LouSpowells Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Solo on a PvP server can be fun, but you're extremely limited in playstyles and activities. You don't get to raid like other tribes, and you don't get to defend like other tribes. Most of your PvP will come from hunting people down and taking their stuff. The upside is, the trollier your base is, the better. If I'm rolling solo, I usually have 5-6 "bases," and one hidey-hole. Most of the "bases" are just elaborate booby traps made to farm weapons and armor. Spike pits, aggressive frog rooms, arthros, dimos...great stuff to have in a place like that...but doing any of that on official servers would be a HUGE pain due to the grind. If you're looking to solo-PvP, your best bet is finding a higher-rate unofficial server. That can be a whole lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crows Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 30 minutes ago, LouSpowells said: but doing any of that on official servers would be a HUGE pain due to the grind. Indeed... all of that you mentioned is what I love about Ark PvP, but it's not at all "realistic" to pull off on official due to the immense grind, like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroJob Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 8 hours ago, SmokeyB said: It depends what you count as winning, if a tribe attacks me they will lose more tames and stuff than me over the next few days, so technically they will take more losses but my small Base will still get wiped. Mega tribes don't waste time attacking solo players, they target alphas and other mega tribes, most would rather have a few solo players on the map to keep the server active What a load of crap! Most alphas WIPE THE WHOLE raptorING SERVER!! Regardless of how many in your tribe. They will rock up with 70+ players, hold all the slots while the wipe everything usually on a weekly basis once they get really bored and have nothing better to do. And to those saying make a 2v1 base and stay hidden LOL!!! Any good player on recon has his settings to low so they can see your base before anything else renders in..... this game is such a joke, there are so many options to making the game fun for solo players in a open pvp environment, but it looks like the devs are hell bent on making the game impossible for solo players and want to drive them off official servers. Proven by the fact they keep implementing mechanics that make it even easier for the bullly to remain the bully. So much for rock paper scissors, its just alpha has all the toys, anybody else is just fodder - no point in even playing - great game strat devs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouSpowells Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, BroJob said: What a load of crap! Most alphas WIPE THE WHOLE raptorING SERVER!! Regardless of how many in your tribe. They will rock up with 70+ players, hold all the slots while the wipe everything usually on a weekly basis once they get really bored and have nothing better to do. And to those saying make a 2v1 base and stay hidden LOL!!! Any good player on recon has his settings to low so they can see your base before anything else renders in..... this game is such a joke, there are so many options to making the game fun for solo players in a open pvp environment, but it looks like the devs are hell bent on making the game impossible for solo players and want to drive them off official servers. Proven by the fact they keep implementing mechanics that make it even easier for the bullly to remain the bully. So much for rock paper scissors, its just alpha has all the toys, anybody else is just fodder - no point in even playing - great game strat devs! The game isn't impossible for solo players...it's just exponentially harder. As well it should be. There is no reasonable justification for the devs to tune an online multiplayer game around the success of a solo player. It's not going to be easy and that's the point of it, at least as far as my experience goes. You roll solo for the challenge and the lulz, not because you think you'll succeed. Ultimately, if you want to take on the world bare-knuckled and shirtless, that's on you...but in a multiplayer game you're going to be at a devastating disadvantage. A fun one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm81 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 18 hours ago, natman said: well, we both cant tell what will happen in the future, and i admit that there of course might be some cases where a small tribe can avoid being wiped, but i think the overall picture is how i stated it. I just need to look at the game mechanics to know that what i wrote is the typical developement of things under these conditions Everyone gets wiped in Ark even alphas. But I have lived the exception to your rule. I have been the smaller tribe and won vs larger ones. Key Tips: Even small tribes should have several small bases on several servers. Don't join low pop servers they are usually low pop for a reason (Join med pop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natman Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 hours ago, johnm81 said: I have lived the exception to your rule. I have been the smaller tribe and won vs larger ones. "smaller" and "larger" are very vague terms. i speak about small tribes (less than 10 members) against really big tribes and, as i said, there might of course be exceptions. But what really interests me is if u (and others) think "my rule" is true overall/in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo1234 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 On 10/11/2017 at 10:48 AM, Deathwaits said: I would have to disagree. I am also seeing some conflicting statements in your post. You complain about pvp when it affects you, but then claim by joining a big tribe it turns the game into a pve game. So if that is the case then those big tribes aren't raiding if you think it is a pve only game once you join one. Honestly though, there are plenty of ways to play this game and have fun as a single player or even a small tribe. Yes you will be killed and even wiped from time to time, but guess what even those big tribes run into that issue... it might happen less for them, but it does still happen. That is the nature of this game. If you think they are only going to wipe you while you are offline then you could join one of the ORP servers that are out there. Sure, it has it's own drawbacks, but it means you will always be online when a raid happens. The thing is PVP will happen on a PVP server. So I am not sure why people get so surprised when it does. Nothing is save EVER. You know that going in and you also know that all the time invested in gathering and building can be wasted in the event you are wiped. That is just how this game is designed. You seem opposed to forming alliances, so I am just assuming you want to hide in the shadows and raid people. That is fine and is also a fun way to play the game, but don't be upset when you are discovered and killed as others will be looking to do the same thing and some of those tribes will have much better resources as their disposal. In the end you just need to enjoy playing the game. Building up a big base is fun, taming dinos and romping around on them is fun, getting wiped can be discouraging, but the journey to rebuild is fun again. This is a great post. Everyone gets wiped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifakingz2580 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Play on a unofficial server?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalMayhem310 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 9:05 PM, Crows said: I strongly advise you to not bother even playing on any official PvP server as a solo player/small tribe. Just don't bother. Save yourself the time and energy. There's too much grinding and effort involved. Ark's focus is extremely heavy on big tribes when it comes to almost everything. You can waste a week building "hidden" even on a huge map like Ragnarok, playing smartly, farming all of that metal to smelt it simultaneously in a few forges while risking yourself and your tame (if you have tamed anything by then) to farm the rare resources to make a fab, generator, cables, outlet, gasoline, turrets and then ammo, after spending maybe 15+ hours in that 1 day just farming and then the alpha/local tribes of the server will find your base while you're offline (it's always while you're offline), soak your turrets and wipe you for everything you've got, leaving you back at square one and then you can either join the big tribes and PvE (tame, raise dinos, build, help allies out, do boss battles, caves, bla bla) or stay solo/small and question why you're even playing Ark because as a solo/small tribe, you're going nowhere. If you do get anywhere, you're lucky/are great friends with the alpha. That is all. do you communicate with people? probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm81 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 6 hours ago, natman said: "smaller" and "larger" are very vague terms. i speak about small tribes (less than 10 members) against really big tribes and, as i said, there might of course be exceptions. But what really interests me is if u (and others) think "my rule" is true overall/in most cases. Ark is a big game. And it has many different meta styles of being played. If you play standard meta with small base, some dinos, slowly build kibble chain... Then yes 'most' of the time you will lose to a much larger tribe. If you build griefer build strat then you will win far more than lose 'most' of the time. Its just a lot of people hate the griefer build strat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancor Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I actually have more fun solo or small tribe. I get bored from the lack of excitement in mega tribes etc. Even though I am in a large tribe now... Guess it depends on if you want survivability or you want fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicenemy Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I enjoy the challenge of being in a small tribe and not allied with the alpha. I was able to build a metal base with about 6 turrets and 50 plants before I was discovered. The alpha came and destroyed everything. I replaced the structure, but they come back everyday.Now I just put stuff in there just to make them go in and destroy it, wasting everyone's time lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzibit Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Long time was alone or with 1 teammate. Make small bases in different places on map. Once allow a group of players to connect to tribe, but were betrayed. Since that have tribe of two and not huge but pretty big base. All came with experience. For example 4 months ago i`d never make such base but now i understand that its possible even for 1 man tribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielhollo Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I wipe bobs. To have enough room during 2x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desijatt Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I wipe bobs. To have enough room during 2xBobs burgers from 195? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira11622 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 No amount of tribe size or alliance restriction will save you or your server when 50+ people from a mega tribe show up to wipe the server. Even if the mega tribe were broken down into 5, 10 man tribes. Quite simply, the ability to bring vast amounts of tames (gigas, griffens, quetzals, bullet soaks) and resources (c4, rockets, high level gear) into a server over a short amount of time is an insurmountable advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroJob Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Akira11622 said: No amount of tribe size or alliance restriction will save you or your server when 50+ people from a mega tribe show up to wipe the server. Even if the mega tribe were broken down into 5, 10 man tribes. Quite simply, the ability to bring vast amounts of tames (gigas, griffens, quetzals, bullet soaks) and resources (c4, rockets, high level gear) into a server over a short amount of time is an insurmountable advantage. Agreed, it was the server transfers that really soured the ARK experience for me. First it was zerging Chinese which united a single server against the invaders but it soon became apparent that resistance was futile. What did the devs learn from this? They rolled it back and then re-implemented it leading to the alpha zerg fest we have now. Again resistance is futile so whats the point in playing! Game was so much more fun when it was just server politics and a server (if annoyed enough with an alpha could group together to take him down). What we have now...... did I mention resistance is futile...... (they will ddos you off the server, lock all 70 slots on your server and proceed to wipe all your hard work with no challenge at all). HOW CAN THE DEVS NOT SEE HOW BROKEN THIS IS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfectionPromoter Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 It's kinda that way in all PVP survival games. Whoever has the most time or most people almost always auto-wins. It would be nice if there was some unique game dynamics that would allow for multiple groups to compete, rather than 1 group owning a server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustrider Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 3 hours ago, BroJob said: Again resistance is futile so whats the point in playing It's the journey that counts not the destination. Everything comes to an end eventually. It took me a long time to realize that everything you tame and build on a PVP server will eventually disappear. Even alpha tribes come and go. Just have fun playing the game. If you are playing for maximum longevity then a private server or PVE might better suit your tastes. If you like the thrill of PVP then just go in with the expectation that everything is expendable. You get wiped? Rebuild and become stronger, recruit others and get better. But know it will all come to an end eventually, so just have fun along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouSpowells Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 3 hours ago, BroJob said: Agreed, it was the server transfers that really soured the ARK experience for me. First it was zerging Chinese which united a single server against the invaders but it soon became apparent that resistance was futile. What did the devs learn from this? They rolled it back and then re-implemented it leading to the alpha zerg fest we have now. Again resistance is futile so whats the point in playing! Game was so much more fun when it was just server politics and a server (if annoyed enough with an alpha could group together to take him down). What we have now...... did I mention resistance is futile...... (they will ddos you off the server, lock all 70 slots on your server and proceed to wipe all your hard work with no challenge at all). HOW CAN THE DEVS NOT SEE HOW BROKEN THIS IS! I wouldn't necessarily call it broken, it's a natural mechanic of a survival game with tribal wars. For something to be "broken," one must assume there is a fix, and I don't see much of a fix to what you're describing. If you're getting killed by a tribe of 50 players and Wildcard reduced the tribe limit to 10 players, 5 allied tribes would kill you. Everyone in the game has the same chances of survival, what they do with those chances is up to them. That said, I too had an issue with the unregulated nature of Official servers. I still play on them occasionally, but my gaming experience has vastly improved since I moved to unofficial servers. Moving to better regulated servers with active admins meant a lot of the stuff that bothered me about officials was no longer an issue. Sure, I could have begged Wildcard to change the official experience to better match my expectations, but it seemed kind of pointless to do that...at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alduroth1984 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I play small/solo all the time, numbers doesn't always mean, "Winning", you just have to be smarter and choose more, "Off the beaten path", spots for your base, ohh and don't poke any wasp nests and you'll be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurvivedTheArkv2 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I've been playing solo for a few months now and have been wiped repeatedly and had all my dinos slaughtered but you learn from all of that. My best advice I can give to a solo player is tame up as many purlovia as you can, even the lowest of levels are useful as hidden storage. If you can't get ahold of a purlovia the second best hidden storage option would be hiding small storage boxes in your foundations. I do this on all my bases and it works everytime. Just make sure you use the middle foundations incase the outer ones are blown up in a raid. Hiding storage chests in the sea beneath coral reef is always a safe bet too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidcostarica Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Play apocalypse maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardling Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 You just gotta realize people are going to be a jerk pretty much no matter what you do. I once left my tames on passive and my base empty with doors open and a larger tribe still wiped me down to the foundation. Those dodos and dung beetles were a real threat apparently. It sucks too because I just like farming/growing stuff/trading but I never really get to do it. I would do PvE but space is always locked down by pillars. That and people on PvE never lose anything so they don't really ever need to trade. I've tried to barter/plead my case that I just want to trade but it never works. People just wipe you for kicks. It's truly not fun. I left official servers for unofficial and have never looked back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank352 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I play on official pvp and it's a grind, but it always so fulfilling when you reach a goal that you've been grinding for a while. It's only three of us in my tribe, and we have been raided twice. Luckily, we managed to salvage a male and a female rex, so we're just breeding so we can finally get tek tier items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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