ezwrighter Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 On Official server, I have knocked out 3 150 rex in the last 2 days on SE and the pre-tame stats have all been completely garbage. Is there some 150 bug? The 145s seem pretty average, but much better than all the 150s. I have like 40 levels not used (speed?) on each of them. Could there be a 150 bug? Do I just have terrible luck? Mainly checking to see if anyone else has experienced this recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewcm Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'd still tame them and see what the post tame stats were on first waking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezwrighter Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, fewcm said: I'd still tame them and see what the post tame stats were on first waking up. I did that with the first 2...but still garbage. Hate just throwing away 33 eggs for stuff I end up just giving away. Not even a single stat worth keeping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewcm Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Bummer Sounds like bad luck. I dropped a 145 the other night that was completely avg. but tamed it anyway and got +44 in melee and +42 in weight. You never know I guess. Keep at it, goodluck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewcm Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 only have 1 lvl 150 and wasn't keeping track of stats at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalantyr Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Sounds just like bad luck. What sort of level are you hoping for pre-tame so we can give more feedback? On a perfect tame you will get around 70 odd levels (some are 73, etc). That is spread among the 7 stats so if maths plays a part, you'll get an average of +10 levels per stat. Anything around the L30 mark pre-tame is pretty decent. If you're aiming for L45 post-tame stats then you really need to be completely taming them. I had one the other day that was L8 in speed pre-tame. I got so excited, but the rest of the stats were spread right out, so nothing special. After I tamed it the dino ended up with L9 in speed. It only got ONE level in speed and ended up with L48 in weight, which is about a 1 in 720 chance. Looking at a dino pre-tame can give you a 'conservative' estimate but random number generators prove that anything can happen from there. It's a roll of the dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezwrighter Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Thalantyr said: Sounds just like bad luck. What sort of level are you hoping for pre-tame so we can give more feedback? On a perfect tame you will get around 70 odd levels (some are 73, etc). That is spread among the 7 stats so if maths plays a part, you'll get an average of +10 levels per stat. Anything around the L30 mark pre-tame is pretty decent. If you're aiming for L45 post-tame stats then you really need to be completely taming them. I had one the other day that was L8 in speed pre-tame. I got so excited, but the rest of the stats were spread right out, so nothing special. After I tamed it the dino ended up with L9 in speed. It only got ONE level in speed and ended up with L48 in weight, which is about a 1 in 720 chance. Looking at a dino pre-tame can give you a 'conservative' estimate but random number generators prove that anything can happen from there. It's a roll of the dice. See, now those are my experiences with 140+ dinos...but I am seeing across the board < L20 with maybe one stat popping above to L22 pretame for my 150s. That is just garbage! I am going to try and down a few more 150s this week and see if I get the same, but wanted to place this thread here in case anyone else is seeing specifically 150 tame issues on SE. BTW, had a 150 wolf that had 1000 HP (L16) and 180 MD too....just utter garbage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog1986 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 You have 71+ levels that can go just about anywhere with RNG. Pretame means very little considering that, if you get even 1/3rd of those bonus levels going into a single stat, you're going to be doing just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezwrighter Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, bulldog1986 said: You have 71+ levels that can go just about anywhere with RNG. Pretame means very little considering that, if you get even 1/3rd of those bonus levels going into a single stat, you're going to be doing just fine. You are missing my point...the dinos final stats are not really the issue. The issue is that on average a pretame 150 should have better stats than a 145...I am not seeing this and am curious if there is a bug or extremely bad luck. I understand how taming works and stats get applied for taming :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nim Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 It's not a bug, man. Bad luck. Level 112/116s and 140/145s have always had a reputation for getting a slightly better roll than the 120s and 150s. A pre-tame 150 should not necessarily have better stats on average than a 145, because as we all know the devs have been nerfing dinos left and right and condensing the the power difference between higher and lower levels of both wild and tamed dinos. It seems to be a common belief that because 150 is the highest, it should be the best. It's not entirely true. The only reason a 150 is definitely better than a lower level is because it starts out with more levels after taming with max taming effectiveness. The whole point of the RNG is that the points can go into anything. It's nothing more than bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezwrighter Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Nim said: It's not a bug, man. Bad luck. Level 112/116s and 140/145s have always had a reputation for getting a slightly better roll than the 120s and 150s. A pre-tame 150 should not necessarily have better stats on average than a 145, because as we all know the devs have been nerfing dinos left and right and condensing the the power difference between higher and lower levels of both wild and tamed dinos. It seems to be a common belief that because 150 is the highest, it should be the best. It's not entirely true. The only reason a 150 is definitely better than a lower level is because it starts out with more levels after taming with max taming effectiveness. The whole point of the RNG is that the points can go into anything. It's nothing more than bad luck. ok...well, my near term experience is documented somewhat here, so if others run into it, we can compare notes :-D I was assuming bad luck, but figured I would throw it out to the ark universe for more input. :-D Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffyPony Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I think it's just bad luck. Sometimes you win big (like my perfect-tame 150 Therizino with 32 levels in Melee), and sometimes you're my friend who got a 104 Rex with 22 levels in Food or a 60 Giga with 4 levels in Melee and 16 in Food. The stat distribution overall follow a bell curve, but obviously stuff can fall anywhere on that curve, so statistically, half the time you'll be on the "crap" side of it, and the other half you'll be on the "win" side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plex88 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 4 hours ago, ezwrighter said: On Official server, I have knocked out 3 150 rex in the last 2 days on SE and the pre-tame stats have all been completely garbage. Is there some 150 bug? The 145s seem pretty average, but much better than all the 150s. I have like 40 levels not used (speed?) on each of them. Could there be a 150 bug? Do I just have terrible luck? Mainly checking to see if anyone else has experienced this recently. I already tamed over 30 high lvl rexes and had none with really good hp / dmg stats. All under 40 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedonofdab710 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I generally find 140-145s have great stats compared to 150s. I also notice this with wyverns aswell. 180s-185s generally have way better stats and even lower levels get god rolls sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brayn Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Could be sample bias but 112/116s and 140/145s have always seemed to beat 120/150s. Having never formally kept track of the wheat versus the chaffe, I have seen some amazing 150s and horrible 145s, which is counter to the initial observation. I think what we see here is that 120/150s are pretty rare finds. I'd argue you find 4x as many 112/116 or 140/145 dinos than you do 120/150 dinos. There's just a larger pool to sample from in the non-max level world to know for sure that the max level dinos are bugged. My gut tells me there's a soft cap somewhere or some coding issue bugging out max level dino stats but I have no way of formally proving it. All that being said congratulate me, tamed out a 145 rex that stood up with 398% melee and 8k health. Some poo came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melcreif Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I tamed a level 135 Ank and it had 13K in food! Is that normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostabeere Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 22 hours ago, ezwrighter said: You are missing my point...the dinos final stats are not really the issue. The issue is that on average a pretame 150 should have better stats than a 145...I am not seeing this and am curious if there is a bug or extremely bad luck. I understand how taming works and stats get applied for taming :-D 150s have better stats tha 145s. They have 5 lvl-ups more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewcm Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 44 minutes ago, Melcreif said: I tamed a level 135 Ank and it had 13K in food! Is that normal? That would be +33 points in food, above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanyelxp5 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 For breeding purposes, you would actually want one that has a lot of "wasted" points. They don't do much, but they'll pad out your levels a bit more, which means higher torpor. Granted, you don't have to worry about things knocking your tames out most of the time, but every little bit helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemon Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I think it has more to do with the fact that there will be multiple 135, 140, 145 spawned for every one 150 spawned and that will mean more chances at a better roll for those lower levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 No problem here, 150's seem to be average most of the time for stuff tho, they won't always be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEonWAR Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 7 hours ago, Jostabeere said: 150s have better stats tha 145s. They have 5 lvl-ups more. lol, 5 lvl more. What abt stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braybrays Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 You shouldnt judge any dino on its Pre-tame stats mate. They don't mean anything nowadays. Sometime ago you could judge where the stats would go/what you should expect, but now that isn't the case. Scorp eggs aren't even difficult to obtain. Its a long process to get the best stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalantyr Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Braybrays said: You shouldnt judge any dino on its Pre-tame stats mate. They don't mean anything nowadays. Sometime ago you could judge where the stats would go/what you should expect, but now that isn't the case. Scorp eggs aren't even difficult to obtain. Its a long process to get the best stats. You probably shouldn't, but if you add maths/whatever into the equation then you should always have a better chance of getting a higher stat if you have a higher stat pre-tame. I agree, it's definitely not always the way and RNG will always play its part but we still need to remember that even random number generators have a degree of math / % chance to them. The other thing that we're missing here is that the devs MAY have easily just slipped any sort of formula in the background and it may not actually even be RNG. We would never know without seeing the source code, which will never happen. I'd be interested to hear their response on what formula they use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braybrays Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Just now, Thalantyr said: You probably shouldn't, but if you add maths/whatever into the equation then you should always have a better chance of getting a higher stat if you have a higher stat pre-tame. I agree, it's definitely not always the way and RNG will always play its part but we still need to remember that even random number generators have a degree of math / % chance to them. The other thing that we're missing here is that the devs MAY have easily just slipped any sort of formula in the background and it may not actually even be RNG. We would never know without seeing the source code, which will never happen. I'd be interested to hear their response on what formula they use. True that, however I find trying to rely on the stats even a little, can bring disappointment and annoyance to yourself, I personally can gauge how many points are where for certain dinos without even checking a calculator simply from taming/breeding enough of them, it is nice to see the stats NOT all-rounded. I feel the stats tend to have a higher chance of being crap, however that could just be my awful luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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