Cacharoes Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 While the Offline Raiding Protection for PVE is nice there does seem to be issues with it, which I think maybe have been caused by the hasty implementation of a PVP feature to a PVE environment which is handled differently. ORP Removes pin codes from containers on the server which causes a great deal of issues on a PVE server where we collaborate quite a bit and being able to access other containers is very important. We have various public or alliance spaces which now do not work anymore because unless the owner is online no one can access them as not even an unlocked container is accessible when protection has engaged. It has really destroyed a lot of the ability to collaborate with ones alliance members. One thing I know many from our official server have been wanting for both convenience and especially now with the implementation of ORP is that option to allow Alliance Access to a door or container. A feature that I envision would work by having an option on the Radial menu when interacting with an object to access the "Alliance Sharing" option. When in that new sub-menu you would find the various alliances you are in and be able to enable access for specific alliances to that door or container, So that those trusted with access can maintain and use it. A Small Text Example. Alliance Sharing > Alliance A On, Alliance B Off, Alliance C Off, Alliance D On. If we were able to have Alliance Sharing it would allow having access to containers or doors by allies while still keeping ones base and belongings safe as ORP intends. Since the sharing option would be per object and voluntary the individual would only be risking what they thought was worth risking and if you are giving alliance access to something then I would expect you to know who you are dealing with already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tattare Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 yea it hurts not being able to use the alliance tek rep or access any of the community vaults. I haven't checked the alliance feeding troughs we have scattered around red obi to feed boss fight rexs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostabeere Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Why are they even making ORP for PvE? Like...Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacharoes Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 The ORP prevents those who want to destroy others bases and steal their stuff from doing so. On Scorched earth we had a guy kite a rock elemental and Destroy a Tek Replicator and stole its contents while we were offline. We had to make adjustments to our base afterwards to prevent that from occurring again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostabeere Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Cacharoes said: The ORP prevents those who want to destroy others bases and steal their stuff from doing so. On Scorched earth we had a guy kite a rock elemental and Destroy a Tek Replicator and stole its contents while we were offline. We had to make adjustments to our base afterwards to prevent that from occurring again. I know what ORP does. But on PvE you cannot raid someone, destroying his base and stealing his stuff. That's why I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacharoes Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 Yes you can raid someone in PVE. It is not as straight forward as on PVP but it can be done, you just have to learn what you can and cannot do in PVE. As I said we had a guy use a rock elemental to break into our base and steal TEK components and other resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zad Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 ORP in its current state is just another change that will add to server strain. First they add the tribe dino cap, which severely limited tribe size. Resulting in less tribes and more individual players (all of which needing a bunch of egger dinos, rather than sharing within a tribe). Now they limit the ability of tribes to share resources with other tribes by removing pin codes. This will just mean more individual player structures rather than shared, leading to more server strain. I don't get it. Either make unlock work while offline, give us back pincodes; or preferably as Cacharoes laid out, let alliances have access. Otherwise, ORP is going to make over-crowded servers even more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacharoes Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jostabeere said: I know what ORP does. But on PvE you cannot raid someone, destroying his base and stealing his stuff. That's why I'm confused. Yes you can raid someone in PVE. It is not as straight forward as on PVP but it can be done, you just have to learn what you can and cannot do in PVE. As I said we had a guy use a rock elemental to break into our base and steal TEK components and other resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostabeere Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Cacharoes said: Yes you can raid someone in PVE. It is not as straight forward as on PVP but it can be done, you just have to learn what you can and cannot do in PVE. As I said we had a guy use a rock elemental to break into our base and steal TEK components and other resources. But that's not raiding per se. So does ORP prevent anything from smashing your stuff, including wild dinos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacharoes Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 Just now, Jostabeere said: But that's not raiding per se. So does ORP prevent anything from smashing your stuff, including wild dinos? When no one in your Tribe is online all structures, animals, and members become invulnerable and cannot be harmed by any source of damage be it other players or wild animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrist14 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jostabeere said: But that's not raiding per se. So does ORP prevent anything from smashing your stuff, including wild dinos? As the WC staff member said in the other PVE ORP thread, it was implemented to stop griefing by kiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacharoes Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Harrist14 said: As the WC staff member said in the other PVE ORP thread, it was implemented to stop griefing by kiting. Yeah I figured they did it to combat kiting, I just think they did not think through the consequences of how it works for PVP and how PVE works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowNova Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 All the public bases we have set up on our server to help new players, help metal farmers use the public forge and different crafting stations are now useless except for the owner. All the work we out into making these large nice looking bases to help people are pointless. What's the sense in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zad Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, Cacharoes said: When no one in your Tribe is online all structures, animals, and members become invulnerable and cannot be harmed by any source of damage be it other players or wild animals. And this is already being used to troll... People are using their tamed dinos to block spawns, doors, etc. Sigh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostabeere Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, Harrist14 said: As the WC staff member said in the other PVE ORP thread, it was implemented to stop griefing by kiting. 12 minutes ago, Cacharoes said: When no one in your Tribe is online all structures, animals, and members become invulnerable and cannot be harmed by any source of damage be it other players or wild animals. Got it. I didn't know ORP defends you from wildlife aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacharoes Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, JonSnowNova said: All the public bases we have set up on our server to help new players, help metal farmers use the public forge and different crafting stations are now useless except for the owner. All the work we out into making these large nice looking bases to help people are pointless. What's the sense in this? I understand why they did it, I think they overlooked that fact that in PVE we have shared spaces which now do not work anymore, and people are already finding new ways to mess with peoples bases. 1 minute ago, Jostabeere said: Got it. I didn't know ORP defends you from wildlife aswell. Well in PVE using wild animals is how you raid someone, using a Giganotosaurus, Titanosaur, or Elemental to destroy someones things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So now that community use structures have been Nullified this just going to cause more players building on spawn and more griefing . And player will just wait until players are online and kite or just use the ORP mechanical to grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredFlinstoner Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Say I leave a rex on aggressive and let it loose it can't die if I log off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrist14 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Jostabeere said: Got it. I didn't know ORP defends you from wildlife aswell. Indeed it does. A PVP server I play on has ORP and I've sat and watched wild dinos attacking ORP'd tames and they just attack for a while then give up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulta Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, FredFlinstoner said: Say I leave a rex on aggressive and let it loose it can't die if I log off? No it can still get killed by wild dinos. If ORP hasn't changed since I last used it, it makes a bubble around your base. Anything in the bubble is fine. That Rex is in the wild now and thus vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredFlinstoner Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ulta said: No it can still get killed by wild dinos. If ORP hasn't changed since I last used it, it makes a bubble around your base. Anything in the bubble is fine. That Rex is in the wild now and thus vulnerable. What if I had something with platform with a mobile base put on it and had the rex on follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulta Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, FredFlinstoner said: What if I had something with platform with a mobile base put on it and had the rex on follow. Still would not work. The ORP field is generated by a device you put down, and I don't believe it can be placed on platform saddles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ulta said: Still would not work. The ORP field is generated by a device you put down, and I don't believe it can be placed on platform saddles. not on official servers that's a mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 on official servers we have argie in the air on the other side of the map away from players bases protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredFlinstoner Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ax said: on official servers we have argie in the air on the other side of the map away from players bases protected. So no device for officials? Its map wide protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.