Jump to content

re-balance The long Await Flyer Re-balance is finally here, what are your thoughts on it?


Bolty

Recommended Posts

4 minutes ago, BobRoss said:

Jat told us the dossiers will get a pass before release

lol that's rather worrying considering how much they stuffed up this nerf seriously what a joke....... what was it "we do one big nerf so players are only angry at the changes once then we buff them back to there correct place" More like you destroy half the fun in the game and nerf flyers so hard that you break your own game for 2 weeks yer i'm still waiting.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 895
  • Created
  • Last Reply
1 minute ago, Unseen said:

lol that's rather worrying considering how much they stuffed up this nerf seriously what a joke....... what was it "we do one big nerf so players are only angry at the changes once then we buff them back to there correct place" More like you destroy half the fun in the game and nerf flyers so hard that you break your own game for 2 weeks yer i'm still waiting.

i have played the game it isnt broken , yes they overdid it with the nerf and they explained their reasoning behind it, yes they should have told us this before the nerf and not after, but they didnt so live with it. what else do you want? fliers will be buffed the next weeks/months until they are where the devs and players both agree they should be.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5k+ HP, 2k+ stamina, 1000 weight, 1000% (!) melee bred and imprinted Argents are beyond good and evil. With rider's buff they do 325 raw damage per hit and can attack quite often. If needed be they can easily be specced into HP or weight depending on what you need them for.

Pteras are fast. Dont think of it as battle mounts - they are Great for moving around and scouting now.

Quetz - i dont understand all complaints about new stamina. A high level quetz has 2k+ stamina base and that is enough for long distance travelling. They are not meant to be fast or strong. Ankys getting reduction to effective weight of raw metal re-enables quetz farming thingy (a decision that i personally dont approve, but w/e).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Bolty said:

The long awaited flyer nerf re-balance update is finally here.

I Think argy and ptera feels little better, but in my opinion they are still not at a point we can call them balanced.

As far as wyvern go u can see on spreadsheet there are some very tiny change, but when it comes to ingame there is hardly any difference or so little that it does not make much(Any) of a difference. they still feels clunky, slow and runs out of stam in no time and regen is slow too. again its my opinion.

I think they should add imprinting speed bonus at-least to wyverns, so if you work hard on imprints you get rewarded with decent speed.

quatz stam feels near to right spot just little bit more will put it to a balanced place, but there speed still feels very slow for my taste.

And i like the they finally implemented the ground attack on flyers so they just dont have to sit there while other dinos chew there butt.

So what do you guys think of this patch hate it, like it or 1 step in right direction?

I hope they dont leave it like it is for a month now, this needs lot of work to be done and in fast time. again my personal opinion.

And they should allow players 1 time re-lvl the stats on the flyers after the balancing is done. and at-least announce it that they are going to do it at some point, so all our current leveled flyers dont go to waste. In which have ppl put 100s of hrs to get and lvl them.

The good news is after all those people were lying about wildcard not listening, they proved those people wrong. Some people won't be happy with anything but a total revert. I guess we will see who the selfish ones are soon

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, invincibleqc said:

Steal $100 from me and give me back $5 and I would still breaks you legs. It is better, sure. But not at its best yet! I'm more disappointed by the imprinted speed than anything else.

Exactly, as I've said before their approach to balance is cutting off your hand and giving you back a pinkie....

Funny thing is some people will be so happy to have a pinkie they forget they used to have a whole hand at all...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Taiine said:

It's useless. The update is a damn joke.

At the time my 7th gen quetz on a HARDCORE PVP official server is out right useless. It don't even have the stam to fly to our allis base that's right across the river from us with out needing to land first! This so called update isn't going to be changing that very much at all.

The flyers stam drain is far to large, and it's not changing with the next coming patch. There giving us some base stam but people have already done the math and it'll hardly be noticeable. Woohoo I get a few extra wing flaps before I need to land and sit for a while as stam regens.

It got bad on the server when one tribe had to bring their flyers on the back of a darn BRONTO to get them to a raid as it was faster than flying, then ended up not using them because there stam drain is to much and their speed makes them sitting ducks for snipers. Plus their weight can hardly hold the rider all geared up let alone anyone they some how manage to pluck.

Hell, most of us can run on foot faster and further than our flyers can fly. Most of us were just getting around on Thylo's as they can run faster and further, can scale walls and take little fall damage.

So when is the nerf to land dinos and their ability to just keep going like crazy? Or the nerf to player move speed?

Anyone who QQ's over flyers are likely the people that sucked at PVP. We use to use flyers to support our land troops. Our Rex's, our Gigas, our titan in one raid we marched along to take out the alpha tribe at the time. Land battles, air battles, people setting up turret towers, people on foot in ghilly trying to sneek past enemy lines. Don't see where WildCard think's people are living on their darn flyers.. No one is.

But now even with the upcoming buff flyers are still going to be useless, the 'rolls' they are offering are pointless. They will still have too high of a stam drain, there speed is going to make them easy targets, and my quetz even with the weight boost there giving it is still not going to be able to hit the metal spawns with out wasting so much darn time being a sitting duck as it has to keep sitting there to get stam back after a short hop.

Know what is sad? When our allies can chain 5 ankys on follow together and make it to the metal nodes ON FOOT before our quetz + anky can even make it.

How is any of this 'balanced'?

 

Our server died a few days after the patch hit. NO ONE was happy about it. After some general chat with those that didn't out right quit at first we all pretty much agreed to switch to Conan Exiles as it was better than what WildCard was offering us. A tribe found a low pop Conan pvp server and the rest all flooded to it, making it a high pop overnight. I went back to the ark server the other night and it showed 2 players on it.. What use to be a high pop hardcore pvp server is now a ghost town, and no these up coming changes after people were doing the math on it, would not bring anyone back, as these changes are not enough.

So there giving us a little base stam back, and allowing quetz to have weight again.

But the stam drain is unchanged, you will still only be able to do short hops on flyers., there speed is still going to make them a sitting duck. Know your petra's? There nearly unchanged, the patch is hardly touching them. So that gives you an idea of what will be coming.

 

It's a joke.

That's the point. Any changes will be very small. Even the next one. If you are just trying to wait and see how things go then I am worried you will be disappointed. There is no chance of a revert now. They have already spent a lot of time fixing it and they will spend even more time on it. Bringing the revert chance to 0%

i know there will be one more small buff but hopefully that's it

Link to comment
Share on other sites

"i have played the game it isnt broken , yes they overdid it with the nerf and they explained their reasoning behind it, yes they should have told us this before the nerf and not after, but they didnt so live with it. what else do you want? fliers will be buffed the next weeks/months until they are where the devs and players both agree they should be."

ummm maybe for WC to be vaguely competent and not do it again in one month with all land dinos like whats the play half the damage and HP & stam and see how things go... like hello WC is incompetence amplified like there is a list of failure that has no end lol 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Robersdee said:

What do I think?

I think WC keeps locking the megathreads so they lose visibility and refuse to acknowledge the fact they made a mistake, its sheer arrogance. I think one of the mods openly admitted in 30 days the steam rating wouldn't matter so "ha ha". I think this is a goddamn joke. I think there's several prominent shills on here stalking users and posts and instantly replying to negative posts.

The fliers are pretty much the same, oh, they can attack on the ground thats nice! (also should have been there since fliers implementation)

My Wyvern, Lord of the Skies! spends most of the time on the ground because of stamina, You know I spent 4 real life days raising this dino right? Now it just sits in my base. <slow clap wildcard>

It's ok though because I can paint vaults......

Loads of updates to the UI!, unfortunately there were all fixes for the sesame street user interface. Ascendant items are still BLUE ON BLUE it's almost becoming funny how inept the devs are. 

A few game devs made huge mistakes the community hated in the past. Any developer worth their salt apologised, accepted they made a mistake and fixed it. They fixed the nonsense or the game died. It's laughable that WC are just accepting that its hated by the majority and losing players everyday.

They have a mod that reverses the flying changes which in  only 4 days has nearly 45 thousand downloads/subscribers.  Hell even a game journalist from PCGamer.com was advertising the mod reversing the changes.

Thats when you know you've done something wrong, and need to fix it. Not with small buffs, not with tiny little updates. 

Wake me up when your on Flyers V20, or when you've admitted your wrong and actually listen to your community/players

45 thousand, lmao. 

 

I get where you are coming from but hopefully you can also see that with them putting time into the buffs, everything will not go back to the way it was, regardless of player count. The was only possible in the beginning but now that construction has started they won't waste the time they already spent on the buffs

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Quote

My Wyvern, Lord of the Skies! spends most of the time on the ground because of stamina, You know I spent 4 real life days raising this dino right? Now it just sits in my base. <slow clap wildcard>

you know you can pump points into stamina right after giving my ptera and quetz points into stam I can actually fly pretty far without having to land.. yes its slow as hell but still

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Volcano637 said:

I get where you are coming from but hopefully you can also see that with them putting time into the buffs, everything will not go back to the way it was, regardless of player count. The was only possible in the beginning but now that construction has started they won't waste the time they already spent on the buffs

Funny you say that, I think the time put in by players to obtain their perfect breeds, tames etc will equate to a lot more time than they spent on developing these buffs/ fixes would you not agree?

Who has the more valuable time?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Robersdee said:

Exactly, so you're essentially saying that the review bomb on April 1st will no longer be seen after 30 days, people SHOULD see it. People should know what the game is like lately instead of steam reviews from people with less than 15 hours because you put the game on sale for buttons and string because you knew this update would upset, literally, your entire user base.

45 thousand downloads in 4 days, I don't need to say any more.

You should probably bring that up with steam though. I think they are the ones that control their rating system 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, HippoZoned said:

you know you can pump points into stamina right after giving my ptera and quetz points into stam I can actually fly pretty far without having to land.. yes its slow as hell but still

I would but I didnt get any points back because I pumped all my points before into stamina and damage. The stamina got cut from 2.5k to 500 so all those points were a waste

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, GhostRSA said:

Funny you say that, I think the time put in by players to obtain their perfect breeds, tames etc will equate to a lot more time than they spent on developing these buffs/ fixes would you not agree?

No. We are playing/testing, they are creating and taking the time to do it. I would say theirs is more important right now

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, DeadlyxTwinky21 said:

I would but I didnt get any points back because I pumped all my points before into stamina and damage. The stamina got cut from 2.5k to 500 so all those points were a waste

see that I feel is where they messed up since they halved the stamina they should have gave people back every point they lost like they did with speed

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Volcano637 said:

No. We are playing/testing, they are creating and taking the time to do it. I would say theirs is more important right now

So, if we find in our testing that something is not right, and communicate that, very verbally in this case, they can still decide to ignore that? I see.... Ok so my users I service that test and "play" with the applications and solution I provide must be happy with what ever I decide suits their life, not the other way around? Customer is always right and I have to make it work does not apply anymore?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Lewiatan said:

Current rating is also important. It tells potential customer what is the game like now. If I had been about to buy this game and saw 48% user score, I wouldn't have bought it, because it would have been clear for me developer did or have been doing something that makes customers angry and frustrated. 

Also, when they are going to open another offical Rebalance Flyer nerf thread since the old one was closed?

Well luckily after this month is over the ratings will reset and by that time there will be another buff

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, HippoZoned said:

see that I feel is where they messed up since they halved the stamina they should have gave people back every point they lost like they did with speed

I think with any dino changes they should refund all the level points.  They may change something I never put points into, which might make me want to redistribute the points I did spend.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, GhostRSA said:

So, if we find in our testing that something is not right, and communicate that, very verbally in this case, they can still decide to ignore that? I see.... Ok so my users I service that test and "play" with the applications and solution I provide must be happy with what ever I decide suits their life, not the other way around? Customer is always right and I have to make it work does not apply anymore?

Ok but that in no way means it should change overnight. If people can't be patient then that is their own personal problem. 

If they want it bad enough they can wait for it

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, GhostRSA said:

So, if we find in our testing that something is not right, and communicate that, very verbally in this case, they can still decide to ignore that? I see.... Ok so my users I service that test and "play" with the applications and solution I provide must be happy with what ever I decide suits their life, not the other way around? Customer is always right and I have to make it work does not apply anymore?

Maybe you're not the customer they're aiming for? They make a Hello Kitty Island Adventure game that's not marketed towards me, but I don't think I should go to those devs and barrate them for not making their game mechanics fit how I want to play.

Imagine they never released this for early access - would you still be upset if a year from now they fully released it with the current fliers?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Currahee said:

Maybe you're not the customer they're aiming for? They make a Hello Kitty Island Adventure game that's not marketed towards me, but I don't think I should go to those devs and barrate them for not making their game mechanics fit how I want to play.

Imagine they never released this for early access - would you still be upset if a year from now they fully released it with the current fliers?

You will never know what it is to have something if you never had it before. So if the game was released this way as a final game people would have bought it, but I can almost guarantee you with the mod support it would not have been long before a speed mod was created or alternatively a patch further down the line to increase the speed would have been released by WC. The sheer size of the map and all that goes along with it will have sent it in that direction.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

People get used to fly for everything. Now they have to rely on others ways to do the same, they can't adapt. The fact that people only relied on flyers proves that this nerf is needed. Now the nerf is done, it brings a lot of good changes like :

" Therizinosaurus spawn weight and aggro ranged decreased "

Why it wasn't done before ? Because nobody walk in the jungle to see the danger of this dino. They made a whale which attacks rafts, nobody used raft because they prefered quetz.

More than 40k for the mod which reverts the nerf. After few weeks with balance like :

"Certain creatures now have special weight reductions for specific resources similar to the Beaver.
- Mammoth reduces weight of wood by 75%
- Ankylo reduces weight of raw metal by 75%
- Doed reduces weight of stone by 75%
- Beaver and Thorny Dragon now adjusted to 50% reduction for resource-weight (they do a few) due to being a jack of all trades, as opposed to specialising. "

only lazy people will keep the mod.

 

Overall rating is always the good one to look at. With this nerf, lot of good things will come. We just have to be patient. And the game will be more interesting !

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • GP locked this topic

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

×
×
  • Create New...