Why do people think Therizinosaurus' ignore saddle armor?

[MTek9]

Ive tested this on 6 different types of animals with and without saddles and the saddle proved to reduce the main attack dmg of the theriz every single time. 

Not once did it hit for the same amount as it hit when the animal had no saddle

 

 

[Sharpshot879]

I don’t think they pierce saddle Armor but “natural” armour on creatures like anklyos that take reduced damage from projectiles

[MTek9]

23 minutes ago, Sharpshot879 said:

I don’t think they pierce saddle Armor but “natural” armour on creatures like anklyos that take reduced damage from projectiles

Interesting. I know the headbutt attack breaks flak

[DarthaNyan]

1 hour ago, MTek9 said:

Ive tested this on 6 different types of animals with and without saddles and the saddle proved to reduce the main attack dmg of the theriz every single time. 

Not once did it hit for the same amount as it hit when the animal had no saddle

Just to satisfy my curiosity did a little test:

Therizino with 1007% melee (no rider buff or mateboost)

Rex 999% melee (no rider buff, no mateboost)

3 unclamied non-mateboosted mammoths, one unsaddled, one with stock saddle, one with 150 armor saddle.

aside from odd "crits" (first number in results, hard to tell why or how it happens, looks random/chance-based with a little bit of effect of angle of attack) both rex and therizino do occasionally, it is obvious that Therizino's normal attack does not follow armor progression for dinos while other attacks and rex do:

Damage= raw damage*25/(25+armor)

That means that THerizino does have armor piercing property on its normal claw attack, although it is not a 100% ignore.

And Therizino is also more efficient than Rex of comparable melee against even stock saddles.

[Sondemon]

In the test you performed, did you account for LMB to hit twice and RMB hitting three times?

[DarthaNyan]

6 minutes ago, Sondemon said:

In the test you performed, did you account for LMB to hit twice and RMB hitting three times?

LMB (always, has been fixed long time ago) hits once, RMB (tickle) hits twice the amount in the table. Numbers are "per-hit".

[MTek9]

On 3/29/2018 at 7:48 AM, DarthaNyan said:

Just to satisfy my curiosity did a little test:

Therizino with 1007% melee (no rider buff or mateboost)

Rex 999% melee (no rider buff, no mateboost)

3 unclamied non-mateboosted mammoths, one unsaddled, one with stock saddle, one with 150 armor saddle.

aside from odd "crits" (first number in results, hard to tell why or how it happens, looks random/chance-based with a little bit of effect of angle of attack) both rex and therizino do occasionally, it is obvious that Therizino's normal attack does not follow armor progression for dinos while other attacks and rex do:

Damage= raw damage*25/(25+armor)

That means that THerizino does have armor piercing property on its normal claw attack, although it is not a 100% ignore.

And Therizino is also more efficient than Rex of comparable melee against even stock saddles.

My test proved it has no Pierce. I'll retest today and take SS. I'll even record actually

[Zederia]

Therizino can bypass a dino and hit the player directly, so that makes some sense..

[Lockjaw]

I can confirm from looking in the dev kit that it does pierce, though as DarthNyan pointed out it doesn't 100% ignore armor.

[DarthaNyan]

2 minutes ago, Zederia said:

Therizino can bypass a dino and hit the player directly, so that makes some sense..

only headbutt attack does so, but it doesnt ignore saddle's armor.

[Zederia]

Just now, DarthaNyan said:

only headbutt attack does so, but it doesnt ignore saddle's armor.

that's not true, I can not count the number of times I died on a dino with a theri attacking me, and not my dino and not with a "headbutt"

[DarthaNyan]

7 minutes ago, Zederia said:

that's not true, I can not count the number of times I died on a dino with a theri attacking me, and not my dino and not with a "headbutt"

wild theriz do headbutt attack once every few claw attacks - it is the only one that damages the rider.

Anyway Theriz being able to attack rider is completely different mechanic and has nothing to do with its claw attack having armor pierce property. The other notable creature that has armor piercing as well is Manta but it doesnt damage the rider, in case you wanted to draw parallel between the two. Also dimorphodons can attack rider but dont have armor piercing property on their attack.

[Zederia]

1 minute ago, DarthaNyan said:

wild theriz do headbutt attack once every few claw attacks - it is the only one that damages the rider.

1: they don't have a headbutt
2: I was decimated by CLAW attacks
3: I was not riding a rex, or any big dino I was typically on a wolf, with at least 2 pack mates, and EVERY attack hit me

[ArmyQC]

Ty for the info pretty useful actually theri make more dmg to animals than others dyno =)

 

[MTek9]

On 3/30/2018 at 11:55 AM, Lockjaw said:

I can confirm from looking in the dev kit that it does pierce, though as DarthNyan pointed out it doesn't 100% ignore armor.

Screenshot the devkit? I mesn what exact information did you see? 

[MTek9]

I'm necroing this because it was never fully answered. 

 

Also can someone tell me why theriz enrage gigas while the dire bear, which hits significantly harder, does not?

[Wazzamaniac]

4 hours ago, MTek9 said:

I'm necroing this because it was never fully answered. 

 

Also can someone tell me why theriz enrage gigas while the dire bear, which hits significantly harder, does not?

Dps is higher because bear right click is slow, which lets the giga rage bar more time to drain?

[Lockjaw]

Theris don't 100% ignore armor, but they do pierce it to an extent. Even the dossier tells you this

[RipRavage]

20 hours ago, Wazzamaniac said:

Dps is higher because bear right click is slow, which lets the giga rage bar more time to drain?

I don’t believe the DPS is actually higher unless the Therizinosaur is actually hitting through armor. I’m pretty sure this has been researched before, Therizinosaur has less dps than the Rex and bear.