Xxtheclashxx Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 With the recent update that had changed the game with the speed to the Flyers why was the thorny dragon and the Beaver weight nerfed? Doedicurus now holds a godless amount of stone which is cool, but now it's more difficult to get wood than it ever has been. Before it was hard to get stone now it's hard to get wood. I don't want any flaming but why do this? To keep the building to grind? This didn't change anything for making building structures. It's still the same. Only now it's hard to get wood. Before a stack of 100 wood weighed 10 lbs. Now it's 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeta Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 They changed the Beaver so it now 50% of the wood weight is taken into account. I guess it's because the Doed is much more of a single use dino than the Beaver. All it does is collect stone whereas the Beaver collects wood, thatch, berries AND is a smithy. I wouldn't say it's difficult to get wood now. Just not as easy as it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ciabattaroll Posted April 30, 2017 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted April 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, Xxtheclashxx said: With the recent update that had changed the game with the speed to the Flyers why was the thorny dragon and the Beaver weight nerfed? Doedicurus now holds a godless amount of stone which is cool, but now it's more difficult to get wood than it ever has been. Before it was hard to get stone now it's hard to get wood. I don't want any flaming but why do this? To keep the building to grind? This didn't change anything for making building structures. It's still the same. Only now it's hard to get wood. Before a stack of 100 wood weighed 10 lbs. Now it's 25. It's in the patch notes. - Beaver and Thorny Dragon now adjusted to 50% reduction for resource-weight (they do a few) due to being a jack of all trades, as opposed to specialising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 They made the Mammoth the primary wood gatherer. Beaver is more of a Jack-of-all-trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brayn Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Mammoth is just as good as beaver/thorny used to be for wood, but it gets 0 thatch redux, which quickly adds up. Thorny/beaver also used to be 80% for thatch and fiber, now 50%, which given the lower weight on those dinos, also adds up, especially when crafting high end BPs. IMO if they gave thatch redux to mammoth and also fixed the god awful tusks getting stuck on the theri when set to follow low or lowest it'd be just as good as beaver/thorny were. Beaver/Thorny are now pretty useless and relegated to early game tames that quickly become obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostabeere Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Change your mindset and start using different dinos, which are sometimes better as the obvious choice. -Mammoth -Therizinosaurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smash Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 51 minutes ago, Brayn said: Mammoth is just as good as beaver/thorny used to be for wood, but it gets 0 thatch redux, which quickly adds up. Thorny/beaver also used to be 80% for thatch and fiber, now 50%, which given the lower weight on those dinos, also adds up, especially when crafting high end BPs. IMO if they gave thatch redux to mammoth and also fixed the god awful tusks getting stuck on the theri when set to follow low or lowest it'd be just as good as beaver/thorny were. Beaver/Thorny are now pretty useless and relegated to early game tames that quickly become obsolete. I still won't even attempt to make behemoth gate fences without a good beaver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwishPapaSweets Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Its only obsolete if you think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator Captnmorgan Posted May 2, 2017 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted May 2, 2017 Beaver is still a mobile smithy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putyte Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Get a quetz and get Therizino. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ep1cM0nk3y Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 On Sun Apr 30 2017 at 10:58 PM, Brayn said: Mammoth is just as good as beaver/thorny used to be for wood, but it gets 0 thatch redux, which quickly adds up. Thorny/beaver also used to be 80% for thatch and fiber, now 50%, which given the lower weight on those dinos, also adds up, especially when crafting high end BPs. IMO if they gave thatch redux to mammoth and also fixed the god awful tusks getting stuck on the theri when set to follow low or lowest it'd be just as good as beaver/thorny were. Beaver/Thorny are now pretty useless and relegated to early game tames that quickly become obsolete. Mammoth also has 200 more base weight over the beaver.. which adds up... see what I did there, think of solutions, not problems.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyB Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 On 01/05/2017 at 0:06 AM, Xxtheclashxx said: With the recent update that had changed the game with the speed to the Flyers why was the thorny dragon and the Beaver weight nerfed? Doedicurus now holds a godless amount of stone which is cool, but now it's more difficult to get wood than it ever has been. Before it was hard to get stone now it's hard to get wood. I don't want any flaming but why do this? To keep the building to grind? This didn't change anything for making building structures. It's still the same. Only now it's hard to get wood. Before a stack of 100 wood weighed 10 lbs. Now it's 25. Mammoth for wood the thing is a beast with the weight reduction plus it has more weight and is stronger than a beaver. Just use Beavers as mobile smithy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inferna1Entity Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I actually use a Mantis to gather wood (and almost everything else). With 300 melee, 1600 weight, and good tools a Mantis can gather faster than others. I fill a vault full of wood in under 5 min. Official server weekday. Would not consider wood gathering hard. Can't wait to breed my mantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ep1cM0nk3y Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Inferna1Entity said: I actually use a Mantis to gather wood (and almost everything else). With 300 melee, 1600 weight, and good tools a Mantis can gather faster than others. I fill a vault full of wood in under 5 min. Official server weekday. Would not consider wood gathering hard. Can't wait to breed my mantis. I heart my mantis.. the speed that you can harvest is awesome, plus you eff anything wild in your way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inferna1Entity Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Oh, can't wait for bug breeding. Ever since breeding came out, I wanted baby scorpion. Now I want baby Mantis! 100% imprinted Mantis! Oh, I'm getting chills just imaging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruvas78 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I still use the beaver for wood (our mammoth is at our second base and too far away for me to be bothered :D) It's still better than a hatchet. Also, if you're ever out on a meat run with a rex or Giga, stop at any beaver dams you see. There may not be any CP/pearls, but you know some ***hole has left ALL the wood in there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brayn Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 On 5/2/2017 at 8:17 AM, Ep1cM0nk3y said: Mammoth also has 200 more base weight over the beaver.. which adds up... see what I did there, think of solutions, not problems.. ... The 200 more base weight makes up for the 5% loss in wood weight reduction that thorny's and beavers had before the nerf. As I said in my post, the mammoth is as good as a thorny/beaver used to be except for the hit it takes by not having thatch reduction. My statement took into account the higher weight potential of the mammoth. If mammoth had thatch redux it'd be on par with pre-nerf thorny/beaver. Without it, it's only slightly worse than the pre-nerf thorny/beaver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brayn Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 On 5/2/2017 at 2:25 PM, Bruvas78 said: I still use the beaver for wood (our mammoth is at our second base and too far away for me to be bothered :D) It's still better than a hatchet. Also, if you're ever out on a meat run with a rex or Giga, stop at any beaver dams you see. There may not be any CP/pearls, but you know some ***hole has left ALL the wood in there.... Hey, as a noob, I would gather all the hide and fiber I could and then go beaver dam to beaver dam making rafts with that wood in order to level up. It has its uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin1984 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I still use the beaver, even at high level. my beaver has 1k weight so can easily get 3k wood and it's waaaaay faster than a mammoth, my doedi can gather about 6k stone so this fits nicely for building (you only need half the wood ), i don't really bother with thatch on a beaver since i have Rudolph (my male deer) which gathers thatch as a master I call these 3 my building team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ep1cM0nk3y Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Brayn said: ... The 200 more base weight makes up for the 5% loss in wood weight reduction that thorny's and beavers had before the nerf. As I said in my post, the mammoth is as good as a thorny/beaver used to be except for the hit it takes by not having thatch reduction. My statement took into account the higher weight potential of the mammoth. If mammoth had thatch redux it'd be on par with pre-nerf thorny/beaver. Without it, it's only slightly worse than the pre-nerf thorny/beaver. Thatch weighs what? 5 units a stack? Beaver cuts that to 2.5 units.. wood weighs 50 units per stack, so 25u for beaver and 12.5u for mammoth.. mammoth would still hold more overall so is still a superior for wood thatch gather not including the speed of gather into equation.. 1 stack of each (wood/thatch) would weigh 27.5u for beaver and 17.5 for mammoth.. aannnddd mammoth has that higher base weight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin1984 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ep1cM0nk3y said: Thatch weighs what? 5 units a stack? Beaver cuts that to 2.5 units.. wood weighs 50 units per stack, so 25u for beaver and 12.5u for mammoth.. mammoth would still hold more overall so is still a superior for wood thatch gather not including the speed of gather into equation.. 1 stack of each (wood/thatch) would weigh 27.5u for beaver and 17.5 for mammoth.. aannnddd mammoth has that higher base weight.. aaaaand the beaver moves a LOT faster (not to mention swim as i live on a small island on the center ), and for pvp purposes, a beaver can be in a 2x2x2 garage together with a doedi, so easy to hide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ep1cM0nk3y Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, Griffin1984 said: aaaaand the beaver moves a LOT faster (not to mention swim as i live on a small island on the center ), and for pvp purposes, a beaver can be in a 2x2x2 garage together with a doedi, so easy to hide I already mentioned the speed issue, which wasn't a part of your first point, which I showed to be incorrect.. I play pvp.. not hard to have a mammoth, they also get goodies like mushrooms, and if you already have rex/spino/bronto/etc you should have room for them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin1984 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ep1cM0nk3y said: I already mentioned the speed issue, which wasn't a part of your first point, which I showed to be incorrect.. I play pvp.. not hard to have a mammoth, they also get goodies like mushrooms, and if you already have rex/spino/bronto/etc you should have room for them.. you mentioned gather speed, i mentioned movement speed lol. A mammoth is great but the thread is about someone saying beavers are useless now, just wanted to highlight the pro's on the beaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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