SmokeyB Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Ok so another post on here got me thinking would small tribes be happy to join a server where they were allowed to build but had to pay the alpha taxes and follow laws ? For example pay 10k ar bullets a week for a safe server to build on as long as you have no stegos and brontos and only max 20 turrets on your base . In return for your payment you are given protection by the alpha who will even help you fight trolls and rebuild if offline raided. Would you feel like a slave or would you be glad someone was keeping order and happily pay taxes for the benefit like you do in real life for the police. Would like to hear from small tribes , solo players if they would like it or not and also large alphas on if they think it would be worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshot879 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, SmokeyB said: Ok so another post on here got me thinking would small tribes be happy to join a server where they were allowed to build but had to pay the alpha taxes and follow laws ? For example pay 10k ar bullets a week for a safe server to build on as long as you have no stegos and brontos and only max 20 turrets on your base . In return for your payment you are given protection by the alpha who will even help you fight trolls and rebuild if offline raided. Would you feel like a slave or would you be glad someone was keeping order and happily pay taxes for the benefit like you do in real life for the police. Would like to hear from small tribes , solo players if they would like it or not and also large alphas on if they think it would be worth the effort. I would not like this as 20 turrets are not good for anything,10k assault rifle bullets as a small tribe is extremely hard and no soakers is also really annoying. I am a former small tribe now solo player also the risk of double crossing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekrucifixion187 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 If I played PvP I wouldn't like this but then again my style of play would be cause chaos anyway. I'd very much be the anti to this or perhaps the reason for it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthaNyan Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 10k bullets for a smaller tribes/newer players will quickly become a boring chore. Many play after work to relax/rest, so working during rest is not something i would call a time well spent. It also comes with a perk of alphas or someone from their alliance become bored and wipe you anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 hour ago, DarthaNyan said: 10k bullets for a smaller tribes/newer players will quickly become a boring chore. Many play after work to relax/rest, so working during rest is not something i would call a time well spent. It also comes with a perk of alphas or someone from their alliance become bored and wipe you anyway. Do you think it would help if we gave them an industrial forge and a chem bench? Was thinking ally with them, build the forge in their base then un ally so they can use the forge but can't demo it for mats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorium Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, SmokeyB said: Do you think it would help if we gave them an industrial forge and a chem bench? Was thinking ally with them, build the forge in their base then un ally so they can use the forge but can't demo it for mats. Forge, chem bech, anky and mammoth, then you got your slave workforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Thorium said: Forge, chem bech, anky and mammoth, then you got your slave workforce. Was thinking they can get their own Tames lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngrySaltire Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 This thread just reminded me of this article from way back when. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/642357/ARK-Survival-Evolved-Xbox-One-Tribes-update-servers-Grappling-Hook/amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeLitorus Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 This is not a new idea, MANY alpha tribes do this on officials already, as far as my opinion goes, No i dont like this, would be better/ more fun to bring the alpha to their knees. Also they are never as good as actual police, the trolls will still get ya, also the trolls wont get justice since there gonna be off the server in 12 hours and probably change their name. I just play orp pvp, since it lets tribes of any size/ even solo players exists on the server. You can even use niche survival and just know the area better than your enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 10 hours ago, MikeLitorus said: This is not a new idea, MANY alpha tribes do this on officials already, as far as my opinion goes, No i dont like this, would be better/ more fun to bring the alpha to their knees. Also they are never as good as actual police, the trolls will still get ya, also the trolls wont get justice since there gonna be off the server in 12 hours and probably change their name. I just play orp pvp, since it lets tribes of any size/ even solo players exists on the server. You can even use niche survival and just know the area better than your enemies. Have you ever had dealings with actual police? They don't do poop, just turn up after and take statements, they don't prevent nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator invincibleqc Posted February 18, 2018 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, SmokeyB said: Have you ever had dealings with actual police? They don't do poop, just turn up after and take statements, they don't prevent nothing. Heh. They do a lot of prevention. The difference is that you don't hear about it because the medias only reports drama because this is what that sells and gets clicks. Maybe you should have more respect, a lot of them are risking their life on a daily basis just so you can safely game in your pyjama. That being said, let's try to not derail the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthaNyan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, SmokeyB said: Have you ever had dealings with actual police? They don't do poop, just turn up after and take statements, they don't prevent nothing. The fear of punishment is what prevents crimes. Police is there to enforce that punishment. But alas, that wont work with ARK, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, invincibleqc said: Heh. They do a lot of prevention. The difference is that you don't hear about it because the medias only reports drama because this is what that sells and gets clicks. Maybe you should have more respect, a lot of them are risking their life on a daily basis just so you can safely game in your pyjama. That being said, let's try to not derail the thread. Lol two black dudes came to my house in ski masks and robbed all my weed at gunpoint. The police came, had no interest in armed robbers running around the neighbourhood, took a statement They came back two days later smashed off my door with a battering ram and raided my house with a sniffer dog. Ignored armed dangerous robbers and terrorised the poor innocent weed dealer. Police don't do poop, raptor the police. Someone smashes your window, they don't do nothing, you drive your own car and they pull you over and drug test u. People really need to actually deal with the police before they can talk about them. Plus police in England aren't risking their lives they are just bell ends, maybe in America they are risking their lives but in America you are risking your life just going to school so that's not a good example of a civilised society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, DarthaNyan said: The fear of punishment is what prevents crimes. Police is there to enforce that punishment. But alas, that wont work with ARK, ever. If your getting raided we (the alpha) will be there in 30 seconds on dragons and minigun turret quetzals, we will kill the trolls and give you stuff to rebuild. We prevent the crime of anyone from the server raiding you but its hard to stop illegal immigrants from committing crimes. If you are getting attacked in real life the police will take an hour to get there, not look for the attackers and give you nothing to fix your broken door or smashed window. They won't even prevent your neighbours from killing your dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark2084 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 and once again i am sitting here wondering why anyone would play PvP if all they are going to do is make deals or suck up to everyone just to avoid being raided. the whole raid and be raided is the point of PvP and not being raided is PvE. also another thought... these servers where the bullie.... erumm "alpha" demmands your obedience/slavery/submission... well go to another server after a while they'll be the only ones left on the server essentially rendering it a dead server and they'll either get bored and quit, try raiding other servers and get stomped, or lose everything because dead servers get repurposed.... either way it's win win for the little guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawOrange Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 In comparison to whiping everyone and everything, this is surely a good alternative. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to adhere to such a thing, I, however, wouldn't adhere to it. 10k bullets is far to much of a Grind for me in my opinion. I'd much prefer just paying taxes in Ingots. The whole concept though is a good idea. Giving some power to the small tribes over their progression and yet keeping them under control seems a happy medium versus just whiping months and months and months and months and months of progress and hours and hours and hours and hours and ten minutes of wasted time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, Dark2084 said: and once again i am sitting here wondering why anyone would play PvP if all they are going to do is make deals or suck up to everyone just to avoid being raided. the whole raid and be raided is the point of PvP and not being raided is PvE. also another thought... these servers where the bullie.... erumm "alpha" demmands your obedience/slavery/submission... well go to another server after a while they'll be the only ones left on the server essentially rendering it a dead server and they'll either get bored and quit, try raiding other servers and get stomped, or lose everything because dead servers get repurposed.... either way it's win win for the little guy. I think the majority of PvP players want to raid but not be raided by anyone stronger than them. You could go 100 servers not suck up to no-one and get wiped by 100 different tribes , or you can come to a safe server pay your taxes and build in peace , if you want to PvP you can go other servers and do as you please , and maybe if your cool and a good grinder you could end up getting recruited by the alpha or one of their allies , a two man tribe rebuilding on every server they go to is way more grind than making a few bullets each week. Eventually the small tribes get wiped one too many times and get bored and quit. That theory about dead servers died with server transfers , now a server is never dead always get new players always have someone to fight , a dead server is better for farming in the current meta , we can find PvP on the other 999 servere , plus we got our allies and like 30 tribe members to play with and do events and things like bare knuckle boxing , a few small tribes dont even make a difference on our server pop really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, RawOrange said: In comparison to whiping everyone and everything, this is surely a good alternative. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to adhere to such a thing, I, however, wouldn't adhere to it. 10k bullets is far to much of a Grind for me in my opinion. I'd much prefer just paying taxes in Ingots. The whole concept though is a good idea. Giving some power to the small tribes over their progression and yet keeping them under control seems a happy medium versus just whiping months and months and months and months and months of progress and hours and hours and hours and hours and ten minutes of wasted time. What would you consider a fair manageale payment ? How many ingots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawOrange Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, SmokeyB said: What would you consider a fair manageale payment ? How many ingots? For me personally, a casual player who's not necessarily on every single day but when I am I'm atleast on for hours at a time, maybe 4-5 days a week- including 2x weekends, id say id be willing to pay 5-6k in ingots a week. Or half the amount of bullets you proposed. Think as if your the king of a monarchy in a feudal system. In theory people are glad to pay taxes for your protection from others and invaders. If you tax way too much, or piss everyone off at the same time, and don't have the army (tribemates) to uphold your will, they will all gangbang you and wipe you out. As far as what the happy medium for taxes would be for your servers tribes, well, id gladly make suggestions but I'd need to join your server and scout everything out. Bigger tribes would in theory need to pay more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, RawOrange said: For me personally, a casual player who's not necessarily on every single day but when I am I'm atleast on for hours at a time, maybe 4-5 days a week- including 2x weekends, id say id be willing to pay 5-6k in ingots a week. Or half the amount of bullets you proposed. Think as if your the king of a monarchy in a feudal system. In theory people are glad to pay taxes for your protection from others and invaders. If you tax way too much, or piss everyone off at the same time, and don't have the army (tribemates) to uphold your will, they will all gangbang you and wipe you out. As far as what the happy medium for taxes would be for your servers tribes, well, id gladly make suggestions but I'd need to join your server and scout everything out. Bigger tribes would in theory need to pay more. But then you get everyone moaning that tribe A pays only 5k bullets and they have to pay 15k blah blah blah. Would cause too much complaining, set tax means everyone's equal, persecuting the richer tribes is too much like socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawOrange Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, SmokeyB said: But then you get everyone moaning that tribe A pays only 5k bullets and they have to pay 15k blah blah blah. Would cause too much complaining, set tax means everyone's equal, persecuting the richer tribes is too much like socialism. Then the bigger tribes who are in fact capable of wiping you out and want the throne will do so they can profit from whatever tax system they implement. Incorporating taxes is a save and a hinder. Unless your super strong.. of course. Taxes is great, but you change the way server politics works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, RawOrange said: Then the bigger tribes who are in fact capable of wiping you out and want the throne will do so they can profit from whatever tax system they implement. Incorporating taxes is a save and a hinder. Unless your super strong.. of course. Taxes is great, but you change the way server politics works. That's why the limit on soakers, they can't wipe us without tank dinos and the limit on turrets means that if they do get cocky we can wipe them in ten minutes. Anyone found breaking these rules will be wiped real quick as they are already showing that they can't follow rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawOrange Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, SmokeyB said: That's why the limit on soakers, they can't wipe us without tank dinos and the limit on turrets means that if they do get cocky we can wipe them in ten minutes. Anyone found breaking these rules will be wiped real quick as they are already showing that they can't follow rules. Are you currently the alpha on an official server, and considering implementing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onedudesmind Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 LOL just move servers , Alpha Tribes are a joke. You give a buncha kids a tiny bit of power and they go nutz with it. Buncha people with absolutely no real power in their lives, making pretend rules in a pretend world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 57 minutes ago, RawOrange said: Are you currently the alpha on an official server, and considering implementing this? Yeah but from this talk not many people seem interested, I would have thought small tribes would be jumping at the chance to not get wiped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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