Culex Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I have to create a Metal Platform and crop plots. Is it better to throw out the stone in the anky and gather the metal only then using the Doedicurus? This assumes a Quetz. Part of the issue in our small tribe is we starve for certain resources because no one is collecting them, such as flint to make bullets. So someone has to grind it out. However for example if I'm doing a meat run, I'm also gathering hide for someone else. My question is it more efficient to use multi-gatherer's and keep a really small footprint especially in small tribes? Maybe Therizino, Anky, Quetz, instead of Beaver, 3x Doedicurus, 2xGiga, 3x DireBear, 2xMegaloceros, 2xQuetz, you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorCupcake Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Honestly id have the large group based on gathering efficiency. Thatch - 5 min on an Elk vs 30 on an anky and u can never have too many quetz lol 2 man tribe here - i think its based on location and multitasking. When i do a metal run, id bring the quetz - on the platform was a couple mortar and pestles... dump the metal in quetz, convert flint & stone at the same time.. worked well for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X111 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Ppl might not agree but in our 4 man tribe we've found that the only dinos we use are mammoth, sloth, doedec (soon to be Golem) anky, quetz, wyvern (used to be Rex) and chainsaw. All fulfil multiple roles and we can gather a minimum of 2k resources in 1 run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoosty Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Well if you are gathering metal on a doedicurus, you're in for a very long day. I assume you mean an ankylo? Either way, I'd say that if you're short on a resource (like flint) then you should keep whatever you find. In terms of what dinos, long term youll find yiu can get by with something like 1-2 theriz, a beaver, a dody, an anky, a rex, giga, or wyvern (whatever you use to gathee meat), maybe a mammoth... Quetzal is always great to have and to keep spares. I like to kerp a few specialty mounts like a good thyla and bary, plus a phiomia and a few dung beetles, for the garden. The only reason you need a ton of dinos is for kibble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necc Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Culex said: I have to create a Metal Platform and crop plots. Is it better to throw out the stone in the anky and gather the metal only then using the Doedicurus? This assumes a Quetz. Part of the issue in our small tribe is we starve for certain resources because no one is collecting them, such as flint to make bullets. So someone has to grind it out. However for example if I'm doing a meat run, I'm also gathering hide for someone else. My question is it more efficient to use multi-gatherer's and keep a really small footprint especially in small tribes? Maybe Therizino, Anky, Quetz, instead of Beaver, 3x Doedicurus, 2xGiga, 3x DireBear, 2xMegaloceros, 2xQuetz, you get the idea. Efficiency quite varies on the played map, your location, and i assume game mode too (in PvE you don't have to worry your tame's health that much, for example). In general, Anky for metal and doedi for stone is a great, both has a 75% weight reduction if kept in their inventory, disadvantage is that you need to grind the same resources, depending if you want metal or stone. Stone can be gathered from non-metal resources, the quantity however will not be that great. For wood, berries, fiber, hide, chitin and meat a therizino is a great multitool. For thatch and flint, you can just use an industrial grinder. This is the most smallest footprint i have in my mind, but again depending on the played map and location, other dinos as tools might be essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowletAlex Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah, the only harvesters I have ever really needed were my therizinos, an anky, a doed, a moose, a Rex (for primes & hide) and I also keep one megatherium (even a low-ish level one leveled mainly in Melee will make any chitin problems nonexistent after a trip to the swamp) I also keep various other Dino's for various reasons (tapejara for taming Quetz, diplo for moving stray neutral Dino's that were too close to any structure they can break) but for gathering purposes, those Dino's are all you will need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripling Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Imo the bare minimum for max eff. would be 2x theri, 1x anky, 1x doed, 1x megathrium, 1x Quetz or weight wyv, if no wyv 1x moose, 1x beaver or thorny, 2x pteras, 1x angler (unless you are on SE), and 1x wolf or saber, if you want to go cave diving. Max mining eff. on a doed and an anky stops at 400melee. Anything more than that just insures that you one hit the node. Materials can easily be gathered using outposts and transported to other places. If you are lucky enough to have an outpost where all heavy materials can be mined in one place than you can refine them and craft right there to reduce weight. I always keep a fab and mortar and pestle on my mining quetz platform to reduce weight. Depending on your mining strategy the anky's weight does not matter. I carry mine with someone mounted on it to mine the materials, which allows me to mine more than the anky's carry weight and get the weight reduction to transport more with the quetz or wyvern. Theri's are probably one of the best tames in game. If you have two of them and you make them harvesting specialists you can gather all the food you will ever need. They also provide pretty much any resource that isn't an ore or mineral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanAndDaddy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 We use rex/giga for meat and hide, Wyvern for meat, cactus, and thatch, general transportation, and milk, Mammoth and beaver for wood, bronto for thatch and berries, Ankylo for metal and flint... have a megatherium follow to store obsidian and crystal... if on a quetz we may or may not dump crystal/obsidian depending on our needs, Rock Golem for stone/wood, megatherium for fiber and berries, Mantis for sulfer, crystal, and obsidian, otters jerboas and shoulder monkeys for cuteness, wolves, thylas, hyenadons, and carnos for caves, quetzs for transportation across the map of large numbers of dinos or for dinos the wyvern cannot carry. A lot of it comes down to what is easiest and what we have available at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culex Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Its a PVP Server, I didnt think about the Industrial Grinder for thatch and flint, will have to build one and try it out. The problem as I see it is someone sits on the anky, throws out the stone and fills only metal, then another guy will grind the flint throw out the stone, then make the third person sit on the Doedicurus. Sure anky is inefficient for collecting stone only, but now I get to make bullets and grenades with the flint collected. delayed versus instant gratification. I would think it probably doesn't matter in a big tribe, but for a tribe of basically 2 hardcore players have to be as efficient as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanAndDaddy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think a big consideration, too, is how far away the resources are... If you have to travel for metal and stone is near you dump the stone when you go get metal. If they are both close then keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionQueen Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 We're a small tribe of three but we like to think big!! We tag team everything every chance we get. If we need flint we grab a ank and the q and hit only stone nodes and throw out the stone. If we do a metal run we throw out all the stone and flint. Same with wood, thatch, meat, hide, ect. When we do meat runs we have someone on the giga fill it up and a flyer to grab it and take it to base over and over till everything is filled that needs to be. Its the best way to farm really. In two days of metal runs we have more then 4 vaults full. Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belboz99 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 The main issue with stone on the anky is having to stop and unload the stone... where do you put it? If you have to go back to base, or if you're limiting the amount of metal you can farm per-run, that's an issue. If instead you're running out of metal nodes and still have weight, then it's not. One thing to cut the weight down is have a doed following the anky... Unload all stone directly into the doed... if you stand between them you can overburden yourself and transfer more in one go. Obviously pump weight on anky, doed, and yourself to an extent. With the anky metal weighs 1/4 as much as it would on the Q... You could carry 4x the metal theoretically if your anky's max weight was the same as the Q's. You can overburden the anky too, by dumping more metal back into it if you've unloaded some out into the Q while farming. Point is, no matter how you slice it, having higher weight on the Anky is key to reducing the number of stops, the number of unloads, the number of return trips back to the forge, and thus ultimately increasing the amount of time for other things. If your doed has high weight, it should be able to carry all the stone an Anky gathers during 1 run... If it doesn't, there's always a 2nd doed. Even 2 full doeds would still weigh 1/2 as much as one Doed of stone on the Q or Anky. Other tips for boosting efficiency... If you're on PVE, you can leave forges outdoors. Not very experienced in PVP, but having a window access into the base for unloading metal is one thing I would expect to be useful. Main thing is that having to actually bring in the anky, navigate it inside the base, etc, just to unload costs time... The more you can do without having to open gates and such the better. Another option if you really find yourself stone-heavy at the end of a metal run... Pre-load your doed or Q with wood and thatch before you head out... Then as you farm stone, you can craft on-the-fly into building parts, walls, foundations, ceilings, etc... These all weigh just 4lbs. So, a Stone foundation for example costs 80 stone, 80lbs gets turned into 4lbs using 40lbs of wood that you brought with. If you really want to craft a lot, bring along a theriz or beaver and add more wood or thatch as needed to continue consuming the stone in building parts as you farm it. A stone dinosaur gateway costs 280 stone, and weighs just 4lbs... If you really just want the stone for grinding into flint or such, it may be better to craft into these and then grind them than dump onto the ground. A pre-loaded beaver could craft the behemoths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culex Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 20 hours ago, Cripling said: Theri's are probably one of the best tames in game. If you have two of them and you make them harvesting specialists you can gather all the food you will ever need. They also provide pretty much any resource that isn't an ore or mineral. I absolutely love my theri. Totally solo tamed a level 145 for 5 hours in a trap in front of my treehouse while watching netflix. I'm trying to find a way to breed them and use them for boss battles instead of Rex's and hatch using berry instead of meat farming. 11 hours ago, NathanAndDaddy said: I think a big consideration, too, is how far away the resources are... If you have to travel for metal and stone is near you dump the stone when you go get metal. If they are both close then keep it. The resources are literally outside our treehouse so its a big bonus. 9 hours ago, ScorpionQueen said: We're a small tribe of three but we like to think big!! We tag team everything every chance we get. If we need flint we grab a ank and the q and hit only stone nodes and throw out the stone. If we do a metal run we throw out all the stone and flint. Same with wood, thatch, meat, hide, ect. When we do meat runs we have someone on the giga fill it up and a flyer to grab it and take it to base over and over till everything is filled that needs to be. Its the best way to farm really. In two days of metal runs we have more then 4 vaults full. Hope this helps With my experience it's never been a "we" but more of "coinciding goals." Ill hit the ankylo, someone else brings in pearls, we build an industrial forge. Everyone wants "their" base with "their" dinos expecting PVE on PVP and half the tribe quits when wiped twice a week because can't quite grasp turrets. I never chose PVE because you can't own and defend biomes much less servers. We're running into a maintenance problem. Filling 4 industrial grills by myself with 2 gigas every day while only maybe 7% of dinos are actually used. Dinos get fed when gigas starve. Fertilizer gets replaced when crop plots break. Generators get refilled when turrets turn off. I think I settled on the Anky, Therizino, Doedicurus, and Quetz. Seems to cover all bases with a minimal approach. If I really had too I'd drop the Doed. It's kind of like the game forces you into a kibble farm. Next time I think want to just live out of a horse and 2x2 with fab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan1602 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 The way my tribe works is absolute perfect in my opinion. We have 2 people doing the metal run (1 on Quetzal 1 on Anky) whilst on the metal run they will gather all the metal possible obviously, but they would also hit stone rocks for the flint. All of the stone would be dropped to save weight. Then 1 person on a Doedicurus with a Rex set to follow on neutral as protection, this person would gather all of the stone (Our Doedicurus can carry roughly 60 stacks). Once both of these runs are done, 1 person flies on a Pteranodon to get pearls (Unless you have an angler) and beaver dams for cement paste. 1 person flies on an Argy to get Obsidian. 1 person goes on a meat and hide run on a rex. Therefore we have every resource we need. For wood we use 2 Therazinosaurs and 1 Quetzal. 1 person flies the quetzal back and forth from the Therazs to the Industrial forge, 1 person stays with the Therazs and fills them up with wood. Thatch we walk around on a Bronto smashing up forests and gathering mass berries at the same time which can be used to make your Narcotics-Medical brews. All of this is achievable by 3 people. 3 different runs, everyone has their specific jobs. In 3 runs we have every single resource you can ever need to build turrets, bullets, buildings, consumables, anything really. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morx Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 For metal runs I can advise to bring at least two anky's. One with a very high melee and one (or more) with a lot of weight. This is especially effective when you have limited metal nodes in the area. The anky with high melee will gather so much more metal that it's well worth the effort of having to empty the metal into the weight anky after hitting a metal node. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizabethgoldenflower Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 When I was on official we had a quetz with generator, fridges and grill following a giga and able to farm lots of meat. Not sure how well this works now as haven't played official in over a year. When we first started had a paraser with same setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan1602 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Morx said: For metal runs I can advise to bring at least two anky's. One with a very high melee and one (or more) with a lot of weight. This is especially effective when you have limited metal nodes in the area. The anky with high melee will gather so much more metal that it's well worth the effort of having to empty the metal into the weight anky after hitting a metal node. Take an Anky on a Quetzal and you don't have to worry about weight at all as the Anky can be carried by the Quetzal making the weight stat on the Anky irrelevant. So you can gather endlessly depending on the weight of your Quetzal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racidon Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Grinder can be placed on a quetz platform, so that could be a solution for you, however make sure you have it enclosed in a structure, possibly a window frame next to the anky? As for other resources, I notice people say to use the deer all the time for thatch, a theri can gather an immense amount of thatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan1602 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 10 hours ago, Racidon said: Grinder can be placed on a quetz platform, so that could be a solution for you, however make sure you have it enclosed in a structure, possibly a window frame next to the anky? As for other resources, I notice people say to use the deer all the time for thatch, a theri can gather an immense amount of thatch Possibly but that is an expensive item that could be lost if your quetzal gets killed. I personally wouldn't run the risk on PVP. I've heard the same about the deer but I don't know if I have the worlds worst deer ever but mine just don't collect nearly enough. My bronto collects more in 1 tree that the deer does in 5-6... But it could just be my deer so don't hold me to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzibit Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Someone build interesting platforms on Quetz that it can carry 2 Anky on both sides. But in this case Anky gets everything - iron, stone, etc.. and surely the only limitng factor is weigth of Quetz. I got main base far from iron but also build the little one with industrial forge near it. So i can made metall and then carry it on the main base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornedfrog85 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Why make it complicated have a anky for metal, obsidian, crystal,flint use a quetz if you make a ramp you can farm solo with it easy enough, only dump stone, mammoth for wood 75% weight reduction on it is insane deod for stone, a grinder is easy xp and thatch but grinding stone is 2 stone per flint so it wont get you far doing it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racidon Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 13 hours ago, Dylan1602 said: Possibly but that is an expensive item that could be lost if your quetzal gets killed. I personally wouldn't run the risk on PVP. I've heard the same about the deer but I don't know if I have the worlds worst deer ever but mine just don't collect nearly enough. My bronto collects more in 1 tree that the deer does in 5-6... But it could just be my deer so don't hold me to that Totally agree, only said it would be efficient not smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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