natman Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I am a huge fan of cats in general and i love the sabertooth in ark. Now with the TLC pass the wolf got a beautiful new model and useful features. The sabertooth already had a tlc pass a while ago, but the only thing it really got was a new model (which looks great). So i know this is a biased opinion, but i feel like the sabertooth is a bit neglected. As a small and agile mammal it has a similar position in the game as the direwolf and the ravager from aberration, and they even share the same dragweight, so i thought i´d compare those three. Below i ranked them after their base stats (and % per level up if stats are same) naming the best one first, then second best and then worst. Health: Ravager, Direwolf, Sabertooth Stamina: Ravager, Direwolf, Sabertooth Weight: Ravager, Sabertooth, Direwolf Melee damage: Direwolf, Ravager, Sabertooth Movement speed: Sabertooth, Direwolf, Ravager Specials: Ravager and direwolf have the pack bonus. The ravager has weight reduction on a number of key resources and can climb on ziplines. The wolf got the new sniff abilities. Wolf has no saddle (but according to the ark wiki 40% damage reduction). So the sabertooth has nothing really. It is (not by much) the fastest of the three and collects chitin/cheratin/hide slightly better than the other two, but thats about it. Its stats are worse and it has no special abilities. Even the purlovia is better. Compared to the pack animals that direwolf and ravager are, i would think the sabertooth being a solitary creature would have better stats, but would be outperformed by a wolf/ravager with active pack bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkySpino Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 What would be great on the sabertooth better melee damages and the ability to jump on big preys and plant his canins in the flesh of it's victim for a certain time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demigod Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 would be cool to see the sabertooth have increased damage resistance/output against flyers, seeing that it’s a big cat. since it’s so fast and can jump so far, the sabertooth’s bite damage should be increased during mid-jump and should be scaled with how fast you are traveling during the jump. that would make people use the sabertooth much more frequently and would suit its role as a pouncing predator, not being outclassed in almost every way by the thyla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yig Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I would really like to see the sabertooth get something to make it stand out. Maybe some armor piercing on it's attack due to its long teeth. Armor piercing alone would end up making it the go to damage dealer out of the 3 of them when not in a pack. I could also see a sneaking ability which removes it's footstep noises and allows it to do a shortish range Thylo style pounce, stun, and damage effect (Pretty much exactly how the monsters pounced and damaged people in the game Evolve) but purely from the ground. Thylos would still have superior range on it and all their climbing aspects. It would put Saber in a good place. Wolf obviously has the whole pack thing and now the ability to track notes and weakened prey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeCPM4 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 While I generally agree that the sabertooth should have some special utility, keep in mind 1. Sabertooth has increased armor over a direwolf via its saddle 2. This was only TLC phase 1. I imagine they will in good time get to a lot of creatures. Phase 1, and the upcoming phase 2 only cover a small amount of creatures in the game. I like the suggestions demigod made about the saber getting a damage boost if it bites while jumping btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yster Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Baryonyx?? its got the same size hitbox.. For caves the Barry wins hands down.. as good as the wolfs/ravangers/wolfs are.. the Bary is still my fav.. you can breed eggs to hatch at once over a weekend.. where all the rest is a single baby from a female.. and gestation periods can't be done in advance. damages is higher. up to 5 times higher when solo. twice the HP.. swims and spins stun, no oxygen.. only drawback is that is doesnt eat meat.. only fishmeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrekasaurus Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 The Smilodon ("Sabertooth") could be made into a very useful mount. Ravagers and Direwolves are pack hunters and get the Pack Buff, so Smilodon should have higher base-stats than both. Its niche ability could be a damage increase against large/medium-sized mammals. This would nicely compliment its affinity for gathering pelt. Big cats are notoriously vicious when it comes to defending their food, so maybe make Prime meat decay slower in its inventory? This would be a nice nod to the aforementioned tendency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natman Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 10 hours ago, Yster said: Baryonyx?? its got the same size hitbox.. For caves the Barry wins hands down.. as good as the wolfs/ravangers/wolfs are.. the Bary is still my fav.. you can breed eggs to hatch at once over a weekend.. where all the rest is a single baby from a female.. and gestation periods can't be done in advance. damages is higher. up to 5 times higher when solo. twice the HP.. swims and spins stun, no oxygen.. only drawback is that is doesnt eat meat.. only fishmeat. Oh you´re right! Totally forgot about that guy. Has a drag weight of 120 like wolf, saber and ravager and outclasses all 3 of them, except the ravager in weight. also important to mention: requiring bronto kibble the saber has the hardest kibble of the abovementioned creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirPeter Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, natman said: requiring bronto kibble the saber has the hardest kibble of the abovementioned creatures For now who knows if there will be a kibble rework in our lifetime haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natman Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, SirPeter said: For now who knows if there will be a kibble rework in our lifetime haha. Yeah, looking forward to that. Seeing how well they do on the tlc passes so far i still have hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natman Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 I love the ideas you all posted. Higher base stats (at least health and melee), increased prime meat spoil timer and some kind of jump attack would be a dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascendant Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 The saber is one of my favorite tames in ark, and I'd love to see some changes and/or new abilities to make them better. Right now they're only useful when you're first starting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brayn Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Before the original mega dino nerf, Sabers were gods. My level 60 raw meat tame in a pirmitive saddle could kill anything on the map short of an alpha rex or giga... Alpha Rex finally killed it, but it was close! After the dino nerf, they're pretty useless. Thylas act like the original saber used to act and it can climb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsman Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Looks: Sabertooth, Direwolf, Ravager, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidcostarica Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 The Smilodon ("Sabertooth") could be made into a very useful mount. Ravagers and Direwolves are pack hunters and get the Pack Buff, so Smilodon should have higher base-stats than both. Its niche ability could be a damage increase against large/medium-sized mammals. This would nicely compliment its affinity for gathering pelt. Big cats are notoriously vicious when it comes to defending their food, so maybe make Prime meat decay slower in its inventory? This would be a nice nod to the aforementioned tendency.Is it smilodon? I think smilo had short tail. Stronger face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzamaniac Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, davidcostarica said: On 2/13/2018 at 3:28 AM, Shrekasaurus said: The Smilodon ("Sabertooth") could be made into a very useful mount. Ravagers and Direwolves are pack hunters and get the Pack Buff, so Smilodon should have higher base-stats than both. Its niche ability could be a damage increase against large/medium-sized mammals. This would nicely compliment its affinity for gathering pelt. Big cats are notoriously vicious when it comes to defending their food, so maybe make Prime meat decay slower in its inventory? This would be a nice nod to the aforementioned tendency. Is it smilodon? I think smilo had short tail. Stronger face The dossier refers to them as smilodon brutalis. These arent exact replicas of the real deal, as per lore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabele Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I think having the saber have increased damage from certain angles could be interesting as well. I know many modern big cats stalk and go for the neck/back, so maybe it does 1.5 or 2x damage if it gets hits on those sections? gives a bit more strategy to the Dino face offs we have in the gam currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaskur Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Out of these ones, the Ravager is my new Favorite... Sabertooth is just trash.. not even worth taming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufiosghost Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I'd use it a lot more if it had mild camouflage/stealth ability and a targeted jump attack. Basically, the ability to stalk prey and unleash one powerful surprise attack, like a real cat would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidcostarica Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/14/2018 at 8:53 AM, Wazzamaniac said: The dossier refers to them as smilodon brutalis. These arent exact replicas of the real deal, as per lore ty for clarification, i got all my smilodon knowledge from ice age lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekrucifixion187 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I love the sneak and pounce attack idea, as well as an armor piercing ability due to its long fangs. I think base wise, it should at the very least equal the Direwolf in attack damage (33) and not be 80 base hp below the wolf either. I am kind of removing the Ravager from this equation. It's a work of a malfunctioning program so who knows where it drew its inspiration from? I think at very least sabers new base stats should be 300 hp, 275 stam, 150 oxy, 1200 food, 33 bite damage/35 swipe attack, 200 weight, 132 tamed speed Saber shouldn't be as far below wolf's hp as it is so bump it up though I still think it should be below the wolf. Should have higher stamina than a wolf. Oxy and food are throw away's. Same bite damage as wolf but with an armor degradation ability An added swipe attack, I mean it's a cat. A stun/pinning pounce attack. Reduced fall damage (think this was actually added), Maintain weight (think wolf's should actually be raised) Maintain higher speed. I think the slight add on's and upgraded stats will bring the solo saber up to par with the pack wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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