SE and the Phoenix. Location discussion.

[Ocicat]

So just had a super heat hit 752 and try as I might I was unable to locate the phoenix. No one else could confirm a sighting of the little bugger either (or they're keeping quiet). With how short the heatwave seems to be trying to track down this little guy is going to be quite difficult. If anyone has any luck finding one, post a screen shot and a location

[LameoveR]

I've read this http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/0/1473095965302363344/

and i think it's not worth it to even locate this thing...

 

[Ocicat]

1 minute ago, LameoveR said:

I've read this http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/0/1473095965302363344/

and i think it's not worth it to even locate this thing...

 

Just read that myself lol. Doesn't matter, still want the little guy, if nothing else than to say I've tamed one. 

[JetJaguar]

2 minutes ago, LameoveR said:

I've read this http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/0/1473095965302363344/

and i think it's not worth it to even locate this thing...

 

Wow..jesus

[DragonEnchantress]

That linked thread is so inaccurate it's crazy. Even down to the point where they call it a reskinned bat. Its a remake of the argy, it's body size is the same and the hovering animation is a dead giveaway. Its not slow at all, if you hold space it is confirmed to be faster than a wyvern (cuz we science new mounts lol) I didn't see anything terrible about it's stats, anything more than the other flyers that were hit with a nerf. All the stuff they complained about looks like it comes from someone that hasn't even looked at one themselves.

As for spawn location, it's still too early to tell isn't it?

[ciabattaroll]

2 hours ago, LameoveR said:

I've read this http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/0/1473095965302363344/

and i think it's not worth it to even locate this thing...

 

The OP of that thread's clearly crying about things without even trying it, evidenced by not knowing that the phoenix is even rideable. Anyway, here's some information about the phoenix

1) It is rideable.

2) It works as a campfire and a forge, meaning it will cook meat and refine metal/oil+hide into ingots/gasoline.

3) Its primary attack inflicts burning damage, its secondary attack is a projectile, and its tertiary attack can be used to harvest basically any resource.

4) It has a boost flight activated by pressing space (default settings).

5) It poops pearls.

6) By design, it does not land nor does it need to land. If you wish to regenerate your stamina all you need to do is stop moving. You do not even need to dismount for the phoenix to begin regaining stamina.

[PuffyPony]

3 minutes ago, DragonEnchantress said:

That linked thread is so inaccurate it's crazy. Even down to the point where they call it a reskinned bat. Its a remake of the argy, it's body size is the same and the hovering animation is a dead giveaway. Its not slow at all, if you hold space it is confirmed to be faster than a wyvern (cuz we science new mounts lol) I didn't see anything terrible about it's stats, anything more than the other flyers that were hit with a nerf. All the stuff they complained about looks like it comes from someone that hasn't even looked at one themselves.

As for spawn location, it's still too early to tell isn't it?

I've been trying to get some info about the base stats on a level 1  Mind helping?

But one guy said he found one near the World Scar. I assume that it can spawn fairly ubiquitously, but don't take my word for it because I haven't actually messed around with it yet

[Garick]

This animal WAS supposed to be shoulder mounted. Not ridable, I personally wish it would return to being shoulder mounted where it would be fine as it is without the crying of "It cannot carry anything, it is slow."

The thing is VERY useful, its a shoulder mounted flame thrower. It can cook meat instantly even prime, it smelts ore, makes gas, poops pearls.. what more do you want? Oh right, a god animal that when you tame lets you own the server... right forgot about that.

 

Now. If it WERE still shoulder mountable.  It could ride with you while you ride on a horse (Mortar and pestle) While your beaver follows you (smithy) and then you've got the makings of a cool one man nomad tribe or a way to hide out and have many useful tools that were once stationary and unmovable.

[LameoveR]

1 hour ago, ciabattaroll said:

1) It is rideable.

2) It works as a campfire and a forge, meaning it will cook meat and refine metal/oil+hide into ingots/gasoline.

3) Its primary attack inflicts burning damage, its secondary attack is a projectile, and its tertiary attack can be used to harvest basically any resource.

All those things neglected by VERY LOW WEIGHT and it's rarity - 1 phoenix\server.

 

[Garick]

6 minutes ago, LameoveR said:

All those things neglected by VERY LOW WEIGHT and it's rarity - 1 phoenix\server.

 

 

It was not designed to be a ridable bird. Reflected by its original Dossier. Which is why its stats are as they are, sadly it could have been the BEST shoulder mounted animal but people crying for a god of death and doall ruined it.

[ciabattaroll]

1 minute ago, LameoveR said:

All those things neglected by VERY LOW WEIGHT and it's rarity - 1 phoenix\server.

In my opinion, the low weight is to offset said moving campfire/forge capabilities. Lets face it, stopping out in the wild to cook something leaves you vulnerable. Having your campfire or grill or forge back at your base means that you spend time ferrying that meat/metal back first rather than being able to do so in transit. You can do these things by having a platform paracer/bronto/quetz, but none of them do this by default and instead have to have the objects required to do this placed on them. Furthermore none of them have the same speed that the phoenix does when the latter is on its boost mode. To that end something needed to be done to balance the capabilities native to the phoenix. Now, whether things stay this way depends on whether or not Wildcard deems it necessary to do any rebalancing to the phoenix now that it's in the hands of a greater audience.

As for the rarity, again I believe this is due to its very useful utilities. You will never go hungry on a phoenix as you will always have cooked meat to feast on so long as you kill creatures. You would not need to dismount it to harvest a node (something that Argent riders know all too well), and it functions as said campfire/forge without ever needing a saddle. Not even the beaver/thorny or the equus could make use of their special functions without a saddle. You can also stay aloft indefinitely due to its means of stamina regeneration.

[LameoveR]

8 minutes ago, Garick said:

 

It was not designed to be a ridable bird. Reflected by its original Dossier. Which is why its stats are as they are, sadly it could have been the BEST shoulder mounted animal but people crying for a god of death and doall ruined it.

So what?

If

1) it's ridable

2) It works as a campfire and a forge

3) Its primary attack inflicts burning damage, its secondary attack is a projectile, and its tertiary attack can be used to harvest basically any resource.

then his weight must be balanced somehow.

[Garick]

So what? lol

 

So YOU are supposed to be the one to carry the weight... your ACTUAL riding dino should be carrying the weight. It is a bird, a forge, a cook stove. If it can carry everything, cook it, smelt it, and do everything then you should just stick to a quetz with forges, stoves and other things on its back cause those CAN carry tons.

[Housatonic]

11 minutes ago, Garick said:

So what? lol

 

So YOU are supposed to be the one to carry the weight... your ACTUAL riding dino should be carrying the weight. It is a bird, a forge, a cook stove. If it can carry everything, cook it, smelt it, and do everything then you should just stick to a quetz with forges, stoves and other things on its back cause those CAN carry tons.

So an animal is not worth having in the game if it doesn't make another animal obsolete?
Different uses, different choices, different styles, it's a good thing to not just take the same mount out for every single thing you do, and to not see everyone else on that same single mount.

It should be illegal to post within one hour of waking up. Totally misread that!

[Garick]

Again, My point exactly. If the bird can do all that a quetz without the risk of losing those materials and be able to burn things alive while it easily escapes.. It WILL become the only mount just like quetz used to be.. like how wyverns and gigas are now. 

 

With the Quetz you must build those things ontop of it, it CAN carry all that weight. Whereas the phoenix in its original form would BE those things and on top of that provide a solid fearful defense of fire and burning to anyone who might get near (Like people who try to club you) Instead due to the tears it has become a burning tera that can smelt, cook and make gas while pooping pearls.

[LameoveR]

i don't say make it carry 2000 weight.

but 225lvl phoenix with 92 weight? no, thanks.

https://snag.gy/6pw1kI.jpg

 

[Splinteryourjaw]

3 hours ago, ciabattaroll said:

The OP of that thread's clearly crying about things without even trying it, evidenced by not knowing that the phoenix is even rideable. Anyway, here's some information about the phoenix

1) It is rideable.

2) It works as a campfire and a forge, meaning it will cook meat and refine metal/oil+hide into ingots/gasoline.

3) Its primary attack inflicts burning damage, its secondary attack is a projectile, and its tertiary attack can be used to harvest basically any resource.

4) It has a boost flight activated by pressing space (default settings).

5) It poops pearls.

6) By design, it does not land nor does it need to land. If you wish to regenerate your stamina all you need to do is stop moving. You do not even need to dismount for the phoenix to begin regaining stamina.

7) stam/energy comes from feeding it sulfur

[10,000 Jelly Doughnuts]

11 hours ago, ciabattaroll said:

The OP of that thread's clearly crying about things without even trying it, evidenced by not knowing that the phoenix is even rideable. Anyway, here's some information about the phoenix

1) It is rideable.

2) It works as a campfire and a forge, meaning it will cook meat and refine metal/oil+hide into ingots/gasoline.

3) Its primary attack inflicts burning damage, its secondary attack is a projectile, and its tertiary attack can be used to harvest basically any resource.

4) It has a boost flight activated by pressing space (default settings).

5) It poops pearls.

6) By design, it does not land nor does it need to land. If you wish to regenerate your stamina all you need to do is stop moving. You do not even need to dismount for the phoenix to begin regaining stamina.

But it cannot create charcoal AFAIK

[ciabattaroll]

2 hours ago, 10,000 Jelly Doughnuts said:

But it cannot create charcoal AFAIK

That's because charcoal is more the effect of wood being used to create fire than it is the ability of the campfire/forge/cooking pot. This is easiest seen when you light up a campfire using a stack of sparkpowder then put in wood. The wood won't turn into charcoal until it goes through that stack of sparkpowder first.

[10,000 Jelly Doughnuts]

Just now, ciabattaroll said:

That's because charcoal is more the effect of wood being used to create fire than it is the ability of the campfire/forge/cooking pot. This is easiest seen when you light up a campfire using a stack of sparkpowder then put in wood. The wood won't turn into charcoal until it goes through that stack of sparkpowder first.

Still an (Industrial) forge can make charcoal, so it is not just a by product of being used for fuel. 

[AshRid]

13 hours ago, 10,000 Jelly Doughnuts said:

But it cannot create charcoal AFAIK

 

Lets be honest if it produced charcoal it's low weight stat would be an even _bigger_ issue!

[Fealthion]

57 minutes ago, AshRid said:

 

Lets be honest if it produced charcoal it's low weight stat would be an even _bigger_ issue!

Do not disparage the holy charcoal!

[Scipizoa]

so,  its refining forge ability,  anyone manage to get it to work???  i have meats and metal in its inventory and its not doing anything

[10,000 Jelly Doughnuts]

10 hours ago, AshRid said:

 

Lets be honest if it produced charcoal it's low weight stat would be an even _bigger_ issue!

But still. I want to get charcoal 

[LameoveR]

Phoenix been buffed and now overpowered more than wyvs and griffin.

Well done again, WC!

You know how to draw great models and make great maps. You have great scenarists and artists to make great TRAILERS!

But really, you can't implement new things INGAME without raptorups in a first place. Sorry.