Jey123456 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Those were patches where a small bug was used as an excuse to ninja patch obviously untested and undiscussed changes. If you want to change balance do it in a proper patch which should come with actual testing (from the internal testers) and have time to be seen by all devs not just the one who ninjaed it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ciabattaroll Posted December 7, 2016 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Jey123456 said: Those were patches where a small bug was used as an excuse to ninja patch obviously untested and undiscussed changes. If you want to change balance do it in a proper patch which should come with actual testing (from the internal testers) and have time to be seen by all devs not just the one who ninjaed it in. I can assure you that it was discussed at great length and no programmer can just "ninja" things in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jey123456 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, ciabattaroll said: I can assure you that it was discussed at great length. then what was it doing in a small fix patch and not in an actual balance / content patch ? They werent the kind of changes that couldnt be announced before hand to give people warnings. and if it was discussed , how is it that the same change was changed 3 times within 2 days ? Those were balance changes that could / should have been in the 258 patch with at the very least its presence shown on patch announcement days. Before the vegi cake beef, sauropod health was no problem, and then the cake get beefed mysteriously, following patch the sauropods get nerfed to the ground. Those are all things that would have been pretty obvious in a discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer Moderator ciabattaroll Posted December 7, 2016 Volunteer Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2016 Just now, Jey123456 said: then what was it doing in a small fix patch and not in an actual balance / content patch ? They werent the kind of changes that couldnt be announced before hand to give people warnings. Wildcard, as it evolves through the development of ARK, ultimately decides what they deem a big or small version update. This is something that's easily reflected in the progression of patch notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jey123456 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 1 minute ago, ciabattaroll said: Wildcard, as it evolves through the development of ARK, ultimately decides what they deem a big or small version update. This is something that's easily reflected in the progression of patch notes. yes, and when that evolution happen to undo itself within less than a day and that initial change was made with no warnings, its a clear cut sign of lack of planning / discussions. I would love some insight in that discussions tho, considering you appear to have been here. 500 hp cakes were already more than enough to heal herbivores, why the beef ? 80k hp bronto were already pretty vulnerable in pvp and pve, why the nerf ? And then why did the vegicake beef get nerfed back immediatly after ? Those are all points that should have been part of that discussions before it even happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker86 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 9 minutes ago, ciabattaroll said: I can assure you that it was discussed at great length and no programmer can just "ninja" things in. Considering that the shop page promised heavy community interaction and everybody getting heared, can we ask Wildcard directly what the idea was behind nerfing sauropods? I mean, wasn't it enough to nerf the cake itself? And why do they even bother making balance adjustments at this point of the game? The balance is completely off, balancing the HP of two dinos in such a way feels like Syria discussing to raise the budget for infrastructure maintenance for 2017 by 0,8%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkAtlus Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 How about cakes don't heal, and we feed them berries as carnivores are fed meat, make the actual healing effect 50 perfect for a stack of berries as a stack of meat since berries are much easier to gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jey123456 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 so over a period of 3 days, we went from cakes giving 33hp / sec (500hp / 15sec), to 1550hp/sec (15500/10sec on 100k hp dino) then to 350hp/sec (3500 hp/10sec) then to 83hp/sec (2500/30sec). In the process brontos lost 30% of their hp per level bringing them even weaker on the balance than before when compared to other dinos of their tier (they were already inferior on all aspect to rex and spino, their one and only winning point was the ability to tank a bit more). That great length discussion must have been very interesting, did you guys discuss about the recent memes or something ? You certainly did not discuss the vegicake change considering how rushed and constantly changing they have been. Mostly anyone on the forum could have predicted the outcome from the first vegicake change, are you saying that those who handle content / balance discussions among the devs dont know about the game ? Those quick patch with no apparent thinking behind them are clear cut sign of ninja patching and lack of actual planning. Still, if a discussion did take place, please enlighten us, what did that discussions contain ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenGonzo Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 On 12/7/2016 at 0:12 PM, ArkAtlus said: How about cakes don't heal, and we feed them berries as carnivores are fed meat, make the actual healing effect 50 perfect for a stack of berries as a stack of meat since berries are much easier to gather. That wouldn't be balanced. A stack of raw meat is 20, a stack of berries is 100. You'd have to be clicking 5 times as much with herbivores to heal the same amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelantious Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, GoldenGonzo said: That wouldn't be balanced. A stack of raw meat is 20, a stack of berries is 100. You'd have to be clicking 5 times as much with herbivores to heal the same amount. Doubt anyone is manually clicking with all the macros and auto/turbo click programs around..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jey123456 Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 So who do we need to tag to get insights on that great length discussion about those quick and successive / obviously unplanned changes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrekasaurus Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 On 12/7/2016 at 0:13 AM, Joker86 said: Considering that the shop page promised heavy community interaction and everybody getting heared, can we ask Wildcard directly what the idea was behind nerfing sauropods? I mean, wasn't it enough to nerf the cake itself? And why do they even bother making balance adjustments at this point of the game? The balance is completely off, balancing the HP of two dinos in such a way feels like Syria discussing to raise the budget for infrastructure maintenance for 2017 by 0,8%. Good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smash Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 On 07/12/2016 at 6:51 PM, Jey123456 said: Those were patches where a small bug was used as an excuse to ninja patch obviously untested and undiscussed changes. If you want to change balance do it in a proper patch which should come with actual testing (from the internal testers) and have time to be seen by all devs not just the one who ninjaed it in. It's early access, we are testers................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jey123456 Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 11 hours ago, Smash said: It's early access, we are testers................ There are also internal testers, there used to be a form on the website to recruit them, but i assume they have enough for now. They also have internal test servers on which the patch are done and tested on before they reach us. Altho something tells me this wasnt used for those patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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