling objects. Even better..death by suicide is a large time penalty.

The only thing I truly don’t condone are killing of passives. If they aren’t attacking you and aren’t huge war mounts, just utility, don’t kill them.

Then again, griefers and trolls don’t care about  niceties/etiquette or rules. All I know is that I’d beat them in real life. People are able to be Satan itself behind an anonymous game profile.

But yeah, they do actively communicate on there when they aren’t supposed to. Just like PvE pillaring, who’s gonna stop them? And like I said, I only ask them why if they killed a defenseless tame.

[Grandta]

14 minutes ago, MackTheKnife said:

Then again, griefers and trolls don’t care about  niceties/etiquette or rules. All I know is that I’d beat them in real life. People are able to be Satan itself behind an anonymous game profile.

I don't personally don't kill passive tames or anything, but people have the right to and doesn't make people Satan.

You're creating personal rules that you onforce onto people and treating to harm a person over them playing the game as intended.

Yeah it might be a sausage move but they have ever right to do it.

[MackTheKnife]

7 minutes ago, Grandta said:

I don't personally don't kill passive tames or anything, but people have the right to and doesn't make people Satan.

You're creating personal rules that you onforce onto people and treating to harm a person over them playing the game as intended.

Yeah it might be a sausage move but they have ever right to do it.

Personal rules? No. 80% of players enforce it on PvP. They don’t wanna lose all of their hard time just like everyone else. The 20% are the griefers that simply don’t care and are sociopaths that literally get joy from the misery of others. They do the worst specifically because they are allowed to.

If your government allowed you to kill children without any consequences, would you stand by your moral code and scoff at the atrocity? Or would you partake in it simply because it’s allowed and there aren’t any *legal* consequences? 

It is a strange comparison yet it’s EXACTLY the same principle. The vast majority of people are good but there are definitely bad eggs that you don’t want to release in society.

[ForzaProiettile]

1 hour ago, Grandta said:

Thought I'd be in for all out warfare but people complain because you attack them and ask why you did it. I mean it's PvP and they complain they were attacked..

Seems like these servers are just friendly servers with tribes helping and trading with eachother.

Isn't this considered teaming, I mean all tribes should be against eachother.

Global chat should be disabled, since it promotes teaming and tribes working together, but that can be worked around since PSN and gamertags.

Seems just like normal servers.

 

Yes its rather strange how people don't understand the meaning of PVP. I swear a lot of them are ex PVE players that have got bored and decided to give PVP a try and yet don't approach it with the right mentality .

War is war everything has to die, that's my view on things anyhow. The other day I had some guy tell me I was being "reported" for wiping out his kibble farm. He had about 50 dinos on all passive in his base. In his view killing passive dinos was somehow against the rules ?

[ForzaProiettile]

56 minutes ago, MackTheKnife said:

Then of course you lag out in the middle of the air because of a power outage, and your passive bird was killed by griefing scum. They bring THEIR argy and immediately stuff everything into theirs. 

"Griefing Scum" that is a very harsh and inaccurate way to describe an alert and able PVP player. 

 

57 minutes ago, MackTheKnife said:

Players raiding and killing are ok, fair game if they legitimately got in through your defenses. Although C4 suiciding just so you can come back and do it a minute later is silly. They should make turrets more responsive to falling objects. Even better..death by suicide is a large time penalty.

C4 suiciding works the same as dieing to an enemy player or turrets they get time added on each time they died. It stacks.

57 minutes ago, MackTheKnife said:

The only thing I truly don’t condone are killing of passives. If they aren’t attacking you and aren’t huge war mounts, just utility, don’t kill them.

War is war. If I'm fighting you and I leave you so called "passives" alive then that it makes it easier for you to recover and to strike back. In a war do you bomb just the barracks or do you also up the ammunition factory? Of course you do both.

57 minutes ago, MackTheKnife said:

Then again, griefers and trolls don’t care about  niceties/etiquette or rules. 

You are right we don't care for non existent rules. Hand holding and being polite isn't part of PVP. Kill, slaughter and dominate is the aim of the game. 

1 hour ago, MackTheKnife said:

All I know is that I’d beat them in real life. People are able to be Satan itself behind an anonymous game profile.

You might want to look up the definition of keyboard warrior there tough guy..

[MackTheKnife]

On 7/7/2018 at 1:29 PM, ForzaProiettile said:

"Griefing Scum" that is a very harsh and inaccurate way to describe an alert and able PVP player. 

 

C4 suiciding works the same as dieing to an enemy player or turrets they get time added on each time they died. It stacks.

War is war. If I'm fighting you and I leave you so called "passives" alive then that it makes it easier for you to recover and to strike back. In a war do you bomb just the barracks or do you also up the ammunition factory? Of course you do both.

You are right we don't care for non existent rules. Hand holding and being polite isn't part of PVP. Kill, slaughter and dominate is the aim of the game. 

You might want to look up the definition of keyboard warrior there tough guy..

Yeah you’re exactly the type I’m talking about. Killing a whole taming pen of 50 Dinos that were passive just because you can. You are the guy that the whole server hunts down because you have no respect for anything. 

Take down probably hundreds of hours worth of someone’s time because you want to. Like you said, “in your view, anyways”. 

There’s a way to do things. Take what you need and get out. Don’t completely decimate everything back to the Stone Age. That’s way overboard and is considered extremely d!ckish behavior.

These rules are NOT non-existent, only to you and your pirate kind. It’s courtesy but of course you always have the ones who take advantage.

Don’t bomb the barracks. Why do you think in WW1 the Germans and English agreed not to shell the barracks or latrines? 

I’m not responding anymore. All I will say is that I hope you are caged and cuffed, constantly fed narcs and food. Then again, parasites like you will just leave and find somewhere else to infect.

[Ronson12]

1 hour ago, MackTheKnife said:

Personal rules? No. 80% of players enforce it on PvP. They don’t wanna lose all of their hard time just like everyone else. The 20% are the griefers that simply don’t care and are sociopaths that literally get joy from the misery of others. They do the worst specifically because they are allowed to.

If your government allowed you to kill children without any consequences, would you stand by your moral code and scoff at the atrocity? Or would you partake in it simply because it’s allowed and there aren’t any *legal* consequences? 

It is a strange comparison yet it’s EXACTLY the same principle. The vast majority of people are good but there are definitely bad eggs that you don’t want to release in society.

if someone does wrong to me,i personally pike every last tame if i get chance,passive or not.you assume the other guy kills stuff for fun and not for a reason.also you set all your dinos to agressive or neutral,put them on follow to a rubish tame,.if you leave them passive thats YOUR problem!

[ForzaProiettile]

1 hour ago, MackTheKnife said:

Personal rules? No. 80% of players enforce it on PvP. They don’t wanna lose all of their hard time just like everyone else. The 20% are the griefers that simply don’t care and are sociopaths that literally get joy from the misery of others. They do the worst specifically because they are allowed to.

If your government allowed you to kill children without any consequences, would you stand by your moral code and scoff at the atrocity? Or would you partake in it simply because it’s allowed and there aren’t any *legal* consequences? 

It is a strange comparison yet it’s EXACTLY the same principle. The vast majority of people are good but there are definitely bad eggs that you don’t want to release in society.

80% enforce a non existent rule? Where exactly are you pulling these "stats" from? The 20% you describe as "griefers" are hardcore and well trained dedicated PVP specialists.

We consider it an honour to be labelled a griefer/toxic/troll. It means we have really smashed the crap out of someone, wrecked them so hard they have nothing left but to type but those hollow meaningless little words.

[covenantgrunt]

46 minutes ago, MackTheKnife said:

Yeah you’re exactly the type I’m talking about. Killing a whole taming pen of 50 Dinos that were passive just because you can. You are the guy that the whole server hunts down because you have no respect for anything. 

Take down probably hundreds of hours worth of someone’s time because you want to. Like you said, “in your view, anyways”. 

There’s a way to do things. Take what you need and get out. Don’t completely decimate everything back to the Stone Age. That’s way overboard and is considered extremely d!ckish behavior.

These rules are NOT non-existent, only to you and your pirate kind. It’s courtesy but of course you always have the ones who take advantage.

Don’t bomb the barracks. Why do you think in WW1 the Germans and English agreed to shell the barracks or latrines? 

I’m not responding anymore. All I will say is that I hope you are caged and cuffed, constantly fed narcs and food. Then again, parasites like you will just leave and find somewhere else to infect.

 

Not every raider is same, some have sense of honor that goes against unnecessarily killing tames or raiding weaker tribes. Me I like a sense of villainy in my raids. One time I put C4 on a guys Therizino and told him he has 60 secs to unclaim the beast and give it to me. And counted the last 10 seconds down on voice comms....well its not my fault the Therizino's owner chose his pride over the animals life. The next tribe on same server however was more considerate, after I killed like half their dino pen, destroyed all their turrets and took everything in their vaults, I said I will be back tomorrow to finish the job. if they wanna continue playing on this server they better tame me a level 150 red turtle by tomorrow. Which they did when I arrived next day, the most amusing part was when I asked them that I wanted to see their Therizino, which they had tamed during the night and hidden away thinking I did not know. The nervousness was hilarious as they trotted it out before me, then I told them relax I just wanted to see what color it was.

Another time me and a friend  were setting up a small bob tribe whose real purpose was to recruit and train people for our main tribe. We pretended to be bobs on the server saying we came from PVE and are learning to play PVP. Everyone bought it and we got invited to server discord. The server had many small and medium sized tribes who were friendly.  Anyway while making our bob base we notice the neighbors had a nice base with plant X, bronto and a bunch of rexes and were out farming or something. Against our better judgement our bloodlust for pvp took over,  my friend was on an argy and I was on ground with a fabby watching over. We had killed a bunch of dinos when the defenders returned, their ptera picked my friend from his argy and dropped him.  If the enemy saw our argy or my friends body and divined the tribe name our bob tribe plans would be dead.

I rushed over, I pretended to be under attack by same guys that attacked this base. I had put away my fabby and put on hide armor to look convincing. The same people I was raiding were now helping "defend me". I misdirected them toward the volcano, saying the "raiders" were attacking my anky there. Thus giving my friend time to respawn, get his kit and get the argy away. The enemy never realized the raider and I were same team. 

OOC : Yeah I am a filthy PVE roleplayer at heart, even though I play official PVP, anyone  can wipe some bobs me i like to mess with them in style.

 

[Grandta]

1 hour ago, MackTheKnife said:

Personal rules? No. 80% of players enforce it on PvP. They don’t wanna lose all of their hard time just like everyone else. The 20% are the griefers that simply don’t care and are sociopaths that literally get joy from the misery of others. They do the worst specifically because they are allowed to.

If your government allowed you to kill children without any consequences, would you stand by your moral code and scoff at the atrocity? Or would you partake in it simply because it’s allowed and there aren’t any *legal* consequences? 

It is a strange comparison yet it’s EXACTLY the same principle. The vast majority of people are good but there are definitely bad eggs that you don’t want to release in society.

Players don't make the rules though, you can't enforce player rules.

I'm not going to argue, your comparison is not comparable since it's data Vs reality. 

You call people bad because they play a game as intended. Just because it's unliked doesn't mean you can create your own rules to stop.

 

 

[MackTheKnife]

I mean that’s just bad behavior overall. I like the PvP but you guys do it over the top. Completely crippling them will just make them move somewhere else and eventually cripple you as well. 

Thats why I am nice. You’ll always have the morons who just dedicate their time to only blow things up and claim it’s PvP. While it’s true, it’s also become very distorted. You’re supposed to be productive and take things to better your own tribe, not be a virulent plague and discard everything for the lulz. Just because you are allowed to do something, doesn’t mean you have to. But again these people enjoy feeding off misery.

Be respectful to people and chances are great that they will treat you the same. 

Sone people just have far too much time on their hands to reach the level of detachment of this game. I used to be in a troll tribe and hated it. Making the players lose thousands of hours in just a few minutes really made me hate myself lol. We had EVERYTHING ascendant so it was quick. 

All in all, it’s your choice. I agree with that. Just as long as you agree to get cagecuffed and spawnkilled every time we see you. 

 

 

[ForzaProiettile]

3 hours ago, MackTheKnife said:

Yeah you’re exactly the type I’m talking about. Killing a whole taming pen of 50 Dinos that were passive just because you can. You are the guy that the whole server hunts down because you have no respect for anything. 

It used to be the case before small tribe servers that the whole server would try and hunt us down which was actually the best and most enjoyable part. I can recall fondly the days when the sight of just walking past a base was cause for alarm in global. With small tribe servers though there is far less hand holding so people like me generally have an easier time causing chaos.

Case in point last night my group attacked a tribe in the Redwoods and there was a neighbouring tribe and their base well within earshot of the tribe we were hitting. Some of them came out of their base and even spy glassed us but none tried to make any moves on us. We raided the base locked up the loot then we came back and hit the neighbouring tribe and you know what they said? "Why you doing this? We are friendly".

In this game you have to learn to trust no one. The only time I am friendly in this game is it will give me an advantage as soon as that has passed they are back on my kill list.

3 hours ago, MackTheKnife said:

Take down probably hundreds of hours worth of someone’s time because you want to. Like you said, “in your view, anyways”. 

There’s a way to do things. Take what you need and get out. Don’t completely decimate everything back to the Stone Age. That’s way overboard and is considered extremely d!ckish behavior.

These rules are NOT non-existent, only to you and your pirate kind. It’s courtesy but of course you always have the ones who take advantage.

There is no rules when it comes to combat in PVP on Official servers. You are free to report as many "griefers", "trolls" and "toxic" players as you want but the support team will just have an almighty laugh. What you are suggesting is more akin to unofficial servers and there plenty of them with quaint little rules that try and stop people engaging in combat even though they called themselves PVP servers.

[Ronson12]

4 hours ago, MackTheKnife said:

I mean that’s just bad behavior overall. I like the PvP but you guys do it over the top. Completely crippling them will just make them move somewhere else and eventually cripple you as well. 

Thats why I am nice. You’ll always have the morons who just dedicate their time to only blow things up and claim it’s PvP. While it’s true, it’s also become very distorted. You’re supposed to be productive and take things to better your own tribe, not be a virulent plague and discard everything for the lulz. Just because you are allowed to do something, doesn’t mean you have to. But again these people enjoy feeding off misery.

Be respectful to people and chances are great that they will treat you the same. 

Sone people just have far too much time on their hands to reach the level of detachment of this game. I used to be in a troll tribe and hated it. Making the players lose thousands of hours in just a few minutes really made me hate myself lol. We had EVERYTHING ascendant so it was quick. 

All in all, it’s your choice. I agree with that. Just as long as you agree to get cagecuffed and spawnkilled every time we see you. 

 

There ain't no "respectful" way to blow someone's door off the hinges and flame thrower their bloodlines to death buddy.what sort of pvp game gives you such creative weaponry to kill pixilated dinosaurs but doesn't allow you to use them due to some unknown code of honour ?

[Ronson12]

I've no idea why the above comment decided it's going to be part of the quote but its making my eyes bleed and i cant delete it so I'll repost.... 

 

There ain't no "respectful" way to blow someone's door off the hinges and flame thrower their bloodlines to death buddy.what sort of pvp game gives you such creative weaponry to kill pixilated dinosaurs but doesn't allow you to use them due to some unknown code of honour

[ForzaProiettile]

2 hours ago, Ronson12 said:

I've no idea why the above comment decided it's going to be part of the quote but its making my eyes bleed and i cant delete it so I'll repost.... 

 

There ain't no "respectful" way to blow someone's door off the hinges and flame thrower their bloodlines to death buddy.what sort of pvp game gives you such creative weaponry to kill pixilated dinosaurs but doesn't allow you to use them due to some unknown code of honour

That made me laugh. Well said.

It reminds me of all the hysteria about the Syrians using poison gas on people. Does it really make much difference if someone is gassed or if they die in the more legal way by being blow to bits from an artillery shell. After all dead is dead.

[OttoGrunf]

On 7/7/2018 at 6:03 PM, Grandta said:

Thought I'd be in for all out warfare but people complain because you attack them and ask why you did it. I mean it's PvP and they complain they were attacked..

Seems like these servers are just friendly servers with tribes helping and trading with eachother.

Isn't this considered teaming, I mean all tribes should be against eachother.

Global chat should be disabled, since it promotes teaming and tribes working together, but that can be worked around since PSN and gamertags.

Seems just like normal servers.

 

what sts you found to be friendly since i found none

 

On 7/7/2018 at 7:20 PM, ForzaProiettile said:

Yes its rather strange how people don't understand the meaning of PVP. I swear a lot of them are ex PVE players that have got bored and decided to give PVP a try and yet don't approach it with the right mentality .

War is war everything has to die, that's my view on things anyhow. The other day I had some guy tell me I was being "reported" for wiping out his kibble farm. He had about 50 dinos on all passive in his base. In his view killing passive dinos was somehow against the rules ?

pvp means you can resolve conflict with violence if needed, not that you should enjoy in killing beach bobs in thatch huts with level 300 gigas

[ForzaProiettile]

4 hours ago, OttoGrunf said:

what sts you found to be friendly since i found none

 

pvp means you can resolve conflict with violence if needed, not that you should enjoy in killing beach bobs in thatch huts with level 300 gigas

PVP means I can employ grotesque violence whenever I deem fit. Whether that is shooting a rocket a level 1 naked player on the beach standing next to his first campfire or eating's someone Dodos with a Giga, it is not relevant.

[Melcreif]

On 7/7/2018 at 9:03 AM, Grandta said:

Thought I'd be in for all out warfare but people complain because you attack them and ask why you did it. I mean it's PvP and they complain they were attacked..

Seems like these servers are just friendly servers with tribes helping and trading with eachother.

Isn't this considered teaming, I mean all tribes should be against eachother.

Global chat should be disabled, since it promotes teaming and tribes working together, but that can be worked around since PSN and gamertags.

Seems just like normal servers.

 

So I read your post and thought it was interesting and was ready to give my opinion and after reading all the comments I almost forgot what the original question actually was LOL.  I had to go read it again...

So to answer Your question, no trading, acting friendly, global chat, etc is not teaming.  The teaming they are trying to prevent is multiple tribes acting as one tribe.  This doesn't mean tribes don't have the right to be civil with each other and to even trade with each other.  These are parts of Ark that give it real depth and keep it from being like all the other PVP games out there.  PVP is possible, but it's not required. It allows folks to grasp at that idea of a Utopia that isn't forced on you like PVE but is possible if folks work together.

I think people get confused with what the intent here is with the 6 tribe limit servers.  They aren't trying to force eveyrone to be enemies!  They are simply trying to limit the size of tribes.  So if you do a boss battle with multiple tribes, attack another tribe with multiple tribes, then you are acting like 1 big tribe.  Trading with someone doesn't make you part of their tribe right?  It's actually a very untribe like action since you have to give something to get something, so don't look at it that way.

With those thoughts out of the way ForzaProiettile made a very interesting point.  This concept of keeping tribes from working together as a unit definately does work to the griefers/trolls advantage since I can see where folks don't think they are able to work with other tribes to eliminate a threat that needs to be dealt with.  I'm not entirely sure what the answer here is in this scenario but I have to admit it's kinda fascinating.

[OttoGrunf]

On 7/9/2018 at 7:05 AM, ForzaProiettile said:

PVP means I can employ grotesque violence whenever I deem fit. Whether that is shooting a rocket a level 1 naked player on the beach standing next to his first campfire or eating's someone Dodos with a Giga, it is not relevant.

thats why ark is loosing players. developers cant find proper balance between total passive pve and carnage of pvp modes

[MandaBear]

Well. This was quite an interesting read about peoples methods of playing pvp. Ark really can bring out the absolute worst in people on both sides of that debate. ? On one side people sound border line psychotic only pvping just to make sure the other guys suffer and you get to laugh at their anguish (chill dude its just a game, and that speaks levels about your character too) and on the other you have a white knight fighting for all of the "innocent" pvp raid victims that definitely NEVER started anything or brought all of that "senseless killing" on to themselves by annoying the living **** out of the people wiping them right? When you play pvp you shouldn't ever think your tames have a right to stay alive just because of the effort that went into taming them. Everything can and does get destroyed whether you agree with it or not because that's the free range game play you signed up for when you joined the server. Doesn't matter if you or I think its right or wrong, there's no rules against it so it should not be a surprise at this point.

[OttoGrunf]

6 hours ago, MandaBear said:

Well. This was quite an interesting read about peoples methods of playing pvp. Ark really can bring out the absolute worst in people on both sides of that debate. ? On one side people sound border line psychotic only pvping just to make sure the other guys suffer and you get to laugh at their anguish (chill dude its just a game, and that speaks levels about your character too) and on the other you have a white knight fighting for all of the "innocent" pvp raid victims that definitely NEVER started anything or brought all of that "senseless killing" on to themselves by annoying the living **** out of the people wiping them right? When you play pvp you shouldn't ever think your tames have a right to stay alive just because of the effort that went into taming them. Everything can and does get destroyed whether you agree with it or not because that's the free range game play you signed up for when you joined the server. Doesn't matter if you or I think its right or wrong, there's no rules against it so it should not be a surprise at this point.

well i doubt there is any white knights in ark, but its full of sadistic people that enjoy when others suffer. what is the reason of griefing casual players in stone huts over and over again other than being sick sadist? we wiped quite fair share of tribes but all of them deserved, ether by attacking those small casual tribes for fun or similar.

i remember one event, right after new official servers started, new tribe mate (young person in real life) and i where wandering around map on land mounts and found dude building thatch hut. when he have seen us, he started to run (he later explained that he is constantly griefed on previous servers that he joined), we chased him, pined him in corner and he was asking non stop not to kill him. after i asked him why would he think we would kill him, he told us about his previous experiences. we gave him some of our tools, basic weapons, some armour and narcos (we where on hunting run to find something nice to tame). and that young tribe member asked me why we helped that person? is that because im a good man? i told him that i behave in games same way i behave in real life. help those who need it and hurt those that try to hurt me.

on small tribes servers i wander around map on foot with just a bacis gear and do you know how many friendly people, that didnt tried to kill me on site, i have seen on those servers? 1, just a single 1. others charge at you even they are 5 times lower level than you. if thats not sick behavior, i dont know what is

[covenantgrunt]

1 hour ago, OttoGrunf said:

well i doubt there is any white knights in ark, but its full of sadistic people that enjoy when others suffer. what is the reason of griefing casual players in stone huts over and over again other than being sick sadist? we wiped quite fair share of tribes but all of them deserved, ether by attacking those small casual tribes for fun or similar.

i remember one event, right after new official servers started, new tribe mate (young person in real life) and i where wandering around map on land mounts and found dude building thatch hut. when he have seen us, he started to run (he later explained that he is constantly griefed on previous servers that he joined), we chased him, pined him in corner and he was asking non stop not to kill him. after i asked him why would he think we would kill him, he told us about his previous experiences. we gave him some of our tools, basic weapons, some armour and narcos (we where on hunting run to find something nice to tame). and that young tribe member asked me why we helped that person? is that because im a good man? i told him that i behave in games same way i behave in real life. help those who need it and hurt those that try to hurt me.

on small tribes servers i wander around map on foot with just a bacis gear and do you know how many friendly people, that didnt tried to kill me on site, i have seen on those servers? 1, just a single 1. others charge at you even they are 5 times lower level than you. if thats not sick behavior, i dont know what is

 

When you play a game like say CS:GO or PUBG do you complain about why the players are shooting at you ?

 

To make a more apt comparison Ark is basically a very slow paced RTS game, with dinos being the main units and players as hero characters. When you play a game like Warcraft or Starcraft 2 do you complain when somebody else builds up a much better base and wipes yours ? When he killed non combat units do you get salty for "killing passives" ?

Same here, when you join to play on a PVP server on Ark, you are there to shoot people, destroy bases and kill dinos. If you wanna just build stuff, be nice, or do limited PVP under strict rules go check out unofficials.

[Corrigan]

On 7/7/2018 at 12:45 PM, Grandta said:

I don't personally don't kill passive tames or anything, but people have the right to and doesn't make people Satan.

You're creating personal rules that you onforce onto people and treating to harm a person over them playing the game as intended.

Yeah it might be a sausage move but they have ever right to do it.

Eh. We need two pvp game modes. White knights and satans advocates. They should make a pvp game mode where utility tames switched to passive are invulnerable to damage after a certain amount of time, like tame ORP. After that time anything in the tames inventory drops. When you ride a passive tame, it becomes vulnerable. When you demount a passive tame, the timer begins until it becomes invulnerable. The guy who made that passive protected mod had the right idea. 

[ForzaProiettile]

21 hours ago, OttoGrunf said:

thats why ark is loosing players. developers cant find proper balance between total passive pve and carnage of pvp modes

PVP needs balance between PVP and PVE? In that case its not PVP then is it.